Nikus

Hey,

at the beginning I'd like to say two things: I'm not from UK, so don't laugh at my English ; second: I don't visit passionford everyday so it's a small problem for me to find out information I need, and that's why I need your help.

I'm thinking about swapping engine in my Fiesta. As I wrote in title, zetec or duratec, 2.0. I've got Fiesta made in 04/99, so it is interim (hope it's a good word) version.

But I can't find any similiar project in "Restorations, Rebuilds & Projects."-subforum, can you give me a hand?

I keep my project cool for now, I'm just preparing any info that can be useful.

Glenn_

iTrader: (1)

there was a lad who had his fiesta with a focus rs engine featured in fast ford mag a few months ago. I think his company was called shawspeed??? He has an internet site too.

Nikus

Just a little can be found at this page. I presume those guys will send me this answer: "For 999.90 we'll give any advice you need". Should I write that I don't have 999.90 to spend?

Well, there is some threads here about 2.0 in Fiesta mk4/5, but in most situations images have been uploaded to photobucket and they expired. When pics are still available, just little had been wrote about swapping :/

I've totally forgot about ZSOC, maybe I'll find more there.

rsfido_1989

Zsoc.com is good as there is a few projects being done. What do you want.. Na. Turbo? i am doing it at the moment so i can help a little.

Nikus

As I wrote I'm not in hurry, right now I'm collecting $$$ - for me parts are 2-3 times more expensive than for you. The beginning of the project is planned for the next year, I plan just to put stock engine, except throwing out catalytic converter and putting "expansion muffler" (hope I used a good word) and modifying exhaust system, which is the thing that blocks engine the most.

I've already have endura 1.3, and that can be problem when we're talking'bout electrical installation, but as I wrote I've got interim version, and thats mean I have mk4 with installation from mk5, and friend of mine said that means I will not have to modify electrical installation. I've allready got A/C and I don't want to get rid of it.

With a friend we planned the first, theoretical specification (mainly prepared for blacktop):
1) Engine, Zetec: silver or black; duratec or MZR from mazda
2) gearbox from Puma 1.7 - got any other propositions?
3) Coller from 1.8d, because of much bigger diameter of input and output, and because input and out put are from the side of driver(European)/passenger(UK), like in zetec
4) engine-mountings from 1.25 or 1.4

Allready done:
- Rear beam with drum brakes from xr2i - diameter changed from 180 to 203. And I think it's enough, because the rear side of Fiesta is very light.
- Weitec Ultra GT 35/35

Front brakes are still stock, I don't see any reason for changing them for now, but I'm thinking about brakes from essie rs2k, p&p. Any other propositions?

rsfido_1989, I'll thankful for any pics and details you'll write

And of course I'm waiting for any comments and advices, positive or negative.

slim20012

I needed a new sump and dipstick and also changed the alternator bracket,stuck with the 1.3 gearbox till i got a turbobox front breaks were ok had a few hairy moments due to heating up to much i think

rsfido_1989

spec of my fiesta to mock up for zetec turbo

silvertop engine block with rear engine mount, i have an escort mount to try or will be a modified cvh mount to keep the front of the bay clear for access.

mk4 fiesta diesel gearbox which moves the starter motor low, this is similar position to cvh box. this is to allow the original mounts and drive shafts.

will try the standard zetec s radiator, but this is unsure at the moment.

brakes -front mk2 mondy v6 calipers with 280mm fiesta st disks.
rear focus rear hubs and disks

will be running coilovers but unsure at the moment

management will be running standard ecu to keep the dials working but the engine will be on standalone management to run and be tuned correctly.

any other questions please ask.

Nikus

rsfido_1989, basic question, which Fiesta are you planning to tune? mk3, mk4, mk5?
Wow, what tire do you want to use? 225? 255?

what about the mountings?

damn, why I don't have enough money to do similar things? I was planning to spend no more than 1200-1500 pounds... Anyone has a unwanted duratec lying at one's backround, and is ready to send it to Poland?

rsfido_1989, when are you planning to swap engine? Got working camera?

zippyobrien

iTrader: (2)

To fit a zetec into a mk4, or 5 you need the following

Zetec lump
1.8 sump and water pump
Renault 5 oil filter
Escort gti clocks or rs/ xr 1800
So or Ho inlet
1.8 exhaust manifold
Bay loom and ecu from either a desk/ dewy ecud non pats mondeo
Or a non pats rs 1800 or 130 ps escort xr
Then you need either a sport ka or mk4 desiel gear box and a cvh modified engine mount.

Run the engone loom seperate to car loom retaining the stadard ecu

rsfido_1989

Why change the clocks? i was going to keep zs ecu to run clocks.

rsfido_1989

Ill do a full reply on my laptop later but im doing a 2001 mk5 zetec s fiesta.

rsfido_1989

tyres i have no idea lol
i have the diesel box as the zetec s box has the starter completely in the wrong place for the zetec e engine... this is what i mean by moving it low like a cvh.

zetec s rad is the standard one in the car so all mounting are the same.

and as for money i dont have a lot to spend but this is a project. the car i got with scrap copper money i got at work, i save my scrap for other bits and save odds and sods where i can (but my misses and son come 1st!!)

i dont really have any pictures atm as the cars been more in the planning process for a long time, but progress has been made with lots of research, which is why i am able to start the basics now. i am in no rush to have this on the road so its a major learning curve for me... if it takes me 5 years to build it and build it the way i want it, then thats how long it takes.

Nikus

I'm asking because there is no chance to move a cat at 1st gear. At other gears gearbox from diesel weakens the car, even though v-max is raised. We, the Polacks don't understand why Brits use diesel gearbox :P
I understand you

What about duratec? Has anybody tried it? I've heard that could be problems with mounting gearbox and driveshafts.

I'm asking because I found cheap ST170 imported from UK. http://otomoto.pl/ford-focus-anglik-C19365138.html Maybe somebody knows sth about this car. I'm thinking also about duratec 2.0 146 from Mondeo.

rsfido_1989

im using diesel purely due to the bell housing... i may even jiggle the box to run this housing but another box... im only wanting 200bhp, and to be able to drive it in show season.

yes o.c motorsports have done this with the fiesta st duratec.

st170 is the same as a zetec block. . . its a rebadged zetec. i had a 170 but wouldnt use the engine in another car.



what do you mean with the 1st gear comment?

Nikus

I mean no traction, burning tires because of huge torque.

rsfido_1989

ahh yeh... nothing wrong with that lol..

standalone management will help make it drive smooth tho... rev limiter... or just learn the car...if its cheap enough to work then its worth a try as its not needing custom parts.

Nikus

Yes, but why not use Puma or fiesta 1.6 gearbox? They're also not custom.

rsfido_1989

Starters in the wrong place... I cant mount the zetec e to the zetec se gearbox. I could have got an endura box but the van box for acceleration is something i like more. plus if its not any good ill change it... I paid 50quid for the box and starter.

Nikus

I know about this problem, but right know I need to get more info about this to discuss about it.
Why?

rsfido_1989

What info do you need?

Was a good engine in the st but the vvt wasnt great.. Very restricted to tune... Best off with a zetec.. Much more tuneable for less money. Duel mass flywheel and clutch went on my st and cost just under 1000quid to fix.

zippyobrien

iTrader: (2)

You have to run a desil box or a sport ka box for the starter motor to be able to fit

rsfido_1989

Yeh... Ur the man that advised me.the first place lol

Nikus

I mean I need to ask my mates.

I think those 170 HP could be enough for me, because 2nd stage planned to tune zetec to n/a 150-160 HP - I'd like to use my Fiesta as everyday car. But I'm thinking about the example you gave (flywheel and clutch), so I need to compare money needed to insert zetec and tune it, and costs of putting in duratec and potential costs of repairs: 146HP (almost 150HP would be enough for me, I know how mk3's run with N7A) or engine from Focus ST.

andy_lancer_89

hey,

ermm had abit of trouble with my car over the past couple of weeks, i virtually ran the fuel empty and topped up with sum old petrol and now the car wont start, iv tried bumpin the car and today iv had jump leads on it tryin to get it running,

i manage to get the car turning over but thats all it does ... if any one knows what the problem might be wud reali like a hand

oohh i put 10 ltrs of the old fuel in, and then today i topped up with 20 ltrs fresh petrol ... and still no start, im contemplating wether just to take it to a ford garage and let them sort it,

any help would be much appriciated

rsfido_1989

Random on our fiesta convo but.....

Did the car cut out when you ran low?

andy_lancer_89

yea sorry bwt that lol... iv managed to sort it now... i bled sum fuel out and had a look at it and it was basically water so i bled out bwt 1/4 of a tank till petrol got thru... checked the petrol and it had the fumes and it ignited so turned it ova abit and it started so gonna take it for a service and hopefully it will be alright