M4DRST "The Trolley" - Ford Fair 2013
16-06-2011, 02:40 PM
#3684
Why are you posting photos of a 1980's Type BC box next to a Focus RS box I dont have either of them.... 
My box looks likes this.....
Not a 30 year old box that shit's itself with 150hp
I know a few MTX Box's that have failed, I believe im maybe the lucky first who has broken a ST170 ( Getrag MT285 Gearbox )
My box looks likes this.....
Not a 30 year old box that shit's itself with 150hp
I know a few MTX Box's that have failed, I believe im maybe the lucky first who has broken a ST170 ( Getrag MT285 Gearbox )
16-06-2011, 02:41 PM
#3685
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I know that Stuart Meads with the mini is running 9's with a ST170 Turbo engine but he is running a GM hydromatic auto box from the states
4T80e
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_4T80_transmission
4T80e
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_4T80_transmission
Last edited by AustenW; 16-06-2011 at 02:45 PM.
16-06-2011, 02:55 PM
#3687
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I think there are a few guys who have destroyed them in the big bhp cars (970bhp)
Do a search on the web for Noble Forums, you may find a solution there
All the serious UK drag FWD guys have problems with gearboxes breaking
The only proven option is an auto GM box or to try a tractive sequential which would be expensive if it let go (Ł12k)
Last edited by AustenW; 16-06-2011 at 02:58 PM.
16-06-2011, 03:12 PM
#3689
They use the ST170 box in the Noble M400 with quaife internals
I think there are a few guys who have destroyed them in the big bhp cars (970bhp)
Do a search on the web for Noble Forums, you may find a solution there
All the serious UK drag FWD guys have problems with gearboxes breaking
The only proven option is an auto GM box or to try a tractive sequential which would be expensive if it let go (Ł12k)
I think there are a few guys who have destroyed them in the big bhp cars (970bhp)
Do a search on the web for Noble Forums, you may find a solution there
All the serious UK drag FWD guys have problems with gearboxes breaking
The only proven option is an auto GM box or to try a tractive sequential which would be expensive if it let go (Ł12k)
People use the Focus RS because its readily available and fairly easy to install however I have opted for a 6speed box as I want the best of everything the main purpose of this car is for the track BUT I do like to try my hand at a bit of everything
Now with the new internals I have, its quick on track and strip and will pull a stonking top end when needed.
Also has taken the power for the last 6 months when used and engages as fast as a sequential box.
HOWEVER it has broken!.. this is not down to the power ripping the box to death or the gears etc.
It broke because the car tramped so severely and more than likely the mounts were not sufficient OR in fact too rigid that they stayed intact, so ripped the casing.
16 runs on track near on one straight after the other and the 16th it failed Here is a little video to show the tramp, check the bonnet out to see how much it was tramping and smashing the front end.
I would put my money on any box breaking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn5VkrX_2NU
16-06-2011, 03:41 PM
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Oh dear sorry to hear that!! Can you strap the casing at all? Once you've sorted the internals I suppose the pressures then on the casing, ive heard of a few people strapping casings!
Has it wiped the gear set out aswell?
Has it wiped the gear set out aswell?
16-06-2011, 04:24 PM
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Why are you posting photos of a 1980's Type BC box next to a Focus RS box I dont have either of them....
My box looks likes this.....
Not a 30 year old box that shit's itself with 150hp
I know a few MTX Box's that have failed, I believe im maybe the lucky first who has broken a ST170 ( Getrag MT285 Gearbox )
My box looks likes this.....
Not a 30 year old box that shit's itself with 150hp
I know a few MTX Box's that have failed, I believe im maybe the lucky first who has broken a ST170 ( Getrag MT285 Gearbox )
16-06-2011, 04:32 PM
#3693
Gutted to see the failure mate, we have all been there ay it's just endless spending!
Had to laugh at the video though,
"That's the gearbox gone!..................BOLLOX"
You could see in your eyes you were pricing it up in your head straight away
Had to laugh at the video though,
"That's the gearbox gone!..................BOLLOX"
You could see in your eyes you were pricing it up in your head straight away
16-06-2011, 09:47 PM
#3695
Been looking into causes further tonight.....
On the later Focus engines and boxes the sump pan actually bolts to the lower section of the box forming a brace/support. However, due to having dry sump pan this doesn't tie in at all with the box. This could have contributed to the break in the casing.
Looking at fitting a zetec sump back on (top half) and using a new dry sump set up which bolts onto this. The first kit should be ready next week all being well.
This will also be a huge help for anyone ith a zetec wanting to fit a zetec dry sump kit.
This will then see the lower section of the gearbox bolted upto sump pan which has extra bracing
On the later Focus engines and boxes the sump pan actually bolts to the lower section of the box forming a brace/support. However, due to having dry sump pan this doesn't tie in at all with the box. This could have contributed to the break in the casing.
Looking at fitting a zetec sump back on (top half) and using a new dry sump set up which bolts onto this. The first kit should be ready next week all being well.
This will also be a huge help for anyone ith a zetec wanting to fit a zetec dry sump kit.
This will then see the lower section of the gearbox bolted upto sump pan which has extra bracing
17-06-2011, 09:01 AM
#3697
Not having the original sump pan that ties into the block/box could have caused the break!.... or at least made it weaker.
Picking this up tonight and the dry sump pan will be re-modified with a new design a good friend is working on.
17-06-2011, 03:47 PM
#3703
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To be fair yours ran till the very end though!!!! FUNNY AS!! Still went like a bat out of hell even with a knackered piston
You defo need to go zetec stu mate, if you put the amount of effort into one of them as you have with your 1600 then you would be up there with snuggly bunny honey cockle luca!! but yours did sound the nuts when you were blipping up and down the car park, and your last event was epic!!!
Crazygage has pretty much knackered a few syncro's i think, or at least after 2 years of constant thrashing it became a lot slower to change gear, but thats all.
You defo need to go zetec stu mate, if you put the amount of effort into one of them as you have with your 1600 then you would be up there with snuggly bunny honey cockle luca!! but yours did sound the nuts when you were blipping up and down the car park, and your last event was epic!!!
Crazygage has pretty much knackered a few syncro's i think, or at least after 2 years of constant thrashing it became a lot slower to change gear, but thats all.
17-06-2011, 04:26 PM
#3704
1/4 mile beasty!!!!
To be fair yours ran till the very end though!!!! FUNNY AS!! Still went like a bat out of hell even with a knackered piston
You defo need to go zetec stu mate, if you put the amount of effort into one of them as you have with your 1600 then you would be up there with snuggly bunny honey cockle luca!! but yours did sound the nuts when you were blipping up and down the car park, and your last event was epic!!!
Crazygage has pretty much knackered a few syncro's i think, or at least after 2 years of constant thrashing it became a lot slower to change gear, but thats all.
You defo need to go zetec stu mate, if you put the amount of effort into one of them as you have with your 1600 then you would be up there with snuggly bunny honey cockle luca!! but yours did sound the nuts when you were blipping up and down the car park, and your last event was epic!!!
Crazygage has pretty much knackered a few syncro's i think, or at least after 2 years of constant thrashing it became a lot slower to change gear, but thats all.
ps crack on with you fez!!!!!!!
17-06-2011, 05:09 PM
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Seriously gutted for you once again Luke, but I can't help but piss myself at the video, man you look too calm for comfort when you break something 
17-06-2011, 05:17 PM
#3707
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what times did you do then luca , or is it all top secert
soz to hear about the box mate and iam sure you will be back very soon
pm me times if you want
cheers paul
soz to hear about the box mate and iam sure you will be back very soon
pm me times if you want
cheers paul
17-06-2011, 08:01 PM
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Gutted, you do look amazingly calm about it all though, id be a little more annoyed than that or at least show it a bit more anyways !
good luck in the rebuild
good luck in the rebuild
Really enjoying it.
17-06-2011, 09:42 PM
#3710
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Sounds like you might have reached the limit of the ST170 box
Speak with these guys
http://www.noblemotorsport.co.uk/pag...ed-Gearbox.php
Speak with these guys
http://www.noblemotorsport.co.uk/pag...ed-Gearbox.php
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18-06-2011, 07:11 AM
#3713
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Isn't he related to the guy who makes the Noble cars?
They do alot of development on the Noble supercars I believe which use the mondeo v6 engine and sT170 gearbox
18-06-2011, 05:18 PM
#3717
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thats right luca and i think that when they changed to the st170 they had there own gear kit commissioned but i dont know who made it.
cheers paul
cheers paul
19-06-2011, 10:20 AM
#3718
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I thought the main man who "was" there was related to the chap who makes the noble cars but i belive it was taken over a couple of years ago so not sure weather that bloke still is part of it.yes they do lots of developments on the engines.the lads seem really nice bunch only ever really spoken to them if there parked up outside are workshop if there going to collect some parts but know a few people who have used them and have been very happy
19-06-2011, 10:43 AM
#3719
Getrag list ten 6 speed box gearboxes so this is why Im pretty confident it is not the st170 box they use.
