Who's got it and whats it like on and off to live with

Cheers Paul

 

I had it on my Escos and TBH it makes the car feel normally aspirated so slower!!!!...you dont get the sudden bang of boost.

Srious noise and flames though ..although i never left it on long as i was paranoid the car would set light ....If you got any air leaks in the exhaust the fire will come out there....really designed NOT to have underseal on the car...anything flammable could be an ass

But i am paranoid

 

How was the lack of idle when turned off?

 

Never had any idle issues..i assume the mapper takes into consideration no ISCV..although you can still run one and use a remote housing.

 

Can you? I never knew that.. thats involved with a remote idle valve aswell?

Cold starts ok?

Cheers Phil

 

...i had a engine advantages chip and als board on greys..never had a prob starting..get a proper mountune als valve though they can stick and cause high rpm tickover when switched off.

...a housing is put remotely with one connection going to the elbow of the plenum cover the other from intercooler area...*i think thats how it goes*

 

doesn't have to be an issue - have a second solenoid that is a big one for als. the als switch that is used to ground pin x can also switch the power from the small idling iscv to the large als bypass

 

Never ever had cold start or idle issues even on VERY early 6am sub zero starts.

Mine was very hasrsh so totally transformed the car, felt like a huge capacity V8, mega power the instant you touched the throttle, great on twisty sections of road.

Noise and flames are great, so great I ended up with a 750quid fine

Ill be having it again.

 

P8 doesn't support both idle speed and ALS, it is one or the other. You need T6 to do both .

Cold starting is therefore a problem, as you have to hold the revs up manually until it is warm enough to idle unassisted on my car, otherwise it labours horribly at 600rpm. However, 30s or so is all that it needs...

 

Worst mine ever did it cut out straight away the 1st time.
2nd time it would start up and idle perfectly.
Never ever had it idling badly at 600rpm tho.
But thats gonna be down to different mapping etc im sure.

 

Mike are you up to speed on my issues

As mike said the P8 can only drive one valve or the other and not both

Phil was yours full antilag or mild antilag? can someone pls explain the difference

Cheers guys

 

Best thing I ever did!

Stavros

I still have a video of yours blowing flames out of the exhaust!!

Mild anti-lag and full anti lag are differentiated by the amount of air bypass (controlled by the als valve) and degree of timing retard, controlled in the programming. Mild ALS will still make a difference. Full ALS is simply awesome!!

T6 ALS is just stunning.

 

Only what Franco told me that you were having some sort of issue with the board?

You have the opposite of the luck of the Irish . In fact you remind me of that Fast Show character .

 

...i had mild als...0psi at idle.....big difference over not having it

 

are you sure? maybe just not the mountune software?

 

not necessarily. not if they are switched over as i described earlier and the software is written accordingly (and not just copied off a rally car where they didn't care about such things )

 

Considering the RP labs version is not yet available to the general public, yes VERY sure .

 

Well it turns out the Pectel monitor is mint and fully working wahooo!

The P8 has blown a chip.. the one that controls the comm's, canister purge and water injection. It was hinted that an incorrectly wired water injection may be have been the problem anyway the board is being repaired so all will be fine

The mountune ALS board can't be swapped to the road friendly version without a shit load of work or a remap so its here to stay so I now need a Mountune ALS valve.. without the ALS throttle housing I can run mild ALS with just the vlave I believe.

I was also told that the 12 postion boost pot I have is now redundent with ALS, not sure if that still applies when the ALS is switched off thou?

Also the fuel pump not switching on problem wasn't the 'kin Wipac.. it was this board as its a WRC spec the fuel pump needs a manual switch or something to make it come on with ignition.. earth to pin 28 I beleive.

 

I had full pretty wild spec ALS, 23psi held by just revving it out of gear and letting off the gas, 28psi or so on the overrun when letting off throttle from a full boost blast, very slowly dropping a few psi.
That was with a T34.

But even mild ALS what i used to have when on greens was good, its the time from vac to boost that seems to make the bigest difference

 

get autronic on it!!!!!!!!!

 

Fuck all wrong with P8 Ade............


It does enough & more! Oh then he'd have to buy a new loom etc, this is a much cheaper option.

Anyway if he was going to change management, my guess would be it would be to T6

 

Ps So would i!

 

Yes mate deffo T6

Jay some good news for you.. the 12 pot is useless to me

 

Monthly installments?

 

Has anyone had trouble with the modified ISCV not functioning correctly - either sticking open or not lifting when required?

Ian

 

Ian,
Every now and again, but only when carbon deposits have built up. A quick clean has resolved it .

 

that doesn't mean that it can't be done, hasn't been done, or will be done

 

the water injection was NEVER used / wired up, so that 'hint' is wrong

 

My understanding is that currently you cant get a four injector P8 board to run the boost pot and ALS. I believe that you can go to the 8 injector version and run both ALS and boost pot but its more money again.

I have mild ALS combined with lots of power and low weight on the Westfield and it works really well. Map based on the mountune software. Same as mike with the idle speed from cold. 30 Seconds max to artificially hold the revs around 1100 and then idles fine. Thats also on 850cc injectors, not greys.

Must admit we did some low rev mapping and cold start mapping from the original when it was on greys and its made it much better. Not sure how much the more modern 850cc injectors contribute here???? Maybe someone like Mike/Stu can comment??

I fitted a switch to disable the ALS valve separate to the main ALS ON/OFF switch as I was finding the P8 primed the ALS valve into the open position upon ignition and caused the engine to rev up to maybe 2500 straight from cold and until I guess enough vacuum was made to pull it shut again??

In summary, it works well for me in MILD form, but the noise if F*cking loud!!!! Remember my exhaust is maybe only half the length of your cossie oness and exits about 24 inches from my head so flames on ALS and overun can be interesting, especially the daytime when you cant see them to lean away!!!!!

 

polly_x


your machine sound really cool

 

It sounds fucking awesome with the ALS on mate!!!

 

i bet it does

 

Gareth,
I'd say its nuts!

Polly x,
was it built as a kit?

Paul,
Ive als on my escort(mild)and it really makes a difference on the back roads on large open circuits like Donny it doesnt make any odds.

 

ive had als on my cosworth aswell,, very mild setup though

was great fun though, and works well

anyone got a sticking iscv? one i can mod so i can have also back

 

Yep was built as a kit and not one of the original factory built ZEI 220 Cossie powered versions.

I bought it with a Cossie engine already in running the usual greens, T34, 205 block etc.

Basically ripped it apart, threw the engine away and had a new 200 blocked one built from scratch with all the trimmings. A reliable 500BHP was the aim. At the same time added all the gadgets like ALS, WI, Dizzyless, Ryan Loom.......The list goes on!!! The most dificult bit was getting a big intercooler in the nose to suit the power.

Really happy with it now. Spent some timing mapping it on the road in the end as it was a pain to do on the rollers and the results were well worth it.

Its a absolute track weapon, albeit a bit of a handful!!!!!!

 

how drivable is it on the road?
who mapped it,,,

 

Not a Cossie, but this is my mates car with ALS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBdPkf8qp6E

 

Thats the quickest S2000 I've seen

 

Surprisingly with more BHP and the T4 it also a lot more driveable. I also run 235 Toyo 888's on the rear which helps.

The final on road mapping was done with a good experienced ex mountune man

It doesnt really suffer from too much lag due to the weight and the power delivery is much more progressive now with the T4. I dont know what power its running but should be kicking out what you would expect from a good proper built engine with all the usual tuning bits, 850cc's and a T4 running around 26PSI. I could turn the boost up but seriously it really does not need anymore and its reliable at that level. Would imagine it produces a good genuine 450 BHP??? But dont care really. At that level it still gives around 650 per tonne!

 

CRAZY

i want a ride in it