DazC

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Would he be working out piston deck height to calculate exact TDC so he can time the cams in once te head is on? Save messing about with extensions etc to work it out after the head is on.

DazC

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I can't remember what Zetec cams are like, whether they are dowled, woodruff keyed or just tapered fit pulleys though. If it is still dowled or woodruff keyed then it's pointless to work out exact TDC.

J1mbo

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I don't know, I'd do that once the head is on personally, I thought maybe piston out top on the block but we use a bar across the piston, so couldn't think what else it would be!

jamie's

cam pulleys are tapered
i'd have put the timig belt on the otherway round too,
just a pet hate of mine when the writings the wrong way round, but i'm just weird,
good work anyhow mate

J1mbo

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Haha I like to see that too

DazC

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But putting the belt on the right way is good mechanical practice. I was taught that if there is no arrow on the belt to indicate the front of the engine then fit the belt so the writing is the correct way up so you can read it.

jamie's

i know that(been a mechanic for14 yrs)
like the old 18d belts, they had arrows pointing direction if rotation(made the writing face the proper way)
i just didnt want to make it sound like the guy hadn't built it right(same as jimbo was hinting at as well)
but now that you've said it fair enough lol
but i've also seen many many belts fitted like this and not fail prematurely so should be ok

DazC

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I'm like you. 15 years in the trade and seen loads the wrong way that have never failed but again probably like you, prefer to stick with what we're taught just in case anything happens!

jamie's

i'm sure it'll be fine

Rikochet

I'm sure Chaffe knows what he's doing lads. As far as I know he's self taught so didn't have some pedantic old mentor from the dark ages telling him which way up the writing needs to be on belts. Lol.

jamie's

there is a right and wrong
i was simply trying to helpout

i like that pedantic old mentor bit, made me laught
but seriously you belts on the wrong way round lol

chaffe

Finding exact tdc

Rikochet

Ha ha. I got your post e-mailed to me which was obviously pre-edited. Glad you changed it though as i wasn't trying to offend i was just referring to what you had been saying to the other guy who was posting on here. Chaffe has done a great job and if the belt is on the wrong way he'll be quick to change it over. Merry Christmas.

clarke5700

lololol

J1mbo

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How do you know it hasn't moved a touch whilst placing head on etc? I suppose if you Mark it, it would be close enough but id always do it last of all, each to their own though,

jamie's

yeah i posted it then realised i was being a bit of a prick, so thought i'd best change it
sorry about that, to quick to fly off the handlefor me

jamie's

out of curiosity,
i take it its running off standard fiesta turbo management?
if so what you gonna do about mapping it?
as you prob know theres not many places will map it, no where in scotland anyhow,
so are you just gonna get it running off standard injectors etc to get it up and running?
then deal with either aftermarket or cossy management etc?
if your keeping it standard ecu injectors etc then dont wind the boos up and go mad with it,
they dont like it, the extra capacity and crap ecu's are bad for leaning out and melting,
if going cossy l6 or l8, let me know, got a few looms etc lying in garage, can help you convert it

Rikochet

No worries mate I appreciate that!

Ah well Chaffe I suppose that PHD in Engineering will just have to suffice eh?

Rikochet

I haven't really decided about management yet. I've been told it will run on the FRST management which I plan to use just to get it running. Was thinking about going the Megasquirt route but I'm open to suggestions? Cost is the major factor here so I'd just like the best I can get on a budget. I would like something that I can use when making mods to the engine later on without too much hassle.

jamie's

cossy stuff works fine, but if you got the budget then megasquirt will be a little better,
wont make any differance to power just means that you can get the map adjusted localy after any mods, theres no where up here that does cossy mapping either,
your car will run ok with the fiesta stuff, just the standard injectors are only trying to fuel a 1600 not a 2000, whatever pressure the map sensor reads it'll
adjust thinking its a 1600, so if held at high revs/high boost it will lean out and can detonate/melt piston,
how thick was the spacer plate used? just cause you said it was uber thick
its quite a drop going down to 7.5-1

Rikochet

It's a 2mm plate! Is there anywhere that could do me a chip for the FRST ECU that would enable me to use it? I've heard of people sending them away to Ahmed Bayjoo but I don't know if that's suitable for this application.

If I did go the Cossie route I take it that it's better than FRST as it's already set up for 2.0?

What exactly would I need to buy and how much is it likely to set me back?

MJ_RST

Where have you tried like??

Ava Turbo in glasgow does cossie mapping

Pretty sure wallace performance does ford also

Why not speak to Simon at Sitech, im sure hed help, he's not far from yas

jamie's

ava dont map weber marelli, or didnt couple years ago,
wallace dont either,
pretty sure sitech dont either,
thay all map aftermarket ecu's on cossy's but dont do the weber stuff,
unless of course they have bought the stuff in now,
i was talking to andy gallacher last year and he was saying that theres a gapin the market up her as nobody does it,
i told him to do it, but he said he wasn't to into the mapping side

jamie's

most tuners just dont like the fiesta ecu's
if you were to buy a loom all the sensors and ecu etc for a cossy conversion then buy a chip to run your spec,
you'll prob be in the same region as buying megasquirt or mtech v4 etc,
so prob best just going aftermarket,
my l8 in my cossy has msd stuff
closed loop, anti lag,
runs siemens 3 bar etc etc,
i've spent prob Ł600 adding to my spec and upgrading it etc,
the m tech v4 is around Ł550 and does the closed loop, anti lag etc as standard, can run both high and low imp injectors etc,
plus you'll be looking to run wasted spark so that'd be more again on the cossy ecu,
but again standard on the v4
if i was to build 1 from scratch again i think i'd change my ecu to aftermarket,
and just tweak the map it on the road if i mod'd it or change anyfin

Rikochet

Christ they don't make any of it simple do they? Suppose I'll just get the important bits done like getting the engine in and running before I worry about management. Chaffe is a fan of Megasquirt and he's my 'pedantic mentor' anyway so I'll probably go for that just for safety's sake.

jamie's

if he's mapping it then go with that,
best to stick with what you know
i like the m techv4, but i'm told thats just megasquirt with a differant label so same thing,
i'm actauly gonna get another, talking myself into changing my own management on this thread

Rikochet

Don't think he'll be mapping it but he'll definitely be giving me a few pointers. Think he's got an Emerald ECU on his 24V turbo which is meant to be a nice bit of kit. I'll have a look at the m tech stuff and see what it's all about.

macdoodle

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Hi mate just wondering what cambelt kit r u used and how much it was and also what torque setting is used on the head bolt's as im doing the same spec engine on mine many thank's

chaffe

Hi, are you using a silvertop escort pump in a black top block also? requires a bit of drilling and tapping, grinding and machining of the block to make it all fit together. This cam belt kit is a blacktop one, water pump is escort silvertop. Torque settings are std zetec spec, a quick google would give you them

macdoodle

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thank's chaffe for your help

boaby

so im guessing the engines now finished?

chaffe

in and running i belive

boaby

tut, thats as bad as getting a ride and not being allowed to shoot your load!

please dont start threads and not follow through folks.

XRT_si

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Is this engine still going?

E.Donegan

what was done with the return port in the sump