Would these be suitable for a 2.1 zetec bottom end ?

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any1?

 

Look the part mate but not 100% as never built one.

Alot of people on here seem to be buying eagle rods for
there zetec builds

 

Im just not 100% sure if the length is correct or not. Dont want to go ahead and buy them only to find they are the wrong length.

 

If they are corrent length or not depends on what length you want. Logical, isn't it? They are the standard Focus zetec (black top) rod length, being 3mm longer than the old silver top rods.

 

So these wouldnt be suitable for a series 1 or series 2 engine then ?

Would you know where I could get rods for the series 1 / series 2 engines ?

 

i am currently running these rods with je pistons in a series one engine but they are meant for the series two focus engine

 

Well, this is the situation....

I am buying a zvh bottom end from someone that has 86mm accralite pistons, but there are no rods, so I need to purchase some. I dont know if its a series one or two block yet, I am waiting for a reply from him to find out.

turboboss - Did you have to do any jiggery pokery to fit em, or are they a straightforward fit?

Thanks for your help everyone!

 

straight forward fit with the right pistons they will handle 450whp all day, the pistons will have to be ford focus because the rods i think are longer with shorter pistons or it might be the other way round

 

Thats what im a bit worried about, is if the rods connected to the accralite pistons will be the wrong overall length.

 

the eagle rods have a 19mm small end and most accralite pistons for the zetec have 20.63 old pinto size. so its not a straight fit if that is the case only uk suppliers farndon arrow do the 20.63mm small end america only had the series 3 engine so only had the 19mm smal end

 

hmmmmm, so it looks as though those rods + accralite pistons wont work

If I was to get those eagle rods and focus pistons, then this would work in the series 1 / 2 zetec engines ?

Thanks.

 

I suppose I could always use standard rods with the accralite pistons? Not sure how difficult it would be to source just the rods 2nd hand though.

 

The Eagle rod pin diameter is 20.00mm, not 19.00mm.

 

i sourced my eagle rods and je pistons fomr the states for less then £500 and i am using them in a series one engine

 

The JE pistons are an 85mm bore from what I can see, and the block that I was looking at had been bored out to 86mm so I guess they would not fit. Looks as though I may have to give the block I was looking at a miss

Also, it says the compression ratio for the JE pistons in 9.0:1, isnt this a bit high?, I would expect about 7.6:1 or something

 

9.0 is quite ok for turbo and sure you can get any diameter/CR/CH pistons you want.

 

9:0:1 with a zetec 48cc head 8:5:1 with a cvh 57cc head i had to use a 1.2mm de-comp plate to bring the c/r down to 7:8:1 the plate not been a problem with 28psi and the Occasional sniff of nitrous

 

I just need to clairfy, I could use the following in a series 1 / 2 engine ? :

Focus Rods + Focus Pistons + decomp plate ?

Is the standard series 1 / 2 engine a 85mm bore?, because that is what I see the piston size specified for the focus piston from america.

So would it be pointless me buying a block that has been bored out to 86mm as the pistons would be too small ?

Also, as I say, the block I was looking at has accralite pistons, and these would not work with the american rods from what people say here due to the small end of the rod being 19mm from ameerica and the accralite pistons would be 20mm, Presumablly standard rods would fit the accralite pistons?

Thanks again for your help.

 

They only got the later black top zetec engine in the states in their focus.

The eagle rods are designed to run with aftermarket fully floating pistons for the black top zetec engine eg the ones from JE.

I have run eagle rods in genuine 400 bhp GT30 equiped zetec engines with no probs. I would recommend them.

 

you can use that combo in either the black or sliver top engine the standard 2.0 bore is 84.?mm so a slight bore and hone for those pistons.
ian howell can sell you a set of pistons that will work with the eagle rods and 86mm bore block . i dont think the accralite pistons are any good with the eagle rods.. how much power are you after? really i cant see the point running standard Components when you can buy decent rods and pistons so cheap , zetec cosworth rods retail at £288

 

Well, im not after a massive amount of power, maybe 230 - 250, BUT... seen as how I am starting from scratch I would like to get it done right, so that I can at a later date run more power if I want and as you say, they are so cheap, then it makes sense to really.

What are the cosworth rods you mention?

Thanks for your help m8.

 

Standard bore is 84.8mm and the ZS1/ZS2 pins are still 20.63 vs 20.00mm, not 19.00mm. Also I can't see the need for a decomp plate if used with a cvh head. Just don't spec an ultra thin head gasket. Also remember that the US zetec pistons will all have the valve cutouts for 16V.

edit: sorry for the typo

 

the bore of a standard 2ltr Zetec engine from a Mondeo etc is actually 84.8mm

 

personally m8 i would'nt bother with a zvh they cost alot of money to get the best out of them cheaper to do a zetec, and this is coming from someone who has spent loads on a zvh.

 

Well, thats why I started my other post "Zetec v ZVH" just to get an idea of exactly how much more work is involved to install a zetec compared to a zvh.

I think everyone agrees that the full zetec is by far the better choice, but zvh is convenient to keep you inlet / exhaust manifolds etc... ?

 

you have to decide what you want... if its convenience stick with the cvh turbo engine... if its performance go down the full zetec route