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Old Apr 9, 2018 | 11:06 AM
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My 2010 Focus 2.0 tdci has developed a fault.

I don't use the car very often which is probably not good for it, but went to start it after about 2 weeks since its last use and all of the lights (internal dash and external) started flashing uncontrollably and could hear a relay clicking. The car wouldn't start so took off the battery and charged it.
Put the battery back on and the car started fine, went back to it within the hour to go somewhere and totally dead.
Charged the battery again yesterday, battery reading 12v, put on car and as soon as the battery was connected I checked the voltage again and was reading less than 3v and dropping rapidly.
I removed every relay next to the battery one by one hoping to find a faulty one but no luck. (I did this as a few months back I did hear a relay randomly clicking while driving which I removed and put back in which solved that problem)
The battery is only just over 3 years old, a superbatt 100.
Any obvious things I need to look for?
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Old Apr 9, 2018 | 11:12 AM
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Sounds like the battery is knackered, even if it's indicating full on your charger, a dead cell will give these problems.
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Old Apr 9, 2018 | 12:02 PM
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When I disconnect the battery the voltage does show 12v again though.
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Old Apr 9, 2018 | 12:05 PM
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Nothing can suck 9v out of a battery as soon as you bolt it on like that.. Dead cells in the battery giving a false read under no load (off the car) IMO

3yrs is about the expected life on a lowend battery
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Old Apr 9, 2018 | 12:07 PM
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I'm inclined to agree with Richie.

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Old Apr 9, 2018 | 12:07 PM
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Yeah I thought that odd. I'll give it a go on my motorbike optimate charger first then get onto where I had the battery as it has a 4 year warranty supposedly.
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Old Apr 9, 2018 | 12:22 PM
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If it has a bad cell then no charger in the world will recover it. Time to use the warranty I reckon!
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Old Apr 9, 2018 | 12:25 PM
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Yeah I know what you mean, not trying to recover a battery with a dead cell obviously (if that is the cause) just wanted to see if that confirms it's knackered. I've used my car battery charger previously which is just basic.
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Old Apr 10, 2018 | 01:54 PM
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Checked for any current drain today and it's reading about 23amps. Why would that be?
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Old Apr 10, 2018 | 02:35 PM
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Pull a fuse at a time whilst watching the multimeter. You'll soon isolate the circuit sucking the amps.

Are you sure its 23amps? Thats alot!
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Old Apr 10, 2018 | 02:52 PM
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Yeah 23amps, the lead was getting hot within seconds. Obviously I can't do the fuse pulling method like that. I was wondering if somehow it could be the starter or something causing that kind of current. Obviously I've no idea hence why I'm confused and on here 😫
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Old Apr 10, 2018 | 09:57 PM
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Could be alternator, disconnect the main live from the alt and recheck your draw
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Old Apr 10, 2018 | 10:05 PM
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Thanks, I'll give it a try.
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Old Apr 11, 2018 | 12:33 AM
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Thanks, I'll give it a try.
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Old Apr 11, 2018 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by GVK.
Could be alternator, disconnect the main live from the alt and recheck your draw
Second this, it could be something like faulty rectification, essentially the alternator is trying to act a motor.

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Old Apr 12, 2018 | 04:56 PM
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Right I've eliminated the battery, it's definitely not the fault.
The battery draw is 25 amps I kid you not, the lead on my meter gets hot.
I disconnected the connector from the alternator but exactly the same. Was that the one to remove or is there another lead going to it that I've missed.
I've removed the relays thinking maybe one is stuck shut but still nothing.
Apart from removing all fuses one at a time (which I'll do when I've got time) is there any obvious circuit that could be pulling that current? As I originally said after charging the battery the car started fine but totally dead when I went back to it within the hour.
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Old Apr 12, 2018 | 05:25 PM
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You need to remove the heavy live from the alt (will be a thick wire with a 10 or 13mm nut holding it on the alt), not the small smart charge connector that will have 2 or 3 small pins

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Old Apr 12, 2018 | 05:38 PM
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Yes follow the main live cable from the battery, it should go down to the alternator and then from there along to the starter ( or the other way round)
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Old Apr 12, 2018 | 08:46 PM
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remove it wrap it with insulating tape to prevent a dead short!!
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Old May 13, 2018 | 05:33 PM
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Am I right in thinking that this is the egr valve at the back of the engine with the electrical connector on? I went to remove the pipe on the left and coolant came out which led me to think that maybe it's the thermostat.

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Old May 13, 2018 | 07:18 PM
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Problem solved!!!
as I was looking around the front of the engine I noticed that the bottom vacuum pipe in the pic had come off, I had obviously disturbed it when doing the alternator, pushed on and car is now back to full power. Relieved!!!
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Old May 24, 2018 | 06:01 PM
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did you solve current issue? if not star by fuses rated upwards of 20a if it where on a 20a circuit fuse would be blown.at least that's ,y take on it, though not sure how fast they blow, but considering its being drawn on connection i'm guessing a nice spark comes when connecting terminals..... might be worth checking engine fan/ac comp circuit maybe as i recall theyre likely high current
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