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Hi All,


So, im soon to pick up on Friday an imported pretty standard running Cossie from the UK. It came to New Zealand in 2006.
I know its been chipped and thats about it. Not sure what colour the injectors are..


What would be your suggessted upgrades be and why? I am open to suggested upgrades for future maintenance and not just shinny bits

Im going to scourse most of the parts from Gary at RS Classics. If you can suggest other good resources, please let me have them.


Thanks in advance Fella's.


Gary.

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1st thing to do is just wait a couple days to see what you've got once it arrives,
My personal opinion is that a "stg 3" car is a good driving road car
I.e greens, 3bar 500 cooler 3 inch exhaust and either t3 for punchy responce or t34 for bit more power,
Obviously proper chip to suit,
post up some pics when you get it to help identify what you have
Differant people will have their preferance but thats tried and tested and reliable
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Originally Posted by Wessa
Hi All,


So, im soon to pick up on Friday an imported pretty standard running Cossie from the UK. It came to New Zealand in 2006.
I know its been chipped and thats about it. Not sure what colour the injectors are..


What would be your suggessted upgrades be and why? I am open to suggested upgrades for future maintenance and not just shinny bits

Im going to scourse most of the parts from Gary at RS Classics. If you can suggest other good resources, please let me have them.


Thanks in advance Fella's.


Gary.
There certainly wont be many Sapphire Cosworths in NZ so sounds like you have been lucky to find one. What is the NZ equivalent of our DVLA like when it comes to modifying cars there? Are they relaxed about it or strict?
Is it a 2wd or 4x4 Sapphire Cosworth?
The YB engine can be as wild or tame as you want to make it. There has already been a useful post suggesting up to a stage 3 conversion which is a good all round route for extra punch without loss of reliability.
I have sourced parts from Gary at RS breakers and had no problems but if you need new engine parts etc you will have to buy them from somewhere else like Graham Goodie, Harvey Gibbs or Motorsports Developments.
Before you start upgrading the engine make sure it is in good condition as you will be putting extra BHP and torque through it which will very quickly find any weakness in it if there is any.
Best of luck with it, post up some photos when you get it and keep us informed.
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I think if I bought a cossie the first thing I would do is get it checked out, make sure all the wiring and connections are all in good order, then onto the suspension and braking components, like bushes and the condition of the callipers, they are performance cars, but on the old side so often a lot of stuff could benefit with renewing to make sure they keep healthy.
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Originally Posted by gjh
I think if I bought a cossie the first thing I would do is get it checked out, make sure all the wiring and connections are all in good order, then onto the suspension and braking components, like bushes and the condition of the callipers, they are performance cars, but on the old side so often a lot of stuff could benefit with renewing to make sure they keep healthy.
I'd agree with this before looking for power, also a good set of tyres as people still manage to fit ditch finders even on cossies
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Hi Fella's,


So since picking up the car i find that the car is completely standard, which isn't a bad thing. Yeah, i have checked the connections and they all seem to be good. There is an oil leak somewhere so i will get onto that.
All the tyres are new and the suspension seems pretty tidy.
The rear calipers need a clean but the fronts are spotless. its got a new stainless 3" exhaust which is handy.


Performance wise, im going to ask Gary at RS Classics what he has for me. Im not going made, i dont think a stage 3 ids on the cards just yet.


I was suprised how whist on a 600 mile journey to bring the car home, the temp gauge was reading not even half way up.. Nice and cool.


Over here in NZ, its easy to modify stuff with compliance needed for an engine change or suspension lowering etc, other than that, its all go.
There are not any Sapp's here, more 3 doors than 4. Funny eh.


Thanks for the advice fell'a, i will take a look at the suggested contacts too.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Wessa
Hi Fella's,


So since picking up the car i find that the car is completely standard, which isn't a bad thing. Yeah, i have checked the connections and they all seem to be good. There is an oil leak somewhere so i will get onto that.
All the tyres are new and the suspension seems pretty tidy.
The rear calipers need a clean but the fronts are spotless. its got a new stainless 3" exhaust which is handy.


Performance wise, im going to ask Gary at RS Classics what he has for me. Im not going made, i dont think a stage 3 ids on the cards just yet.


I was suprised how whist on a 600 mile journey to bring the car home, the temp gauge was reading not even half way up.. Nice and cool.


Over here in NZ, its easy to modify stuff with compliance needed for an engine change or suspension lowering etc, other than that, its all go.
There are not any Sapp's here, more 3 doors than 4. Funny eh.


Thanks for the advice fell'a, i will take a look at the suggested contacts too.


Cheers
All sounds good so far especially the fact that the engine is running cool. Might be in your case, not to modify it but keep it standard.
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Originally Posted by cossynut2
All sounds good so far especially the fact that the engine is running cool. Might be in your case, not to modify it but keep it standard.
TBH, im thinking the same thing.
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Originally Posted by Wessa
TBH, im thinking the same thing.
Post some photos of it so we can see what its like please.
If you are going to use it for road use only there is no need to start upping the power, plus once you start it can soon start to cost you shit loads of money.If you havent owned a big power Saff then you are not going to miss it are you?

It will be a very unique car there from what you have said and should get a lot of interest. Do you have a local Ford owners club which you can join?
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So here is the car as i picked it up last weekend. Looks pretty standard to me. Think i will start pulling bits off and cleanning them up.. Would like to clean the coolant expansion tank up.
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Originally Posted by cossynut2
Post some photos of it so we can see what its like please.
If you are going to use it for road use only there is no need to start upping the power, plus once you start it can soon start to cost you shit loads of money.If you havent owned a big power Saff then you are not going to miss it are you?

It will be a very unique car there from what you have said and should get a lot of interest. Do you have a local Ford owners club which you can join?

Let me know what you think of the engine bay
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Originally Posted by Wessa
Let me know what you think of the engine bay
It certainly looks completely standard apart from the aftermarket blue actuator on the turbo. The bodywork looks in good condition and rust free.
Its a blank canvas and up to you what you do with it but keeping it standard will be by far your cheapest option.
To start upping the power and dressing it up would cost a lot of money plus the shipping costs from the UK and possibly import duty as well on the parts.
I have had my Sapphire Cosworth for 21 years and have spent quite a lot on modifications but of course it is much easier here to source the parts and get a Cosworth specialist garage to do any work that you cant do yourself.
What ever you do with it, hopefully it will give you a lot of fun.





There is virtually nothing standard on mine but that has been my choice.





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Yeah, not cheap to send stuff here.
Lived all my life in Essex up until six yrs ago and it was so much easier to get any car parts there.


Not sure what to do with it to be honest. May just upspec a bit but not too much.


Yours looks fantastic mate, many many hours of labour and pounds eh. Nice one.


Already spent a few hundred with Gary at RS Classics on referbing parts..


Thanks again.


Cheers
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I'd look to see if theirs anybody capable of mapping it be for you decide
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Originally Posted by Wessa
Hi Fella's,


So since picking up the car i find that the car is completely standard, which isn't a bad thing. Yeah, i have checked the connections and they all seem to be good. There is an oil leak somewhere so i will get onto that.
All the tyres are new and the suspension seems pretty tidy.
The rear calipers need a clean but the fronts are spotless. its got a new stainless 3" exhaust which is handy.


Performance wise, im going to ask Gary at RS Classics what he has for me. Im not going made, i dont think a stage 3 ids on the cards just yet.


I was suprised how whist on a 600 mile journey to bring the car home, the temp gauge was reading not even half way up.. Nice and cool.


Over here in NZ, its easy to modify stuff with compliance needed for an engine change or suspension lowering etc, other than that, its all go.
There are not any Sapp's here, more 3 doors than 4. Funny eh.


Thanks for the advice fell'a, i will take a look at the suggested contacts too.


Cheers
Sounds like an awesome car mate. Carefull if u buy a 3 bar map sensor off him, he sold my mate a new one and it was a Chinese copy
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I would check the diaphragm in the standard dump valve.


If they split, the turbo spins its nuts off and dies - I speak from expensive experience
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Originally Posted by Mark V8
I would check the diaphragm in the standard dump valve.


If they split, the turbo spins its nuts off and dies - I speak from expensive experience
Good shout that. I was going to get a bailey recirc as an upgrade but went with the group a filter and dump valve blank to get the chatter going
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Yeah, i will check the diaphram, good tip.


I may just take the next upgrade and not go for the full potential one tbh..


I would like the boost to come in sooner. Is there a way to do that?


I'm sure i could find someone out her to map it for me.


I will post up some more pics once its rolling again. Its on stands at the moment. Going to overhaul the brakes.


Thanks again Fellas.
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Originally Posted by Wessa
Yeah, i will check the diaphram, good tip.


I may just take the next upgrade and not go for the full potential one tbh..


I would like the boost to come in sooner. Is there a way to do that?


I'm sure i could find someone out her to map it for me.


I will post up some more pics once its rolling again. Its on stands at the moment. Going to overhaul the brakes.


Thanks again Fellas.
From what ive seen there are a lot of people there race and rally British classic cars so there must be some places which have the rolling road set ups and are familiar with Cosworth YB engines.
I presume at the moment your engine is, as you think, completely standard and as such there is not much you can do to improve its response, Less restrictive air filter and exhaust will help but as I said the skys the limit to performance upgrades.
The trouble is its addictive, once you start the more you want but of course the money you are going to spend can very quickly get out of control. Tough choice for you which way to go, keep it as standard as possible or start upgrading?
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One thing I've just thought about seeing that aftermarket actuator, perhaps pull the ecu out and take the cover off to see if the standard chip is in there
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One thing I've just thought about seeing that aftermarket actuator, perhaps pull the ecu out and take the cover off to see if the standard chip is in there
I just noticed in his first post he says it is chipped, but what with? Difficult when you buy a car but dont have full details of what may have been done to it.
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Originally Posted by cossynut2
I just noticed in his first post he says it is chipped, but what with? Difficult when you buy a car but dont have full details of what may have been done to it.
Ah it's been a while since I read the first post I was too lazy to go back and read it
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I would say its stage one.
What's it boost at? Anything around 1bar its stg 1.
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Originally Posted by cossynut2
I just noticed in his first post he says it is chipped, but what with? Difficult when you buy a car but dont have full details of what may have been done to it.
When i first posted, i thought it was chipped until i found the owner previous to the last and i spoke to him.
He is actually a cossie specialist in NZ, probably the only one and i was told its all standard apart from the actuator.
The turbo had also been reconditioned.


Its got a K+N filter and a new exhaust , i think 2'' pipes and 3" back box.


I may take the ecu out and check the chip though


I dont know what the boost is, although i have a spare set of gauges with it. (above) Can i attach these to find what its set at ot do i need one directl at the lump? I take it, it will sit on whatever it is on tickover?.

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Just use a vaccuum pipe from gauge to intake manifold.

But do not T into the map sensor or fuel regulator.

T off the dump valve or if you have a spare take off on manifold.

Tick over that boost gauge will read zero.
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Wessa. So it seems it is completely standard apart from the 2 improvements which have already been done. Its back to square one for you , either keep it standard or bite the bullet and start the upgrading? As I said before it will be costly once you start and dont forget parts probably wont be available in NZ and will need to be sourced from the UK.
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Originally Posted by costina
Just use a vaccuum pipe from gauge to intake manifold.

But do not T into the map sensor or fuel regulator.

T off the dump valve or if you have a spare take off on manifold.

Tick over that boost gauge will read zero.

Now your talking technical Sh!t lol.. I think this was set up in the dash sometime ago, wonder if i can reinstall it and use it from there?

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Wessa. So it seems it is completely standard apart from the 2 improvements which have already been done. Its back to square one for you , either keep it standard or bite the bullet and start the upgrading? As I said before it will be costly once you start and dont forget parts probably wont be available in NZ and will need to be sourced from the UK.

Your right.. I just need some advice s to what i need to go up a touch but nothing full on. I want to keep it descreet too if there is such a thing.
I do have a 4x4 cooler on its way though..

Just off subject, is the coil in my engine bay upside down?


Im also hypnotised by Cossynuts engine bay lol.. Cant take my eyes off it..


Thanks Boys.

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Wessa Your coil is mounted upside down for some reason, just turn it around.
Its difficult to know what will be best for you to give your car some more poke without it costing a fair bit.Minimum would be as someone else said, maybe T34 turbo, green injectors, uprated chip, 3bar map sensor and an RS500 style intercooler. This would give a very noticeable improvement in performance but IMO you would also need at least a group A headgasket , an uprated oil pump and maybe uprated cams.The trouble is where do you stop?
As I said once you start it will get you hooked and you will want more and more and you will need deep pockets!
I hate to think what I have spent on mine over the years but I love it. To have an old 1990 car which can out perform most things which cost a hell of a lot more is great fun!!!

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Thought it was upside down lol..


The more i keep thinking about it, the more i cant be fused..


Its not the money, just the F'ing about..


Im just going to tidy the enginf bay up i reckon.


Would love to find a new coolant expantion tank.. Its really bugging me


Thanks again Fella's.


I will take a couple of pics when its tidied up. Its a bit of a rough one at the moment.
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Wessa Go to E-bay UK, type in Ford Sapphire Cosworth coolant tank and carparts-express Will come up.They have genuine Ford new plastic coolant tanks for £75.50p.
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Originally Posted by cossynut2
Wessa Go to E-bay UK, type in Ford Sapphire Cosworth coolant tank and carparts-express Will come up.They have genuine Ford new plastic coolant tanks for £75.50p.
Thanks mate, although mine looks different to that one.
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Originally Posted by Wessa
Thanks mate, although mine looks different to that one.
Try this www.fordpartsuk.com part no 1659805 £60.51 inc vat.
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Originally Posted by Wessa
Hi All,


So, im soon to pick up on Friday an imported pretty standard running Cossie from the UK. It came to New Zealand in 2006.
I know its been chipped and thats about it. Not sure what colour the injectors are..


What would be your suggessted upgrades be and why? I am open to suggested upgrades for future maintenance and not just shinny bits

Im going to scourse most of the parts from Gary at RS Classics. If you can suggest other good resources, please let me have them.
hello wessa im ray from the uk im trying to get in touch with a chap called philip oliver he.s from new zealand he used to inport sierra cosworths from my freind who allso lives in the uk in the late 90/early 2000 i wounder if yours was one of them sorry this is nothing to do with your thread my freind must of sent about twenty cossies down there ranging from rs 500 to 2wd/4wd i allso have a 2wd saff there is so much you can do to them this chap philip is a smashing bloke would be about fifty now any help would be great could you pass this on to a cossie site if theres such thing thanks ray

Thanks in advance Fella's.


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hello wessa im ray from the uk im trying to get hold of a chap called philip oliver he used to inport sierra cosworths from my freind who allso lives in the uk philip comes from new zealand in the late 90/early 2000 i wounder if yours was one of them im sorry this nothing to do with your thread my freind must have sent twenty ranging from rs 500/2wd/4wd philip is a smashing bloke would be about fifty any help would be great could you pass on this to a cossie forum down there if theres such thing but we fear the worst because theres no reason for him not to get in touch i allso run a 2wd saff theres so much you can do to them thanks in advance there must be owners down yours that still have them who bought of philip
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ive just read the hole thread wessa looks like you got a clean one there white is a good colour diamond white i would imagane you say there,s a cossie specalist you no of in nz if you could give us more info on that woul great thanks looking at your actuator it looks like it could be up ratted one if thats the case are you shore its not chipped thats a common up grade with stg 1 chip
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Originally Posted by cossynut2
Try this www.fordpartsuk.com part no 1659805 £60.51 inc vat.

Thanks mate. I have asked a good friend of mine who works for Dagenham Motors who i have just asked to check out what he can get for me cossie wise.


Good to have a ford link though


Cheers.
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Originally Posted by lesley7
ive just read the hole thread wessa looks like you got a clean one there white is a good colour diamond white i would imagane you say there,s a cossie specalist you no of in nz if you could give us more info on that woul great thanks looking at your actuator it looks like it could be up ratted one if thats the case are you shore its not chipped thats a common up grade with stg 1 chip

I will pull the ecu out at some stage and see if the chip is original. The way it drives, it seems standard.


Here are the details of the Cossie specialist here in NZ
http://www.lodgeautocentre.co.nz/cosworth.html


Cheers.
Old 12-12-2016, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lesley7
hello wessa im ray from the uk im trying to get hold of a chap called philip oliver he used to inport sierra cosworths from my freind who allso lives in the uk philip comes from new zealand in the late 90/early 2000 i wounder if yours was one of them im sorry this nothing to do with your thread my freind must have sent twenty ranging from rs 500/2wd/4wd philip is a smashing bloke would be about fifty any help would be great could you pass on this to a cossie forum down there if theres such thing but we fear the worst because theres no reason for him not to get in touch i allso run a 2wd saff theres so much you can do to them thanks in advance there must be owners down yours that still have them who bought of philip
Ray, im sure mine may have been one of his as there are not that many here. As you can imagine, NZ is a big place but also small towns are very small town here. I have only just got hold of my Cossie and don't really know the Cossie community yet but if you have anymore information where he lives etc i could do some searching for you for sure, no worries.
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Re the expansion tank, yours is a 2wd and the tanks on eBay for 60-70 quid are 4x4 tanks which you can fit but you need the adapter hose kit for an extra 20 quid I think. I thought about changing mine but decided to stick with until it leaks. The 2wd ones pop up on eBay now and then for comical prices. I think one made £1500 earlier this year!
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Originally Posted by JasonPD
Re the expansion tank, yours is a 2wd and the tanks on eBay for 60-70 quid are 4x4 tanks which you can fit but you need the adapter hose kit for an extra 20 quid I think. I thought about changing mine but decided to stick with until it leaks. The 2wd ones pop up on eBay now and then for comical prices. I think one made £1500 earlier this year!

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