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Turbo Timers ?? Yes or No
17-11-2005, 09:46 AM
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Ginge - I think it's a fair assumption that nearly every cossie ever made has done more than 20k before blowing up or needing a rebuild.
You think most cars after leaving the factory in showroom spec just all decided to blow up?
I've had mine six years, done 40k+ and it's never had a problem.
You think most cars after leaving the factory in showroom spec just all decided to blow up?
I've had mine six years, done 40k+ and it's never had a problem.
17-11-2005, 09:53 AM
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rich again how many cossies have had a rebuild then ????
lets see how many have let just let go then even though they have ben rebuilt ect compares to yours and mikes so far ????
lets see what the case is, i admit that its down to bad maintanace ect but never the less it happens
lets see how many have let just let go then even though they have ben rebuilt ect compares to yours and mikes so far ????
lets see what the case is, i admit that its down to bad maintanace ect but never the less it happens
17-11-2005, 09:55 AM
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You think most cars after leaving the factory in showroom spec just all decided to blow up?
yeah rich i wasnt including the new ones as now there at a price there soo cheep that they can be bodged rather than maintained wouldnt you say
yeah rich i wasnt including the new ones as now there at a price there soo cheep that they can be bodged rather than maintained wouldnt you say
17-11-2005, 10:01 AM
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Ginge,
I know where you're coming from, but I think you will find that most Cosworth engine failures can be attributed to owners trying to cut costs with the rebuilds and accordingly mis-spec parts or build them using cheap parts (that then fail).
My recommendations are always to build it ONCE and build it RIGHT. Doing it any other way, means that cutting corners ALWAYS costs you more in the long run.
I know where you're coming from, but I think you will find that most Cosworth engine failures can be attributed to owners trying to cut costs with the rebuilds and accordingly mis-spec parts or build them using cheap parts (that then fail).
My recommendations are always to build it ONCE and build it RIGHT. Doing it any other way, means that cutting corners ALWAYS costs you more in the long run.
17-11-2005, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by J871yhk
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It is ILLEGAL to leave a car engine running while the vehicle is unoccupied. Simple as.
17-11-2005, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by b19bal
now as much as alex has forgot more about engines than i know about life
most cossie engines last 20k at most
not enough for engine wear i promise you
most cossie engines last 20k at most
not enough for engine wear i promise you
17-11-2005, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by J871yhk
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It is ILLEGAL to leave a car engine running while the vehicle is unoccupied. Simple as.
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17-11-2005, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
Originally Posted by b19bal
now as much as alex has forgot more about engines than i know about life
most cossie engines last 20k at most
not enough for engine wear i promise you
most cossie engines last 20k at most
not enough for engine wear i promise you
that was the point the 20k was refering to the bodging of a engine due to the real cost of building it proper and maintaining it
so as for talking bollox
, maybe you all just dont understand what i was getting atthe point i was making is the engine WILL fail on most ocasions well before the engine thermals ect are affected by the turbo timer of me warming up my engine to allow the heaters to start and still driving normal
again how many cossie engine fail early in the milage compared to a proper built basic engine with the correct parts in the first place
if i payed 2k forna cossie engine then i would look at the estimated time of life on it, just like the ERST engine im now gonna be building with NO advice from pros and just info that ive learnt and others who like testing stuff as when it fails it will have cost me 1500 quid in total and if i take my time theres a good chance it will last
just cause i act the cunt on here seriously dont mean i am one,
the engines ive done before are still fine and anything ive been unsure of ive taken to a pro do avoid problems, i wont just slap a part in a car for the hell of it otherwise my cossie would have been done WELL long ago, ffs ive sprayed the engine bay on my cossie 5 times cause i wasnt happy with stuff
17-11-2005, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by J871yhk
Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It is ILLEGAL to leave a car engine running while the vehicle is unoccupied. Simple as.
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17-11-2005, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by b19bal
So Stu, you are now stating that the turbo timer WILL cause engine wear before the normal life expectancy comes to a end?
The answer to that question it YES a turbo timer will cause premature bore wear.
Do you want to know why?
17-11-2005, 09:10 PM
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unless its cause the engine will be running longer that it needs to be so it will natually gain more milage ( engine miles that is) than a engine that runs for 20mins less per day
17-11-2005, 10:27 PM
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The bores are lubricated by the engine (crank webs) throwing oil around and up into the bores in most engines. At idle speed, the crank webs are more or less only being dipped into the oil rather than throwing it up towards the bore area.
Most engines with oil spray jets do not get round this as most spray systems are designed to blow off at a certain pressure, usually close to peak pressure which is never going to be obtained at idle speed.
IMO the best way to drive the cars is to allow it to idle for a minute or 2 allowing oil to get round the engine, then drive it gentle until water and oil are up to normal operating temperature. This will also warm up the gearbox and gear oil (less transmission losses through drag). After a good caining, drive nice and easy for the final 2 miles or so then simply turn off a few seconds after you park up.
Most engines with oil spray jets do not get round this as most spray systems are designed to blow off at a certain pressure, usually close to peak pressure which is never going to be obtained at idle speed.
IMO the best way to drive the cars is to allow it to idle for a minute or 2 allowing oil to get round the engine, then drive it gentle until water and oil are up to normal operating temperature. This will also warm up the gearbox and gear oil (less transmission losses through drag). After a good caining, drive nice and easy for the final 2 miles or so then simply turn off a few seconds after you park up.
17-11-2005, 10:30 PM
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, never knew that, but my point was it the premature wear that much though as honestly there was no problems with my bearings ( unfortunatly thats the only thing that was fine )
17-11-2005, 10:37 PM
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Premature wear is caused by the owners neglect only Ginge!
Melted engines are 99.9 times caused by an ancilliary failure, not an engine fault.
There are very very very few Cossie engines which fail due to an internal component failure or wear. Most are actually DAMAGED by other influences.
Melted engines are 99.9 times caused by an ancilliary failure, not an engine fault.
There are very very very few Cossie engines which fail due to an internal component failure or wear. Most are actually DAMAGED by other influences.
17-11-2005, 10:45 PM
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i would say 100% caused by another fault, metal dont just melt on its own
so as a point theres a fair chance that the turbo timer does wear the engine but not enough so you would notice,
a bit like a hip operation on a old ladie, they last for 25 years,,,,,,, she wont though so no need to worry about wear
so as a point theres a fair chance that the turbo timer does wear the engine but not enough so you would notice,
a bit like a hip operation on a old ladie, they last for 25 years,,,,,,, she wont though so no need to worry about wear
18-11-2005, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DazC
The bores are lubricated by the engine (crank webs) throwing oil around and up into the bores in most engines. At idle speed, the crank webs are more or less only being dipped into the oil rather than throwing it up towards the bore area.
Most engines with oil spray jets do not get round this as most spray systems are designed to blow off at a certain pressure, usually close to peak pressure which is never going to be obtained at idle speed.
IMO the best way to drive the cars is to allow it to idle for a minute or 2 allowing oil to get round the engine, then drive it gentle until water and oil are up to normal operating temperature. This will also warm up the gearbox and gear oil (less transmission losses through drag). After a good caining, drive nice and easy for the final 2 miles or so then simply turn off a few seconds after you park up.
Most engines with oil spray jets do not get round this as most spray systems are designed to blow off at a certain pressure, usually close to peak pressure which is never going to be obtained at idle speed.
IMO the best way to drive the cars is to allow it to idle for a minute or 2 allowing oil to get round the engine, then drive it gentle until water and oil are up to normal operating temperature. This will also warm up the gearbox and gear oil (less transmission losses through drag). After a good caining, drive nice and easy for the final 2 miles or so then simply turn off a few seconds after you park up.
good info cheers!
18-11-2005, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by b19bal
i would say 100% caused by another fault, metal dont just melt on its own
so as a point theres a fair chance that the turbo timer does wear the engine but not enough so you would notice,
a bit like a hip operation on a old ladie, they last for 25 years,,,,,,, she wont though so no need to worry about wear
so as a point theres a fair chance that the turbo timer does wear the engine but not enough so you would notice,
a bit like a hip operation on a old ladie, they last for 25 years,,,,,,, she wont though so no need to worry about wear
Persistant constant use will probably reduce the engines life considerably more than occasional use.
18-11-2005, 07:11 PM
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daz that was my point
so many people are saying it is bad for a engine which tbh im not disagring with but its like beer, thats bad for you but do you choose not to drink even though you ARE damaging you liver/brain ect
advising people it can cause damage to a engine but then if the reply goes " ive never seen a engine let go based soley on the turbo timer" would be a more honest responce ( and i wasnt refering to your reply as you answered it in a non bias responce i felt )
so untill i have seen the engines die i will continue to use my Blitz turbo timer to get my heaters all nice and toasty
so many people are saying it is bad for a engine which tbh im not disagring with but its like beer, thats bad for you but do you choose not to drink even though you ARE damaging you liver/brain ect
advising people it can cause damage to a engine but then if the reply goes " ive never seen a engine let go based soley on the turbo timer" would be a more honest responce ( and i wasnt refering to your reply as you answered it in a non bias responce i felt
)so untill i have seen the engines die i will continue to use my Blitz turbo timer to get my heaters all nice and toasty
18-11-2005, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It is ILLEGAL to leave a car engine running while the vehicle is unoccupied. Simple as.
and none of cliffords remote starts are thatcham approved
18-11-2005, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
It is ILLEGAL to leave a car engine running while the vehicle is unoccupied. Simple as.
and none of cliffords remote starts are thatcham approved
18-11-2005, 09:29 PM
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speeding and racing on the public highway is also illigal, as it lots of other things
dont mean that you cant to it, advantage of it is if the cars is stolen then that solves the evidence problem
dont mean that you cant to it, advantage of it is if the cars is stolen then that solves the evidence problem
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