life as stated in the other threads grant due to his attitude and past history

 

The point I'm going to make is, while a member like Chip can require a little more moderating than other members... surely the value of his knowledge and technical help he brings to the forum far outweigh the extra time he requires on the rare occasion that a Moderator has to PM him about a comment he's made?

Do any of the other moderators not thing that banning him for what went on in the Mojangles Pistons thread is a bit excessive??

I've used Tank Mikes quote from his thread because he seems to have outlined the sequence of events pretty well:

Pretty sure some of the moderator team agree with this, personally I don't see why there was an issue with Chip's question... given that Mr Mojangles has solidly and numerously gone on about how wonderful his T4 turbo is and how he loves how lag-less it is. Maybe because Eagle isn't a regular user on here, he isn't aware of this and completely picked up the wrong end of the stick??

Rightly or wrongly, it's hardly the end of the world... people say far worse things on here without any repercussions??

Ridiculous moderating IMO... if someone intentionally winds you up, then you're going to react aren't you? That's no different in real life or the internet.

I think there needs to be serious questions asked in private moderatorland, because if this style of moderating continues then this place will go down the tubes and the only people left will be retarded fuckwits who have nothing valuable to add to the community.


Cheers,
Grant

 

so what you are saying is certain members should have special treatment
then on the other hand you want consistence in moderation

 

Christ almighty. That's an absolute joke, surely there must be some appeal process where people with a grip on reality in the Moderator/Admin team take a look at things and can modify the ban length??

If not, that's absolutely shocking... and I'm very surprised that someone as intelligent and level headed as Stu allows this site to be run in such a way.


Cheers,
Grant

 

grant you have no idea how moderation decisions are made please don't speculate
and make misguided assumptions

 

Not to the black and white degree you're implying Tone, where people get off scott free cause they've done an oil change for a mod or bought them a pint... and someone the mods have never met gets their arse reamed if they commit the same crime.

I think there needs to be a bit of common sense applied... for the greater good of the site if nothing else. Do you not agree??

If someone has been on the site for years, is a little abrasive at times but on the whole bounces around the forum engaging in banter and helping/sharing his technical knowledge... then I'd assume there might be a little leeway given in cases where they've over stepped the mark slightly*.

If someone boosts onto the site, posts shite, racks up a huge number of posts in a very short time, is abrasive towards other members, doesn't really seem to care about what they post, takes threads off topic and generally is a bit of a nuisance... then they're reminded of the rules. If those rules are abused further, then a black and white approach to moderating is employed and they're taken down the appropriate warnings/ban system.


Cheers,
Grant


* - for the record I am NOT talking about Chip's situation, because I absolutely disagree that what he said to Mr Mojangles warranted a verbal comment in the first place... and then for the moderator to admit the subsequent infraction was done as a result of Chip's reaction to a comment made by the Moderator to intentionally wind the guy up is absolutely laughable, it's straight off the school playground mate.

 

grant you do not have all the facts to base your judgement on I can assure you bans are not handed out lightly and this ban is no different
Your facts are purely from what you saw in gd
seasoned users should also know better

 

I understand that things will probably have been said after the initial event and then subsequent ban was imposed bud... and likely they'll have been far more colourful than just calling someones actions prick-like!!

However, the point I was making was, there probably wouldn't have been an issue in the beginning if the Moderator concerned was a little more 'in tune' with the forum and the chat that the members invoved are very well known to give... as was the reaction by regulars when the first comment was made by Eagle, they voiced their opinions that they didn't see an issue with Chip's T4 comment.

I really think that's a valid point and it should be addressed... there's obviously a balance to strike between a regular posting forum user and a regular but silent user becoming a Moderator, but the main quality I think is useful is that the person is vigilant and takes in most of what is said and done on the forum on a regular basis.

I agree with this mate. However, even seasoned users have 'off days' though... not saying that should be an excuse to avoid a ban, but as I said, maybe a wee bit of common sense applied to the situation would go a long way at times.


Cheers,
Grant

 

whilst pete might not post alot these day's he spend a awfull long time reading pf up to 4 hours a night plus he is our longest serving mod so id say he is in tune with the board

as far as off day's chip has had more than his fair share of warnings grant about his attitude towards members and webteam .Although chip can be knowledgeable in some subjects the forum does not survive just on this alone we have a wealth of people with know how and willing to help

 

That sort of removes the only excuse I could think of to make the comment in the first place then to be honest Jay?

The only reason it was made was to wind Chip up, which isn't great behaviour for anyone but a very poor example for a moderator to set the rest of the forum isn't it?

...then to throw the toys from the pram once he got the desired effect and impose infraction points/ban is pretty childish from where I'm sitting.

This isn't because of what was said after that point, this was a situation that looks as though it was engineered by Eagle, who got the result he was after.

Also, I think imposing a lifetime ban is a little strong regardless of the user and regardless of the 'crime' committed.. if it's really needed then it should only be offences of dishonesty or other serious reasons which require this sort of action.


Cheers,
Grant

 

well i cant find any post from pete playing so i cant coment on that but chips attitude afterwards didnt help him as it showed and wrote in stone all his warnings before were doubly justified !

now some people have a couldnt give a toss attitude some people care on how this board is used and who use's it Now chip is well complained about as much as he is liked but when he goes to far and he doesnt take any notice what are we supposed to do ?

now i think im guna be hit with its just the internet it cant be took seriously !! well grant you would be supprised on how many use that quote but mean the total opposite .I have stated before on another thread one member doesnt make this forum and these type of threads try to make it look like this but no one is any more important than the next user

people also have different pain levels of sense of humor or narrow to wide shoulders so the webteam with the forum rules always try to find the middle line

 

i spend alot of time on pf grant, sometimes hidden all depending on what i am doing, checking i.p.s etc or looking back over older posts trying to see if people are bedroom traders .. i am fully aware of mo and his claims, but i am not aware of the rules that allow any user to take the piss or intimidate anyone else... and his last infraction was for abuse aimed at mo .... normally i would never tell the reason behind another users infractions but this is quite relevent...
i ignored chips first comment to " wind my neck in" but after trying to point out what had happened and to why it was commented on, again i was told again to wind my neck in .. i know it was not a personal insult but about the comment i had made.
had it been taken as a personal insult i would have refered it to another mod to deal with .. but to get told basically go away im right without trying to understand why i had posted about it really left me no choice.


chip and my self have since conversed about what happened.. and i have told him i felt bad about doing it, and that now he has calmed down he can see what i was saying.. i wanted it to goto pm's so i could try and make him understand it from another angle which i think we have both agreed on now...
i hold no grudges towards any user on pf, or am i swayed by who they are, i have told off mods before for doing summit against the rules... buy me as many pints as you like, won't mean i will treat you differently on passionford as a moderator...
im not trying to justify myself just keep trying to put accross the other side of the saga.... i would stand up to and for any user on here who has been abused or found to be giving abuse ...
im not happy banning or infracting any user on here.. it provides me with no satisfaction doing so ... i didnt jump in with the intention of doing anything except poiting out it "could have been taken the wrong way" i looked at the post and yes i can see there were 2 ways of looking at it .. and i spent 10 mins doing so i didnt infract chip for the comment ....
post 79 .. i did not say it was not for telling me to wind my neck in ... when we give an infraction we have to send a reason .. and the reason was in the message sent to him.
i said i was playing chip, ok slight incorrect terminology the way it was written ...but the way it was in my mind lookd different to how it came out, i have apologised to chip for incorrectly using the crying smilie .. i would never intentionally lead anyone into a situation where this would happen .. what would i gain from doing so ? nothing !! .. how can you give someone an infraction or ban if you lead them into doing the very thing that will cause that ?
i knew he would not pm me as he would have thought i wanted to hide something, had i wanted to hide anything i could have just dumped all the posts in the bin and all the ones he posted after that ...

like i said we have conversed and there is no bad feeling between us that i know of well certainly not from me ...