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Old 06-08-2014, 09:01 AM
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I have a left hand drive Mk2 escort 1.3 ghir and have fitted Prinsess 4 pot calipers up front with Capri Disks, in preparation for a engine swap
I have also fitted 3 new braided hoses and a couple of brake lines that looked suspect, but now I have very low peddle biting, I have bled the whole system with a power bleeder but its still soft
So I can only presume that I need to swap the servo or master cylinder or both.
Any ideas?????

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I think you are correct in that you may have to fit a bigger master cylinder, as you are now trying to move 8 pistons as opposed to the 4 pistons in your old calipers, and the 8 might have more surface area requiring more fluid for the same distance travelled?

I'm sure there is a ratio calculator somewhere on the net, or a more knowledgeable person will be along to verify our thoughts
Old 06-08-2014, 11:54 AM
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Or you have not bled all the air out!!

If you pump the pedal does it bite higher?
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Either air in the system or as i found when i fitted AP's with 4 large pistons the master cylinder needed to be changed.
More fluid was required to fill the bigger pistons, i did have a pedal box with no servo on mine.
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Im sure its going to be a master cylinder problem
any ideas where I can get a bigger M/C
Can I pull one off any other kind ford or will it have to be off a Mk2 escort? if so any idea what model coz I thought they all used M16 calipers so wont the M/C be the same????

Cheers Scott

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Old 06-08-2014, 03:44 PM
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I think its all down to ratio. Have you tried rallydesign? They used to sell Princess 4 pots, so they may know what MC you will require. Have been very helpful over the phone in the past.

http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/
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Originally Posted by Icurus
I think its all down to ratio. Have you tried rallydesign? They used to sell Princess 4 pots, so they may know what MC you will require. Have been very helpful over the phone in the past.

http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/
Ill give them a bell in the morning had loads of stuff of them for this car

Cheers Steve
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R.A.C.E. in stoke is where i got mine they will advise also
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I think I might have got to the bottom of the problem

I jumped in the car the other morning and started the car and pressed the peddle a couple of times and the travel was about half way down and firm every time i pressed the peddle, peddle wasn't creeping up so im sure no air is getting in but I did have the handbrake on so im thinking the rear shoes need adjusting??? I'll try again with the handbrake off before I start to see if the peddle sinks to the bottom when pressed.

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Think the RS2000 one is bigger and should do the job or perhaps a 2.8 capri if it will fit.
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I have brakes woop woop
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