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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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hi basically i bought a series 2 and it was missing the ecu and few little bits. got an ecu but it runs really rich and hardly starts, when it does start it chucks out loads of black smoke and can smell the petrol. Is there any way i can adjust the fuel? have tried adjusting metering unit but no good. When i disconnect the petrol pump it runs lovely for those couple of seconds so its gotta be the fueling. anyone help?
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Old Apr 16, 2007 | 10:46 PM
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you tried unplugging the cold start injector (the blue one)?? Ive had this jam open before when i had rst's in the past.
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Old Apr 17, 2007 | 12:06 AM
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You may well find your metering head is knackered, i had one that overfuelled on one cylinder. See if you can get the emissions down but if its reading eratically you could well need a new metering unit.

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you tried unplugging the cold start injector (the blue one)?? Ive had this jam open before when i had rst's in the past.
The cold start injector only operates when the key is held in the cranking position, so unplugging it wont make a difference because it doesnt spray fuel once the engine is running. And if its stuck open it will be because its knackered internally, not an electrical fault.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 07:10 PM
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have you put the correct wires to the correct sensers on the back of the inlet
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 05:53 PM
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I have tried swappig the connecters around but still no joy, i bet it is something silly but dont know what!
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Old Apr 20, 2007 | 09:14 PM
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Check you have all the wires connected on the battery, if you leave the small thin wires off they run like poo
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 08:22 AM
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yea checked that too. if i stop the fuel pump the engine runs as it should ror that 1 second so its definatly fuel prob
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 11:14 AM
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you can adjust the fuel fressure on the fuel pressure regulator but i wouldnt attempt this unless you have some way of measuring co... you will likely melt the engine on boost if you do~!
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Old Apr 21, 2007 | 04:40 PM
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Hi,

The s2 fitted with mfi, does not have a adjustable fuel regulator as efi,
the fuel pressure can be played with through the fuel pressure actuator
connected to the metering unit, could be cold start valve or thermo time switch that runs the cold start valve, fuel pressure related which you need some decent kit to test primary and differential pressure hot and cold test, for KE system,
to see what is at fault ie regulator/ fuel pressure actuator/ metering unit(fuel distributor)
you could also have a bad coolant temp sensor which tells the ecu one of the ecu's what temp the engine is and it uses this as info for running the engine, loads of things really, you need someone who knows the system,
to check it out,

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Old Apr 25, 2007 | 09:46 PM
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bump! still no luck
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Old Apr 25, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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Have you tried another metering unit?
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 01:05 PM
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hi all
sounds like the same problem i had could get my car to keep running after it got run a little changed everything even the cam as i was running std cam on chipped ecu any way my motor was running rich and kicking out black smoke when under load and stunk of petrol like you i tried to sort out the over fueling was told to pull out the multi plugfrom the fuel pressure acuator whilst the car is running and it run fine no fuel smell no black smoke and it run fine give this a go and see if it works if it does you could need a new pressure acuator hope this helps.[/u]
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Old Apr 26, 2007 | 08:11 PM
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ah ile give that a go. forgive me for bein dunce but which one is the pressure actuater?
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Old Apr 27, 2007 | 11:05 AM
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Hi,

The fuel pressure actuator is on the side of the metering unit, some are
grey and some black,(small square box with electric plug attached)
unplug the connector, when the engine is warm the current is zero,
but you need it for full load enrichment ect, so if it does run ok, you need
to check the system is giving the correct ma, voltage from start enrichment, warm up,etc. it may just be you need a new actuator,or CTS,
Also check the hose from the metering unit to turbo is tight & check the air sensor plate is not sticking in its travel
Regards Dave R.
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 05:38 PM
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hi
Rite, i spoke to an old fella who has done a lot of work on rst's and he says he is almost certain its the metering unit as it was sat around for a year or so the O-rings dry up inside and just fcuk them up. I did already buy another one but i recon its got same problem. So now i am goin to take my mates off his car and try it so i know for sure. mission!
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 05:39 PM
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That would be EXTREMELY coincidental to buy another metering unit with the exact same fault..........
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 05:43 PM
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thats what i thought but if both units have been sat with no fuel in then they will have same prob. I will know for sure once ive tried my mates which runs fine
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 05:47 PM
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I used a metering unit which had been sat out in the rain for over a year and it worked, admittedly it overfuelled on one cylinder but the car started and ran!
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 06:20 PM
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lol your just lucky! well im gonna try me mates then i will know then. I dont know what else to try
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 06:28 PM
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Try it, got nothing to lose have ya.

Im not convinced myself but its worth a shot
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Old Apr 28, 2007 | 06:32 PM
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i will let you know
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Old May 3, 2007 | 08:51 PM
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could it be the ecu? I bought the car without one so could i have bought the wrong one? theres loads of different ones for the erst aint there?
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Old May 4, 2007 | 08:35 AM
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Unlikely, theres only 2 different fuel ECU's anyway
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look on the back of the inlet manifold and see if a yellow plug is connected or snapped sounds to me like the fueling plug is knackerd
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Old May 4, 2007 | 12:05 PM
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"fuelling plug" ??
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Old May 4, 2007 | 02:09 PM
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sorry not fueling plug cold start he he rushing at work at moment
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Old May 4, 2007 | 02:43 PM
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The cold start injector only sprays while cranking, it doesnt operate with the engine running.
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Old May 8, 2007 | 09:06 PM
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but surely not having the rite ignition ECU aint gonna help is it?
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Old May 9, 2007 | 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by stusfesta
but surely not having the rite ignition ECU aint gonna help is it?
the only real difference is the later ones require a knock sensor, they will work without one but the ignition curve is very flat due to massive retard, but its easy to bypass
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Old May 10, 2007 | 08:43 PM
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got another metering unit and it works!! not perfect but just needs a tune.
now got a problem where it wont start once its hot! any ideas?
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Old May 10, 2007 | 11:22 PM
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Could be losing its fuel pressure when you switch off
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Old May 15, 2007 | 07:30 PM
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its ok now, just needs a good run and tune up. cheers mate
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