DelboyTurbo

Hi folks, hope you are all having a good start to 2006.

I was until i came to fit my gearbox today...

I found that the bellhousing on the type 9 doesnt fit around the cosworth flywheel. Obviously this is because the cosworth flywheel is bigger to accomodate the larger clutch.

Now the clutch on it is from a transit, so is it possible theres a transit bellhousing that fits the cosworth sized flywheel and the type 9 gearbox, hence solving my problem.

Can any ford engine/box masters help???

Thanks,
John

boXXer

i always thought type 9 box's had the same bellhousing's on them, im pretty sure there isnt one big enough to accomodate a cossie flywheel, although you could get a custom alloy one made i suppose.

boXXer

Also, if your running a cossie lump through a Type 9, its gunna RAPE it straight away unless you've got some decent cogs in it.

Graceland

using a Type9 on a cossie


if you get it fitted, i give it 3 hours lifespan MAXimum

do the job propper and fit a T5

puddy

if you really don't wanna fit a t5,then get your pinto flywheel redrilled to match the cossie crank.
this has been done before ,although you will have to comprimise on clutch size,smaller.

puddy

markk

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i use type 9 gearbox, though my flywheel has been machined down and had a pinto ring gear fitted, i do have a spare but they are like rocking horse shit to find second hand,

boXXer

How comes? did you get rid of the T5?

DelboyTurbo

I simply cant afford it yet, not until i find a T5 in the local scrappers

My Type 9 gearboxes have been lasting......at least 3 months at a time!

Its a cossie bottom end, and a pinto turbo top end...running about 20psi.....i shattered the last pinto clutch to bits (smashed all the springs and wore through the dowels) so i cant go back to that route without spending on a clutch, aswell as the flywheel.

Im in the middle of a business startup, and a T5 and the work required to make it fit just isnt an option right now.....not for what money they seem to fetch



Oh, and thanks for the quick replies!!!

DelboyTurbo

i thought about doing that....but doesnt the starter still interfere with the clutch cover?

Do you have any pics?

markk

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t5's are shit , too slow and crap ratio's pal , good old strong box and all,



no pics pal sorry, why would the starter interfere ?

pinto flywheel, ap paddle clutch and pressure plate, pinto starter - simple good for at least 350 ft/lb

david

Mark is that figure for a std box ?

DelboyTurbo

because the ring gear on the cosworth flywheel hardly protrudes from the rest of it.....have you got the ring gear teeth inside the diameter of the rest of the flywheel then?? I suppose the solenoid would just stop when the gear hit the rest of the flywheel........ignore me then. lol

I do prefer the way the Type 9 shifts, and prefer driving it to the T5 (much to my mates disgust. lol) If i can keep it for now i will......the point is, i need a real cheap solution.

An AP paddle clutch isnt that cheap is it?? and is it really ok to redrill a pinto flywheel for the 9 hole cossie crank???

markk

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no sorry thats the clutch setup, the box will last if your easy on it tho - i used a std box for a while whilst waiting for some parts for my dog box

markk

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no the ring gear sits just on the edge of the flywheel

and the pinto flywheel wont redrill ( confusing myself here ) you need to machine down a cossy flywheel and fit a pinto ring gear - all then will work well

DelboyTurbo

Ok, thanks markk.

Just a quick question...as the clutch is apparently from a transit, and fits the cossie flywheel....which box would that have had then?

markk

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mt 75

bigal1978

i tho u could buy a 9 bolt pinto size flywheel from burton ive seena few on ebay

DelboyTurbo

ahh yes of course, should have thought of that lol. thanks.


The burton power flywheel is gonna cost a couple of hundred when done, and i will still be stuck with a tiny crappy clutch.

markk.....
Im just a bit confused about maching down the cossie flywheel...did you have the ring gear teeth sat below the point where the clutch mounts onto (the bulk of the flywheel)?

Obviously you cant machine the whole of the flywheel down as the clutch would lose its mounting point. Just the point the ring gear sits in? This causes no problems with the starter?

Sorry to be a pain, but this seems like the route im going down.

Karl

Lots of issues here.

Firstly type 9 boxes are hopeless beyond 200bhp in std form. They will last no time at all on decent powered turbo motor!!!

We used to run a type 9 in our hill climb pinto powered sunbeam and we were usually lucky to get a race meeting from a std box! That said a suitable quaife type 9 soon sorted things out!!

However for your setup you have a bad mix of parts. The std type 9 will not fit the cossie flywheel and a cossie clutch will not fit a pinto flywheel.

When we went cossie powered with our quaife type 9 we went for a pinto size 9 bolt flywheel and 7 1/4 twin plate clutch.

If you keep with a std size pinto clutch your range is limited hence why I recommend the 7 1/4. We did briefly run an AP cover and 4 paddle pinto clutch but the 7 1/4 unit gave much cleaner and quicker gear changes.

DelboyTurbo

Thanks Karl.

I need progressive expense, not a lump sum...I just cant put that much money into the car right now, and a T5 is expensive.....so are quaife components.

(TBH i would like to upgrade the box as it breaks...just replacing broken parts with better ones. lol)

I realise im probably heading into the power figures where expense is going to be unavoidable now....but ive managed to triple the power of the pinto for less than Ł1600.....id love to have continued the trend. lol

DelboyTurbo

just one last question....if i have it machined, and the ring gear replaced with the pinto one...would i neeeed to have it balanced afterwards????


Thanks for all your help folks......i really appreciate it!

markk

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ok time for pics

here is th every cossy flywheel machined down to take the pinto ring gear

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any sense from that ?

DelboyTurbo

Ahhhhh.....youre using the pinto clutch!!! and youve had to redrill it for the pinto clutch cover.

Thats why i was getting confused...i had it in my head you were still using the cossie clutch. sorry.


Any chance of selling me the one in your pic??

......also, i really appreciate you taking the time to get the pics for me. Thanks!

Karl

However as we found with the 215mm pinto clutch your very limited in suitable clutchs that will hold the kind of torque a turbo YB makes. Ours certainly did'nt hence the change to twin plate.....................


Mark what pinto clutch are you using with your motor?

markk

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thats my spare one, but yes i suppose it could be for sale as im going 4wd now anyway , pm me an offer for it - and i'll let you know

markk

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ap four paddle and cover.

Karl

I'm amazed it can hold the torque of your engine Mark. Our's could'nt with 300bhp/300lbf ft.

markk

iTrader: (2)

tb very honoust karl - so am i ive run this clutch setup now since the very early days , ive had it replated 4 times, but never once ever has it slipped , even running on tarmac with 230's on 9" rims , ive been waiting for the day when a twin plate will be needed, which it would have if it needed it but, ive been waiting now for over 6 years

there is something about the cover tho that i dont know about, it came to me from a well known rally person ( at the time) and was told 'it would do the job' and it does, ive used a cable operation once (long story ) and no matter what ratio i used on the pedal box it was always near impossible to drive- back on hydraulic again - no probs

DelboyTurbo

i never had my standard one slip at all and that was with around 250bhp.

Id use it again if it hadnt smashed the springs on the pressure plate.