comparing the new engine to the gumball one
26-11-2005, 09:12 PM
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comparing the new engine to the gumball one
have been comparing the new engine to the one we used on the gumball, now as i'm sure porkie will testify the gumball engine was a monster which loved to rev and had no problems keeping up with the enzo but the new engine is mucho better. Looking at some figures it mostly makes the old engines power at 1000rpm less and using 4psi less boost. here's some examples of how much more torque and hp extra it makes at how much less boost...
rpm........how much more: torque.....hp...... how much less: boost
4000................................. 17.........9 ............................9
4500................................. 57 ........44 .........................7
5000................................. 83.........78 .........................4
5500................................. 29.........30 .........................12
5500................................. 90.........93 ..........................4
6000................................. 39.........62 ..........................8
6000................................. 91.........103 ........................4
7000................................. 52.........66 .........................4
should make for an interesting drive
rpm........how much more: torque.....hp...... how much less: boost
4000................................. 17.........9 ............................9
4500................................. 57 ........44 .........................7
5000................................. 83.........78 .........................4
5500................................. 29.........30 .........................12
5500................................. 90.........93 ..........................4
6000................................. 39.........62 ..........................8
6000................................. 91.........103 ........................4
7000................................. 52.........66 .........................4
should make for an interesting drive
26-11-2005, 09:17 PM
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your having a laugh arnt you martin it will make for a feking scary drive ferrari will be well worried look out for another red shed on the cards in italy trying to trying to do big things
26-11-2005, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jacko
your having a laugh arnt you martin it will make for a feking scary drive ferrari will be well worried look out for another red shed on the cards in italy trying to trying to do big things
26-11-2005, 09:20 PM
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Quality comparison there 
I love seeing figures like that put up, especially as we've all got some idea of how fast the car used to be - its just gonna be plain crazy now 
Cant wait to see the engine finished, and the car used in anger
I love seeing figures like that put up, especially as we've all got some idea of how fast the car used to be - its just gonna be plain crazy now Cant wait to see the engine finished, and the car used in anger
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26-11-2005, 10:09 PM
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read what martin wrote about the figures , it made sense to me and im a fckin idiot lol ,
anyway top job martin , was going to post on the other topic but thought you had give up on it by the tenth page matey !!
hope to see it in action next year , !!!
merry crimbo bud
anyway top job martin , was going to post on the other topic but thought you had give up on it by the tenth page matey !!
hope to see it in action next year , !!!
merry crimbo bud
26-11-2005, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by aduz
5500 rpm looks fun
gonna be sweet,i remember seeing how fast it was in the gumball(when men&motors was showing stuff other than the proffesionals )
27-11-2005, 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by twitchyrear
Originally Posted by aduz
5500 rpm looks fun
gonna be sweet,i remember seeing how fast it was in the gumball(when men&motors was showing stuff other than the proffesionals )
27-11-2005, 01:03 AM
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Wow, thats certainly an enormous improvement.
Can you disclose how many degrees from Det you were mapped to on the new engine, ie is it fully tuned yet at the revs you have taken it to, or is there even more to come?
I assume this was on pump fuel? as im guessing that you must have run pump fuel on the gumball cause its not exactly easy finding 108 on the way through europe!
Going to be a total animal by anyones standards
Can you disclose how many degrees from Det you were mapped to on the new engine, ie is it fully tuned yet at the revs you have taken it to, or is there even more to come?
I assume this was on pump fuel? as im guessing that you must have run pump fuel on the gumball cause its not exactly easy finding 108 on the way through europe!
Going to be a total animal by anyones standards
27-11-2005, 10:09 AM
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Wow 
Does it beat the engine you had in before with the Millington block and head that did the 194mph? 
I've been thinking, that might actually hurt driving it with the amount of G-Force it's going to throw at you while pinning you back in the drivers seat!!!
Can't wait to find out what it makes on it's final dyno session!
Amasing feat of engineering to be honest, very well done
Just goes to prove your as much an engineer as a tuner by the fact you have taken the time to take it apart again and check everything 
Your effectively developing another type of Cosworth engine
Does it beat the engine you had in before with the Millington block and head that did the 194mph? I've been thinking, that might actually hurt driving it with the amount of G-Force it's going to throw at you while pinning you back in the drivers seat!!!
Can't wait to find out what it makes on it's final dyno session!
Amasing feat of engineering to be honest, very well done
Just goes to prove your as much an engineer as a tuner by the fact you have taken the time to take it apart again and check everything Your effectively developing another type of Cosworth engine
27-11-2005, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AD-RS1600i
Wow Does it beat the engine you had in before with the Millington block and head that did the 194mph?
Does it beat the engine you had in before with the Millington block and head that did the 194mph?
27-11-2005, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by mattbibs
cool - is this off in the mondeo??
27-11-2005, 11:27 AM
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Re: comparing the new engine to the gumball one
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
have been comparing the new engine to the one we used on the gumball, now as i'm sure porkie will testify the gumball engine was a monster which loved to rev and had no problems keeping up with the enzo
Allsteel on here, you have one HELL of an engine mate
Make sure you rev the fook out of her though. She loves it
27-11-2005, 12:27 PM
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mondeo seems like a good option for top speed runs
Does it "count" if its in a non cosworth car though, or is it ok providing its a ford, i dont know what the unoffical rules are of this whole "brunters thing" in the first place??
Ie if he went and put it in a calibra cause they have a good drag coefficient does that still count as beating Rod, or would it be seen as irrelevant in something like a mondeo or calibra or whatever?
Does it "count" if its in a non cosworth car though, or is it ok providing its a ford, i dont know what the unoffical rules are of this whole "brunters thing" in the first place??
Ie if he went and put it in a calibra cause they have a good drag coefficient does that still count as beating Rod, or would it be seen as irrelevant in something like a mondeo or calibra or whatever?
27-11-2005, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
mondeo seems like a good option for top speed runs
Does it "count" if its in a non cosworth car though, or is it ok providing its a ford, i dont know what the unoffical rules are of this whole "brunters thing" in the first place??
Ie if he went and put it in a calibra cause they have a good drag coefficient does that still count as beating Rod, or would it be seen as irrelevant in something like a mondeo or calibra or whatever?
Does it "count" if its in a non cosworth car though, or is it ok providing its a ford, i dont know what the unoffical rules are of this whole "brunters thing" in the first place??
Ie if he went and put it in a calibra cause they have a good drag coefficient does that still count as beating Rod, or would it be seen as irrelevant in something like a mondeo or calibra or whatever?
top speed as soon as its fixed. dont forget the mondo did 182mph at brunters with a slightly shonkey t34 400hp engine and when it had a 500 hp t4 engine it pulled 8000rpm in 5th on my own private test road... work that out!
27-11-2005, 12:54 PM
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Sounds interesting on the mondeo 
I think personally that Rod is kind of within his rights to still claim "fastest cosworth" if he gets beaten by a mondeo (or my car ) as its not actually a cossie, but obviously he cant claim that if you beat him in the escort!
Personally i think beating rods time is going to be a lot harder than people give it credit for though!
You need to be hitting 200mph in under a mile i reckon to really be in with a chance of cracking properly into the 210+ range
Whatever happens, its going to be great fun to follow the progress on here, especially if Rod can do anything to rise the bar up a little further first to really make you work for it
Best of luck to both of you
I think personally that Rod is kind of within his rights to still claim "fastest cosworth" if he gets beaten by a mondeo (or my car
) as its not actually a cossie, but obviously he cant claim that if you beat him in the escort!Personally i think beating rods time is going to be a lot harder than people give it credit for though!
You need to be hitting 200mph in under a mile i reckon to really be in with a chance of cracking properly into the 210+ range
Whatever happens, its going to be great fun to follow the progress on here, especially if Rod can do anything to rise the bar up a little further first to really make you work for it
Best of luck to both of you
27-11-2005, 01:16 PM
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Chip, I agree on all counts. Mondeo not really a Cossie and Rods is going to be VERY hard to beat topend!
But then thats NOT the point of Martins car at all if you ask me.
Multi purpose monster! Can't see many things matching it lap after lap on a circuit (if he lets me drive ) , 1/4 mile, Topend beastie and endurance 'event' funwagon!
But then thats NOT the point of Martins car at all if you ask me.
Multi purpose monster! Can't see many things matching it lap after lap on a circuit (if he lets me drive
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27-11-2005, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Sounds interesting on the mondeo
I think personally that Rod is kind of within his rights to still claim "fastest cosworth" if he gets beaten by a mondeo (or my car ) as its not actually a cossie, but obviously he cant claim that if you beat him in the escort!
Personally i think beating rods time is going to be a lot harder than people give it credit for though!
You need to be hitting 200mph in under a mile i reckon to really be in with a chance of cracking properly into the 210+ range
Whatever happens, its going to be great fun to follow the progress on here, especially if Rod can do anything to rise the bar up a little further first to really make you work for it
Best of luck to both of you
I think personally that Rod is kind of within his rights to still claim "fastest cosworth" if he gets beaten by a mondeo (or my car
) as its not actually a cossie, but obviously he cant claim that if you beat him in the escort!Personally i think beating rods time is going to be a lot harder than people give it credit for though!
You need to be hitting 200mph in under a mile i reckon to really be in with a chance of cracking properly into the 210+ range
Whatever happens, its going to be great fun to follow the progress on here, especially if Rod can do anything to rise the bar up a little further first to really make you work for it
Best of luck to both of you
rod using gas aswell
if martoon wanted to go down that road am sure he to could pull them speeds
27-11-2005, 01:20 PM
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Re: comparing the new engine to the gumball one
Originally Posted by Porkie
Originally Posted by martin-reyland
have been comparing the new engine to the one we used on the gumball, now as i'm sure porkie will testify the gumball engine was a monster which loved to rev and had no problems keeping up with the enzo
Allsteel on here, you have one HELL of an engine mate
Make sure you rev the fook out of her though. She loves it
27-11-2005, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Personally i think beating rods time is going to be a lot harder than people give it credit for though!
You need to be hitting 200mph in under a mile i reckon to really be in with a chance of cracking properly into the 210+ range
Whatever happens, its going to be great fun to follow the progress on here, especially if Rod can do anything to rise the bar up a little further first to really make you work for it
Best of luck to both of you
You need to be hitting 200mph in under a mile i reckon to really be in with a chance of cracking properly into the 210+ range
Whatever happens, its going to be great fun to follow the progress on here, especially if Rod can do anything to rise the bar up a little further first to really make you work for it
Best of luck to both of you
a standing start at the bottom of brunters against rod is deffo on the cards!