PeterD

Guys does anybody know if there's any difference between the I4 found in the mk6 RS2000 and the I4 in the later (bull ayed frog) granada's?

Just back from a rumage at the scrappy and there's an abundance of I4's there just their in granada's and only one RS is lying about.

What anyone know what their like for turbo charging? no zetec's im afraid

dojj

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nothing at all other than the inlet manifolds/exhausts being designed for rwd applications

bolt into a sierra rather well and, if you get the 2.3 version, they pack a pretty punch as well

PeterD

Dojj i was thinking the very thing mate but couldn't be too sure fella

the 2.3 was the galaxy motor if im right and its pretty much a bottom end swap i think (correct me if im wrong right enough), i was thinking about the S1 as it cant be a bad base with 150bhp out the box??

dont know about pistons and rods though because the zetec turbo gear can be relativley cheap from the states but i dont know how big they are or I4's

i was gonna sell my S1 but the work situ is changing for the better so i can afford a bit of a resto and a project, just think think this would be different and a bit of a challange

right im off to the gym cos im a skinny coont

kitchy

the 2L in the scorpio is slightly less powerful than the one in the RS2000 i think there might be a difference in the cams aswell as the inlet and exhaust manifolds, the oil dipstick is probably also in a different location for the rwd, as for the 2.3 in the galaxy or scorpio that produces lots more torque than the 2L and a 2.3 galaxy or scorpio using the RS2000 inlet and exhaust and cams with slightly skimmed head to raise the compression ration can see about over 170 in bhp and torque, as for turbo charging it can be done there was a guy that built a 2.3 RS2000 turbo and that made 300bhp at 12psi, also the standard RS2000 engine could probably be used to give 200bhp with standard internals and a low pressure turbo

kitchy

this might help you

http://www.fordscorpio.co.uk/engdata16v.htm

there is also loads of information about the RS2000 engine on www.rs2000-16v.co.uk, loads of conversion have been done over there

dojj

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the engines are basicly the same
but the blocks are tapped for either rwd of fwd applications so if you get one, get one from the correct vehicle

you also need to think about losing the balancer shafts on the fwd cars and bolting on a normal sump, but then you have to find somethng to blank the oil feed hole to the balancers and add a bit of the block where it's been relived for them to fit into
everything else will just bolt into place and you can then use the rs2k cams and away you go

edis is going to be a simple thing to arrange as they fire coil packs in the head rather than seperate so all you need is a driver or megasquirt it (or use the rs2k loom with bigger injectors)

It's Czech Mate

I'm sure Kenny at MSD did a mean i4 turbo a while back, may be worth picking his brain?

kitchy

oh shit i totally forgot to slate the I4 for being heavy and older than a zetec

Cawood

sure the 2.3 galaxy I4 motors are only about 135bhp, just a lot more torquey

as mentioned above, to get the best out of them you need to mix n match the 2 engines, galaxy bottom end with RS2k head i think

PeterD

cheers for the link kitchy, interesting reading

Matts16001 your spot on mate he did and im sure they'll be hearing from me if i go ahead

however the body needs a resto first, so ill need to get that underway but thats next year stuff now.

Ill take a poke about on sr2k.com for the mix n match

dojj

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rs2k cams are also found in the normal scorpio 2.0 engines

apparently they have the same part numbers

PeterD

quality dojj, any idea what this would be like to drive?

I've got 230bhp on my car now and the boost kinda thumps in so its a hold on tight affair but the tyres do scrabble so im thinking it might be futile trying to get more power down above the 250 mark which is where ill be aiming for

Turbo Zetec

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www.rs2000-16v.org

i'd use a zetec though... purely for the fact i can sell you an st170 head!

PeterD

Signed up

need to do the resto first and that'll be after i go florida in may

dojj

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go and find jim christie (i think he posts here as the crust ?) as i sold him a 2.3 bottom end for his 2.3 project
he bolted a dohc 8 valve twinky head to it and, with a bit of a drop in cr (with the normal set up it's 10.8:1 ) he's got a set of cams in there plus a bit of a chipped ecu and bigger injectors and it makes 170 brake and 170 lb/ft for not much effort
2.0 economy, 2.9V6 power and torque, the best of both worlds and not a bit of forced induction in sight

and it's got a set of sloppy pistons, but more on that from the man himself i think

Mark V8

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2.3 turbo



Low comp JE pistons from TTS




Arrow rods



Same engine before the turbo running GSXR bodies





Mark

costina

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145 bhp and over 200 lb ft according to my galaxy manual

Kenny from MSD done a RS2000 turbo conversion..

Hmmm Turbo my Galaxy now thats an idea

Paul

Munch

do it!

PeterD

cracking pics mark

couple of questions

what CR did the pistons give mate? and are the manifolds custom jobbies, im suspecting the exh may poss be

and lastly what type of management, im assuming its not a case of whacking something like OFAB on?

Many thanks pal

Pete

(nipping out but ill catch this up when i get back )

PeterD

im thinking caramel galaxy

Mark V8

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Around 8.0:1 for the pistons

Manifold was a nissan 200 with a new flange welded on

Emerald management

You REALLY need to log on to RS2000-16v.com and ask for info about Jason/Lord Vaders car

Mark

Munch

its all about Wispa's now mate

PeterD

Ive just finished reading the whole thread

cracking piece of work

ill poke my nose about a bit later when i get back

thecrust

2.3 8v



169bhp and 171lb ft of torque. Not a lot when measured with a cosworth yardstick, but it's XR V6 power with 2.0 weight and economy.

And yes, as Dojj said - sloppy pistons because I was a muppet and over-honed the bores when I fitted new rings. Sounds like a knackered diesel when it's cold but OK after a few minutes.

It pulls like a train compared to what it did as even a modified 2.0, so can't grumble - especially as it cost me less to build than reconning the 2.0 that was in there already.

dojj

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Lucid

are you thinking of putting it into the S1?

if so, you won't be able to close the bonnet as the engine sits a fair way forward in the engine bay compared to the cvh lump and it sits tall as well
if you remove the vent on the drivers side on the S2's the corner of the cam cover pokes out the top

just in case you were wondering that is, better to let you know before you start building the thing and are about to spanner it into place

Bungle

Which is why bonnet raiser do actually come in handy

Finpower

Hello everyone !

Galaxy/Scorpion 2,3i motor to Mk1 or MK2 Escort 68-80.

Anybody doing fun like this.

Thanks to all

dojj

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but they raise the back of the bonnet, not the front

dojj

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Finpower
it's a doable project, but speak to jim about the intracacies of working the sump to lose the countershafts

thecrust

Not sure if you'd need to on a Mk.1/2 Escy - the only reason I took the balancers out and nailed on the Sierra sump onto mine was because I didn't have time to bugger about with the engine going in and out while I modded the 2.3 sump to clear the Sierra steering rack and crossmember.

And, now I know about it, the starter thing with the 2.3 sump / Sierra MT75 box would have been a bitch to find out about at the last minute too.

If Finpower is retaining the type B / N / 9 box he should be able to find a bellhousing with the starter aperture on the correct side so swapping the sump wouldn't be strictly necessary unless the crossmember clearance became an issue.

RSturboJET

RS 2000 had 10.3:1 comp. Scorpio had 9.8:1 and different manifolds. That made them 14ps down. Cams are the same in both but internals have been modified in scorpio for better cooling, strength, etc.

møffe

crust. wath´s the diffrence between a scorpio 2,3 and a galaxy2,3 ? i got a wery cheap galaxy engine on my hands. but cant i use it then i wont buy it.

dojj

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you've got different tapped holes and stuff for the mounts on the fwd compared to the rwd from what jim was saying, but without actually comparing the lumps side by side it's impossible to tell

all i know is that the rwd lumps weren't fitable in the fwd rs2k's according to the guys who were trying them

thecrust

I think the engine mount holes are there, just not necessarily tapped so you'll need to address that.

The dipstick holes are also in different locations, but that's relatively easy to sort out too - block one up, drill another in the right place. Job jobbed.

After that you just need an appropriate sump for your application to clear any crossmember or wot-not.

Other than that, I believe the FWD and RWD engine block castings are the same. There was one guy over on RS2000-16v.net who was putting a scorpio 2.3 block in his RS but haven't been over in a while to see if he got it finished or not.

møffe

and thats the problem i my head. if i know my ford parts korektly. then theay dont just change things becourse its for fwd/rwd.. så thanx. now my mate just have go get home from newsealand and sell me that engine.. LOL.. 2,3 8V with TB´s and my other stuff.. have to be fun..

thecrust

Got to be good for a giggle Moffe - I discovered that with mine running on Megasquirt it stopped knocking like a shagged diesel for those first few minutes when it's cold.

Got to be that the 2.3 doesn't suit the standard Sierra 2.0 ECU and it's either det or pinking something rotten which is causing that noise on cold.

Under megasquirt it don't do it whatsoever - perhaps my bores aren't fooked after all!