My ITB'd Mk2 XR2.0 project...
10-12-2011, 04:50 AM
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cam choice is a good one tbh mate iv heard nothing but good things about this spec cam on most cars should work well with the bodies not sure if you will see 20bhp from them but you never know
10-12-2011, 08:54 AM
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heres a graph from an escort with the same bodies, cams and exhaust manifold but with a 2.25'' exhaust system -
anything like that and ill be well chuffed!
yeh we'll see all down to the timing and the rolling road on the day isn it!
anything like that and ill be well chuffed!
yeh we'll see all down to the timing and the rolling road on the day isn it!
10-12-2011, 02:35 PM
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decided to throw the cams in, this is how it is atm until my locking pin arrives so i can do the timing spot on, atm it turns over by hand great but not gonna start it till i know the timing spot on standard
also managed to get my R888s swapped over as ive sold the pepperpots now
also managed to get my R888s swapped over as ive sold the pepperpots now
17-12-2011, 12:26 PM
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yeh back to Mikes, getting there for 9.30, think ill ask him to map it as it is and see what it makes with standard timing then see what he can squeeze out of it with altering the timing and tweaking the map to suit, can't wait!
17-12-2011, 12:35 PM
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he did exactly that with my old car when it was on 270s he called me to say what power it had made and stated he would be able get more by altering the timing a tad think it made another 8bhp 
17-12-2011, 02:49 PM
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oh and when you say piper 270s arnt actual 270 duration its just the model, and 285s arnt 285 duration either -
http://www.pipercams.co.uk/pipercams...n=8&engine=268
where as my newmans both are 270 duration and 10.79mm lift
17-12-2011, 02:53 PM
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done exactly that last time he mapped mine but squeezed an extra 17bhp as the timing was that far out as i done it by eye lol
oh and when you say piper 270s arnt actual 270 duration its just the model, and 285s arnt 285 duration either -
http://www.pipercams.co.uk/pipercams...n=8&engine=268
where as my newmans both are 270 duration and 10.79mm lift
oh and when you say piper 270s arnt actual 270 duration its just the model, and 285s arnt 285 duration either -
http://www.pipercams.co.uk/pipercams...n=8&engine=268
where as my newmans both are 270 duration and 10.79mm lift
17-12-2011, 02:54 PM
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17-12-2011, 02:58 PM
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haha always good to do your homework thats for sure, i went for pipers as they were proven on the k series.
should be very good when its mapped up you will love the extra grunt from the cam change
should be very good when its mapped up you will love the extra grunt from the cam change
19-12-2011, 03:07 PM
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made 180bhp with standard timing, advanced the inlet cam slightly and came away with 187bhp @ 6800rpm and 148lbs ft...
he said he couldve stretched 190bhp but didnt want to be to blame if anything went wrong i.e valves bending... so need the cams timing up with a DTI gauge to get the max out of them, also notched the limiter down to 7300rpm...
im happy it'll do for now got a list of things to do atm being brakes, starter, exhaust manifold need a braket welding to support it as im going to heatwrap it again, rocker cover breather moving position etc etc...
he said he couldve stretched 190bhp but didnt want to be to blame if anything went wrong i.e valves bending... so need the cams timing up with a DTI gauge to get the max out of them, also notched the limiter down to 7300rpm...
im happy it'll do for now got a list of things to do atm being brakes, starter, exhaust manifold need a braket welding to support it as im going to heatwrap it again, rocker cover breather moving position etc etc...
20-12-2011, 04:20 AM
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still a nice improvement fella, sometimes the figures on paper dont tell the whole story as they drive differently and have alot more grunt mid/top end.
you got any plans for headwork i know mikes prices are very reasonable
you got any plans for headwork i know mikes prices are very reasonable
20-12-2011, 10:03 AM
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the graphs got soaked yesturday in the pissin rain and from in the back of my car on the way home...
so instead of posting the graphs as theyre a mess i done the differences last night before and after, ill just post what its like now with the cams in as to the advanced standard 2l cams...
3000rpm - down 5bhp down 4 lbft
4000rpm - down 2bhp down 5 lb ft
5000rpm - same bhp down 7 lbft
5500rpm - down 5 bhp down 6 lft
6000rpm - same bhp and torque
6500rpm - gained 10bhp gained 8 lbft
7000rpm - gained 11bhp gained 8 lbft
7300rpm - same bhp gained 3 lbft
so as you can see its down basically all below 6000rpm than what it was before and all the gains are right at the top end, DEFO need the cams mapping right now lol!
no plans for any headwork unless something goes pop.
20-12-2011, 07:39 PM
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swapped my servo and mastercylinder today... old one removed -
new one fitted after altering and re-drilling the mounting bracket for the bottom 2 threads on the back of the servo and spacing the top 2 threads so the reservoir sits level, and bend the brake linesto suit the new positions -
then after topping up with fluid then went into the car to press the brake and noticed this -
no not that my interior floor is filthy... notice that my brake pedal is around 3'' lower that it should be, this is because after finding out after i fitted the servo and MC is that the bar that comes out of the back of the servo is around 25mm shorter than the standard one, so had to remove it all again and now going upto my mates tomorrow to have that extended, i would mod the braket but thatd needed chopping and welding too and my fuel pressure regulator is mounted right behind the servo so to save moving that and removing the brackets ill just extend the servo bar 25mm.
new one fitted after altering and re-drilling the mounting bracket for the bottom 2 threads on the back of the servo and spacing the top 2 threads so the reservoir sits level, and bend the brake linesto suit the new positions -
then after topping up with fluid then went into the car to press the brake and noticed this -
no not that my interior floor is filthy... notice that my brake pedal is around 3'' lower that it should be, this is because after finding out after i fitted the servo and MC is that the bar that comes out of the back of the servo is around 25mm shorter than the standard one, so had to remove it all again and now going upto my mates tomorrow to have that extended, i would mod the braket but thatd needed chopping and welding too and my fuel pressure regulator is mounted right behind the servo so to save moving that and removing the brackets ill just extend the servo bar 25mm.
21-12-2011, 09:54 PM
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Read the whole thread start to finish and this is one truly amazing build you have. Unfortunate with the bits of bad luck that you've had but good on you for persevering and producing a cracking little car that will no doubt wipe the grin off some smug faces! Top build.
23-12-2011, 06:00 PM
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had the bar/fork extended on the back of the servo yesturday, all fitted up and brakes bled now and what a difference, press the peddle and boom, happy days!
also gave it a service after its had a hard years abuse changed the oil & filter and spark plugs!
24-12-2011, 03:30 PM
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Been upto a mates time my cams up with a DTI Gauge...
they wernt far out at all, inlet was 2.5degrees out exhaust was 4 degrees out... all back together defo feels a tad quicker now, proper screams its head off above 5000rpm, just need to try get it in with Mike to get the map tweaked to suit and see what shes producing now, dunno when tho as he doesnt open weekends.
also FRS disc hubcaps?
they wernt far out at all, inlet was 2.5degrees out exhaust was 4 degrees out... all back together defo feels a tad quicker now, proper screams its head off above 5000rpm, just need to try get it in with Mike to get the map tweaked to suit and see what shes producing now, dunno when tho as he doesnt open weekends.
also FRS disc hubcaps?
24-12-2011, 06:17 PM
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24-12-2011, 06:29 PM
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26-12-2011, 04:25 PM
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yeh mk1
cheers!
yeh maybe with your sick rims but not under baby 13s haha! yeh in the post as we type...
26-12-2011, 08:17 PM
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just read your thread from the beginning, must say that i'm impressed with the work you've achieved! You've been self critical, had a couple of knocks but brushed them off and you seem to have made a real machine!
I've been converting an orion to Zetec power and have looked through and found some inspiration, need to look into oil coolers for sure.
It's clear you've done a stirling job, definately prefer it in a more stealthy road guise.
Good work dude!
I've been converting an orion to Zetec power and have looked through and found some inspiration, need to look into oil coolers for sure.
It's clear you've done a stirling job, definately prefer it in a more stealthy road guise.
Good work dude!
04-01-2012, 09:48 PM
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just read your thread from the beginning, must say that i'm impressed with the work you've achieved! You've been self critical, had a couple of knocks but brushed them off and you seem to have made a real machine!
I've been converting an orion to Zetec power and have looked through and found some inspiration, need to look into oil coolers for sure.
It's clear you've done a stirling job, definately prefer it in a more stealthy road guise.
Good work dude!
I've been converting an orion to Zetec power and have looked through and found some inspiration, need to look into oil coolers for sure.
It's clear you've done a stirling job, definately prefer it in a more stealthy road guise.
Good work dude!
Thanks, gotta be the best reply ive had so far
i wouldnt get an oil cooler unless going on track, the oil NEVER goes over 85-90 on the road, maybe as the thermostat in the sandwich plate opens at 80degrees and starts to cool, either way id say it still wouldnt go over 100 max without a cooler.
Mapping booked at RS Tuning in Leeds for next saturday now the cams are timed up bang on... im going to RS Tuning this time for a few reasons, i cant take a day off in the week and Mikeanics arnt open weekends and also id like to have it mapped there as they're known for being spot on using Dyno Dynamics Rollers where as Mikeanics are a tad optamistic... the car's always smelt like its ran rich tbh so we'll see next saturday
06-01-2012, 04:55 AM
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good choice on going to rs tuning mate heard really good things about them especially in the renault scene, and with regards to your comment about the maps being rich i always fount mikes mapping to be on the rich side he must do it as a safety thing i suppose, and yes his rollers are a tad optimistic 
does he still use the old sun ones
does he still use the old sun ones
06-01-2012, 10:29 PM
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cheers mate!
yeh thats why im going there never heard a bad word, been there 5-6times in previous cars/rolling road days etc
dunno what they are but they're bloody old lol
good choice on going to rs tuning mate heard really good things about them especially in the renault scene, and with regards to your comment about the maps being rich i always fount mikes mapping to be on the rich side he must do it as a safety thing i suppose, and yes his rollers are a tad optimistic does he still use the old sun ones
does he still use the old sun onesdunno what they are but they're bloody old lol
07-01-2012, 07:20 PM
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yeh you'll be able to see them on pages 1 and 2 from all the times ive been there lol
got a heatermatrix this week, it arrived yesturday so thought id fit it today whilst it wasnt raining for once...
only took 15mins to change, when i re-bled it all i removed the hose that links back from the matrix into the lower rad hose off the waterpump until it was flowing out of the hose so then i knew the matrix was full... re-fitted the hose, bled the radiator with the bleed screw... then went in to check the new matrix before re-clipping up the dash... the matrix is all red-hot so thats good, but my heater is only a tad bit better...
maybe becasue of my thermostat which is a low temp 88degree one and i drilled 3x 5mm holes init for extra cooling/flow when on track... ideally think i just need a new stat then just drill one hole init but then the slight rise in coolant temp when on track hammering it will alsop rise the oil temp a tad so think im just going to leave it as it is tbh.
got a heatermatrix this week, it arrived yesturday so thought id fit it today whilst it wasnt raining for once...
only took 15mins to change, when i re-bled it all i removed the hose that links back from the matrix into the lower rad hose off the waterpump until it was flowing out of the hose so then i knew the matrix was full... re-fitted the hose, bled the radiator with the bleed screw... then went in to check the new matrix before re-clipping up the dash... the matrix is all red-hot so thats good, but my heater is only a tad bit better...
maybe becasue of my thermostat which is a low temp 88degree one and i drilled 3x 5mm holes init for extra cooling/flow when on track... ideally think i just need a new stat then just drill one hole init but then the slight rise in coolant temp when on track hammering it will alsop rise the oil temp a tad so think im just going to leave it as it is tbh.
13-01-2012, 04:02 PM
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Ordered some 10mm spacers that come with longer bolts from Rally Design earlier this week... arrived yesturday now fitted, 5mm vs 10mm -
fitted -
tried on a track wheel to see how it is with them on -
think ill stick to 3mm spacers on for track so the tyres clear the shocks (as they were rubbing ever so slightly at oulton in November without spacers on now ive set the camber to max) as i cba removeing the arches and modyfying to be able to run the 10mms on track.
RS Tuning Tomorrow!
fitted -
tried on a track wheel to see how it is with them on -
think ill stick to 3mm spacers on for track so the tyres clear the shocks (as they were rubbing ever so slightly at oulton in November without spacers on now ive set the camber to max) as i cba removeing the arches and modyfying to be able to run the 10mms on track.
RS Tuning Tomorrow!
13-01-2012, 05:14 PM
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just tap the arches in with a hammer lol!
you can't see them and then trim the kit back slightly.
that's all i have done with mine, although the new wheels are a little more problematic than first thought, 300lb springs going on sunday though
you can't see them and then trim the kit back slightly.
that's all i have done with mine, although the new wheels are a little more problematic than first thought, 300lb springs going on sunday though
13-01-2012, 10:21 PM
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... ive done a little more than tap them already before when getting scrubbing on track
if i come to refurb my suspension ill probs go for some 275 or 300lbs fronts too
14-01-2012, 05:42 AM
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good luck at rs tuning fella be interesting to see the results and what they say about mikes mapping, i remember doing 2 dyno days in my old mg zr and they both commented on how rich it was lol
14-01-2012, 04:07 PM
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so...
before and after, fuelling was very close to spot on, ignition was miles out he said it was dettin very slightly, so them sorted and my idle finally sorted we have -
power atw and AFR -
power and torque atf -
if i went back to Mikeanics without a doubt i recon itd be over 190bhp from the way it feels and drives now... just shows how much Rolling Roads are out...
either way im very happy, feels awesome, Bring on the first trackday of the year in 5 weeks!
before and after, fuelling was very close to spot on, ignition was miles out he said it was dettin very slightly, so them sorted and my idle finally sorted we have -
power atw and AFR -
power and torque atf -
if i went back to Mikeanics without a doubt i recon itd be over 190bhp from the way it feels and drives now... just shows how much Rolling Roads are out...
either way im very happy, feels awesome, Bring on the first trackday of the year in 5 weeks!