kay2

Has anybody got any experience with this?

I have been thinking about starting to take 4iu's per day im not really bothered about size gains but more the increase in vitality and the regeneration of organs and fat loss etc.

I havnt managed to find anything that has been objectively negative (just ussual AAS are bad etc)

I have read about people growing lumps on their head and stuff though, any info from users and experienced people welcome

snedboy

From what i know about it it needs to be run for more than 6 months to see effects and also the effects areant worth the outlay.Its very expensive to buy and IMHO not worth it.Running other stuff during a 6month period would be much better

Plus most folk just grow a massive jaw

snedboy

Have a read of this might help your decision a bit

http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/article-...rmone-hiv.aspx

sunny

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I used to work with someone years ago who was always asking questions about Liquid HGH however always denied he was any form of juice. After some months he had a SERIOUSLY abnormal chin.....it was sooooo funny!

snedboy

PMSL

Alps Pacino

Why is it that people jaws grow massiv eon GH, i know a lad who was on it and his jaw grew massive and has a big gap between his front teeth now. Like sunny said proper funny and he looks like a tit now lol

snedboy

Think its got to do with the jaw is used most each day i.e talking,eating etc and HGH seems to target areas of the body that gets used most from memory

Alps Pacino

god stuff i might get on a it cause its my arm and cock that gets used most of the day lol

godzilla

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Growth Hormone........ Never been keen on it as it makes your bones grow aswell as other parts of your body. Would only really use it if going Pro'.

Another one thats becoming more common is Synthol. Seen some un-real gains off this, I mean adding almost 2" to your arms in 10 weeks, no joke!

Check it out on Google. Another thing with Synthol...... Its 100% legal!!

Some guys that are on Google search have gone a bit to far using it and look totally stupid.

Bloke in our gym is using it at the mo' and looks incredible.

Fezza

Synthol appears (from what I have read) to simply be an oil that one injects beneath the muscle sheath in order to 'lift' the muscle. This forms a bubble of oil beneath the muscle, making the muscle 'look' bigger, but not actually gaining any muscle or any strength gains. (infact, the guy in the second reference refers to synthol as a 'equivilent of breast implants...like a fake oil steroid without the steroid...')
(references:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ronharris8.htm
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...748C8922.hydra )

I am sure their are supplements / anabols that could be of benefit while training, but to be honest, you will be limited by your genetics / diet / training regime / etc etc.
Synthol seems a waste of time, unless you want to look like bubbled bag of oil.

kay2

Mate im not being funny but synthol gives you absolutely no gains whatsoever it is merely a sterile oil that you body cannot break down it therefore stays in a pocket under your muscle almost like an implant, it gives seriously deformed looking results when used in excess and causes loss of detail, Its extremely painfull however it can be used in weak areas such as calves etc

Synthol is often sold as posing oil

kay2

I get it Ł1 per iu Idont think thats expensive?!

kay2

I cant be bothered with steriods im big enough for my liking but i do like the idea of reduced body fat around injection sites, the increase in vitality.

Plus bodybuilding makes people short tempered enough without sticking a gram of test in your ass a week plus all the other complications like your liver ,your bollox shrivelling up. aggresssion, spots, mass loss on off periods, working out hcg amounts, missing jab days having to carry around a chemist with you to ensure you dont miss anything, having to tell the dentist, doctor etc what your on and then getting looks of discust!

I just cant be arsed!

growth however does seem like a miracle drug when you have a busy schedule apart from having to inject it daily as its your natural growth levels that get affedted when you get tired from working and training?

snedboy

Aint real gear then m8 i can tell you that!! or its vet stuff,carry on then

kay2

oh the competetive bodybuilder I get it from that also takes it must have a sideline then

godzilla

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Ł1 ??????????

I have been Bodybuilding for over 15 years, met many Pro's, used almost every AAS and not once have I ever heard of GH going for Ł1. A good course of GH will set you back around Ł280-350 and thats from a very good source in Thailand.

As for Synth', ....... Being used more and more. Yep it is fake as in it has not really built muscle fibres but it does give a good look if used in small doseage. As in painfull, a lot less than Sust or Deca as Synth' has a tiny amount of Lig' in it.

snedboy

Thank you Paul

As already said i would NOT buy from the guy your on about m8 as its obv shite!!

kay2

the make are generic blues, I get them at an unmarked up price thats why its cheap anyone else would pay Ł3 per iu

StuRST

i can almost guarantee you that it isnt HGH that he is offering you, the prices Paul quoted are about the general blanket prices you will get anywhere!! it would probably cost more than the price you were quoted to produce!

its more than likely actually HCG, which is nothing like HGH but often sold by scammers and the likes of at the inflated prices HGH is sold at

snedboy

Totally agree m8 HCG costs approx 3p/iU so its prob that

Cheapest ive seen HGH is approx Ł8/iU

Ollie.

Mate Ł8/iU???

Paul is right.. circa Ł3 per iU is correct.

kay2

right rather than argue about whether or not i have hgh or not (I actually have several boxes of HCG also) could you comment on whether it is worth running in such small doses for the reasons I stated in my first post, thanks

http://www.ecplaza.net/tradeleads/se...cap_191aa.html

Is what I have it comes in a lot cheaper than Ł8 per iu ANSOMONE: rHGH Somatropin is that price

snedboy

Right to answer you initial question no you need to run 8iU/day to actually see any benefits AND ideally need to run a cycle approx a month after starting the HGH aswell or you will be taking HGH basically for nothing as the benefits are so small.Most guys dont bother with it only IFBB pro's tend to run it along with heavy cycles,the normal average joe at the gym wouldnt run it as its not worth the outlay for the price

rsvmad1

lol can sum1 just tell me wat the hell you`s are going on about...

haha over grown jaw thats funny shit

snedboy

HGH stands for Human Growth Hormone and basically you use it to get bigger down the gym but the only things that grow is your jaw

Its steroid abuse were all on about wanna join our gang pmsl

In all seriousness HGH iseant to be taken lightly and serious sides can be had with this shit i mean look at Sylvester Stallone

snedboy

Right you get 4iU per vial and 10 vials per kit.Each kit costs approx Ł300 so thats 300 divided by 10 divided by 4 gives you? Ł7.50 even at Ł280/kit it costs Ł7/iU.Then you get the 8iU kits that are dearer again obv!!

RUBY123

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Hgh will do what you want it for it will rip the fat off you. I had a mate that used it he lost a stone in a week. If you eat like a horse on it you go huge and strong people i no stack it with insulin and the gains are scary but both of the above give domed abs and make you look like you are pregnant.

Ollie.

You're wrong there... you're talking about different size kits which is neither here nor there. The fact is growth is between Ł250 and Ł300 for 100iU.

kay2

right I spoke to the guy I bought it off today I bought this as part of a bundle with some natural supplements and proteins I PAID 150 for it, sorry for the mistake, so the FACT is I get it at an unmarked up cheaper price than you guys, So thats cleared up!

Can we get back on topic, Im not interested in size gains, more definition, muscle maturaty, localised fat loss and organ health.

Research suggest that low doses of HGH promotes all these as at 30 your natural levels are 30% less than when your 20, has anyone got any experience running low doses of this stuff without the use of steriods!


http://www.genf20hgh.net/more-and-mo...-hormones.html

snedboy

Thought ide copy and paste this for you kay to have a read hopefully you can make sense and a decision as to what to take each day.

Growth Hormone



Side Effects:
Hypoglycemia- due to lowered insulin levels.
Aromeglia- (abnormal bone growth) GH does not cause it, but if you are predisposed to it, it will speed it up.
GH gut- if predisposed and taking large doses of GH
Carpel Tunnel Syndrome
Soreness in Joints

Benefits of GH:
New Muscle Cells
Mood Enhancement
Smoothing and improving the skin
Leanness, it is a mild fat burner
Joint and ligament strengthening

Where to Inject, How, and How to Make:
You can site inject anywhere you can reach the subcutaneous layer. Pinch the flesh and pull back, then insert the needle in the "pocket" underneath. Doesn't absorb quick enough if you inject into the adipose tissue. Do not inject intra-muscular, though it can be done, it is not recommended. GH is a site injection, where it is shot is where it will burn the most noticeable fat. Most people do it in the stomach since that is a typical sub q shot with most of the fat being in that area. GH should be kept in a fridge; freezing will destroy the GH. On your kit it probably says to use the kit in 18-24 hours, remember these are for AIDS patients, not bodybuilders or athletes. Mixing the GH can either be done with sterile water or bacteriostic water. The kit with water will be fine for 3 days in the fridge, even with the sterile water, but you should not take this chance, rather you should use bacteriostic water and play it safe. This will keep it fine for a couple of weeks. When mixing the GH, let the water slide down the side as to not pulverize the GH wafer. Do not spray it directly against the wafer with any force. Before reconstitution and even after GH is fragile!!! Also once the water is injected into the bottle gently swirl the vial to reconstitute, do not shake or swirl violently!!!!

Conversions:
1 ml = 1 cc -/+
100 units per 1 cc

6 mg = 18iu

1 ml = 18iu

.50 ml = 9iu

.25 ml = 4.5iu

Some people choose to only do it in cc’s but here is how you can do it in units on a slin dart

5.5 = 1iu, so 2iu = 11 on a slin dart

Differences Between Kits:
The main difference between kits is how many iu’s they make when reconstituted. For example, Serostim re-constitutes to make 126iu, while a Saizen kit.... also made by Serono.... makes up 15iu. Another of their kits makes 54iu. It better be way cheaper than a Serostim kit! Humatrope is fine, but costs too much. The other main concern would be fakes; Lilly is the most often faked one. Some older GH kits do not have holograms on them and are legit, but they are usually only less than 100 dollars than new GH kits with holograms, and I would rather be assured of the hologram and legitimacy of the kit. Best buy currently is Serostim 126 iu kits. These are made for people with wasting diseases like AIDs. Many of these patients got infected because they are IV drug addicts..........they sell the Serostim on the street for drug money.


Dose:

4 to 6 iu ed is sufficient. Most people take it 5 days on 2 days off at their designated dosage. There is no reason or evidence why you cannot stay on for various lengths of time; there is no need to go 5 on 2 off other than cost. Considering that our natural production is only .5 to 1.5iu a day, this is still a huge bump for the body. Research has shown that the body's natural defence systems render mega doses of GH ineffective, anyway. GH does not cause gains in mass...it allows you to put on a great deal of lean mass in combination with proper steroid and insulin use. The user before taking must know this. One or two kits are not enough, you need at least 3 to make you happy, GH takes a while to make its effects, but remember they are long lasting, what you see is what you keep. It takes 6 to 8 weeks to notice a dramatic change in body comp using GH on an ED or 5/2 split. Lighter doses for long periods of time are better than large doses for short cycles. Like any other drug, the more you take the more the benefits, but likewise also more risks. 4-6 iu is a standard dose but many people take more, the most repulsing side effects happen at or beyond 12 iu a day but like anything else it depends on your predisposition for it.


How to Stack:
GH is best taken in conjunction with insulin, anabolic steroids, and t3. Insulin is extremely effective with GH, as anyone here who has tried it will testify. This is because GH injections cause a down regulation of insulin sensitivity in the body.
GH alone causes little growth of lean mass, however, when combined with insulin and steroids (and IGF-1 if you can find it), the results can be down right remarkable...esp. in the older bodybuilder. Start light with the humulin...5iu...and work up 1 iu a day till you get use to it. 7 to 10iu in the AM and 7 to 10 iu in the late afternoon, with split doses of GH is your best bet. When splitting GH/insulin doses, I use mid-morning and late afternoon after lifting.... both flat times in our natural GH production. The insulin overcomes the insulin-resistance caused by exogenous GH supplementation. If you are scared to take insulin thought, then Gh with Test and Glucophage is good. GH is good for cutting if used alone. Glucophage allows for improved glucose and amino acid absorption by the muscle tissue and does it safely. This is what you want. The half-life of GH is only 2 hours so spread it out. Avoid bedtime injections since we produce the bulk of our own GH in the first two hours of sleep. Since exogenous GH suppresses this, you should not take it before bed. For best results, use a 17aa oral during the cycle to stimulate the release of natural insulin growth factors. I would run the test throughout. GH/insulin/test is the proven synergistic combination.
It is also wise to preload with testosterone before starting GH if you are going to do it. You should preload with the amount of time it takes for that testosterone to kick in, since most of us take longer acting esters for testosterone you should usually start taking the test 2 weeks before GH use. Likewise, you can accommodate it to fit your needs; the key is for the test to be kicking in the same time you are starting to run your GH. You can cycle you steroids however you want to depending on your goals, if you are going for a more massive look than you would run insulin for most of the cycle and use high androgens, but if you are looking for additional leanness at the end of a cycle you should stop the androgens and run a higher dose of GH or run less androgens. T3 is also another substance that should be used during GH cycling since GH lowers thyroid hormones. T3 should be used for shorter periods though, because it can permanently alter the endocrine system. The magic of GH for men is the ability to gain mass without fat or bloating when stacked properly with insulin, and steroids. GH also makes for amazing improvements in skin...smoothes wrinkles, burns stubborn spots of adipose tissue, gives that paper-thin contest look...and also gives one a real mood lift, a feeling of well being.

Major Difference Between GH and Steroids:
Steroids can increase the size of your muscle cells, but cannot I repeat CAN NOT increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which to start with is governed by your genetics. However Growth hormone CAN increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which goes beyond genetics.

Half-Life of GH:
Exogenous (injected) GH has a "half-life" of approximately 2 hours . . . a 4-hour period of activity during which there is a suppression of naturally produced GH.

GH Naturally Produced:
We release the most of our naturally produced GH during the first two hours of deep sleep...you may take a little time to adjust.... your body thinks you should be in bed when that big influx hits. It is good to take a nap, that’s when you grow anyway. It always helps to take naps after workouts and injections everyday.

GH Causing Acromeglia:
Acromeglia is a disease...you either have it or you don't. Supplementing GH will not cause it. Persons suffering from acromeglia, like Andre the Giant, lack the natural defense mechanisms of the body to regulate the production and effects of GH secretion in he pituitary. It is well established in the medical literature that exogenous GH will not cause the disease.... of course it would worsen the condition in those who had it.

GH Gut: Myth or Reality?:

Some researchers claim that any gains in weight experienced by subjects using GH alone was due to growth of internal organs and connective tissue, which could cause some problems. Most studies do not agree with this theory and consider "GH gut" to be a myth. Some people are allergic to synthetic test, this is something you have to find out for yourself. Some people also feel intestinal discomfort from time to time, if so take it down to one item at a time to see what is causing you discomfort; creatine, glutamine, protein products, orals, and dirty gear have all been known to cause this, so find the problem early.

GH and IGF-1:
Perhaps the most relevant effect of IGF-1 is the ability of IGF-1 to increase protein synthesis by increasing cellular mRNA formation (mRNA makes protein) as well as increasing uptake of amino acids. This effect on protein synthesis can lead to increased lean mass. The research indicates that this effect is dependent on GH presence as well. So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis.

GH and IGF-1 are negative regulators of GH release so an increase in either (from a GH injection) reduces the secretion of GH. IGF-1 is very difficult to obtain in a useable condition.... it must be handled very gently and have bee kept at a rather precise temperature at all times. One can stimulate IGF production through the use of an oral steroid during cycle. Dbol, for example, causes a rather extensive release of IGF during the first pass through the liver.

The leading studies in this area: (Ney, 1999, Yarasheski, 1994.... Am J. App. Phys.)
In the Yarasheski study, no increase in lean muscle mass was noticed in the subjects using GH alone, but significant gains were found in subjects that supplemented with IGF and GH...add in the steroids and look out! Yarasheski studied weight trained athletes, supplementing one group with GH alone, and one group with GH and IGF. "So IGF-1 alone does not promote such effects. (Leanness and increased lean mass) Nor does GH. It appears the combination of the two most consistently lead to increased protein synthesis." Both seem to negatively downregulate the other over time, so as to lead to diminishing returns. Cycling would be in order for that reason. Also supplementing both is necessary because one or the other alone will suppress the natural production of the non-supplemented Latest study by Yarashevski - with GH alone...8 to 12% change in lean body composition. 6% increase in muscle mass.

micreed

hi been away for bit..good thread this .. in my humble opinion growth is not worth the cost..however as you say you can get it so cheap ..and you dont want to body build but do the fountain of youth type thing the yanks all love ...you gotta run for long time at the doses you want to try...will it aid you in what you want ...yes ..will it be cost effective ? no... even at the prices you can get it for there are cheaper,better ,quicker alternatives...as to sides never seen em at low doses...most happen after yrs of 10ius plus so wouldnt worry

micreed

ps...lol dont even get me started about synthol.....