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16-11-2005, 10:23 AM
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£25,099 for a Cossie Rep??
16-11-2005, 10:31 AM
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Reshelled into a new blank shell doesnt stop it being a genuine car as you can stamp the old numbers into it legally, its only if its done (like my own rs500 reshell) into a used shell that it loses its identity
16-11-2005, 10:33 AM
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The fact that it has been re-shelled legaly or otherwise will always affects its value with the RS anorak brigade! Imo its worth 12-15 tops and anyone paying over 20k for it either wants their bumps felt or is a friend of the owner.
16-11-2005, 10:35 AM
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To me its all bollocks with the values, i cant understand the logic of how one car is four times as much as an identical car just cause of something written on a piece of paper you use once a year to tax it, to me how good a car is can be determined from driving it and what it does like, handles like, how much rust, that sort of thing, but i guess thats cause im from a vauxhall background mainly where this sort of logbook snobbery doesnt really exist as much.
I can understand a slight difference in cost based on whats on the logbook, but cant understand the extent to which it happens with rs500's
I can understand a slight difference in cost based on whats on the logbook, but cant understand the extent to which it happens with rs500's
16-11-2005, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
To me its all bollocks with the values, i cant understand the logic of how one car is four times as much as an identical car just cause of something written on a piece of paper you use once a year to tax it, to me how good a car is can be determined from driving it and what it does like, handles like, how much rust, that sort of thing, but i guess thats cause im from a vauxhall background mainly where this sort of logbook snobbery doesnt really exist as much.
I can understand a slight difference in cost based on whats on the logbook, but cant understand the extent to which it happens with rs500's
I can understand a slight difference in cost based on whats on the logbook, but cant understand the extent to which it happens with rs500's
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). IMO there are plenty of RS500s out there that are / were better (Martin Johnson's / Bruce Read's as two examples straight off the top of my head).
16-11-2005, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
To me its all bollocks with the values, i cant understand the logic of how one car is four times as much as an identical car just cause of something written on a piece of paper you use once a year to tax it, to me how good a car is can be determined from driving it and what it does like, handles like, how much rust, that sort of thing, but i guess thats cause im from a vauxhall background mainly where this sort of logbook snobbery doesnt really exist as much.
I can understand a slight difference in cost based on whats on the logbook, but cant understand the extent to which it happens with rs500's
I can understand a slight difference in cost based on whats on the logbook, but cant understand the extent to which it happens with rs500's
Chip there are 2 different types of people that buy RS's. One will buy it purely based on wanting to drive that particular car and won't be too worried about history etc...as long as its sound. The other type will pay top dollar for a genuine, mint, original car with the right miles and bits of paperwork etc....and probably will only use it once every blue moon to go to a show!
As for Vauxhalls there is no 'log book' snobbery as they haven't built cars in years that were even remotely rare except for Lotus Carltons which still command silly money.
16-11-2005, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
To me its all bollocks with the values, i cant understand the logic of how one car is four times as much as an identical car just cause of something written on a piece of paper you use once a year to tax it, to me how good a car is can be determined from driving it and what it does like, handles like, how much rust, that sort of thing, but i guess thats cause im from a vauxhall background mainly where this sort of logbook snobbery doesnt really exist as much.
I can understand a slight difference in cost based on whats on the logbook, but cant understand the extent to which it happens with rs500's
I can understand a slight difference in cost based on whats on the logbook, but cant understand the extent to which it happens with rs500's
Chip there are 2 different types of people that buy RS's. One will buy it purely based on wanting to drive that particular car and won't be too worried about history etc...as long as its sound. The other type will pay top dollar for a genuine, mint, original car with the right miles and bits of paperwork etc....and probably will only use it once every blue moon to go to a show!
As for Vauxhalls there is no 'log book' snobbery as they haven't built cars in years that were even remotely rare except for Lotus Carltons which still command silly money.
I guess that there are a lot more people in the RS world who have always wanted an RS500 than in the vauxhall world who have always wanted a LC hence the LC is worth less even though it was a dearer car originally and is just as rare.
I guess im firmly in the "buy a car on its merits as a car not its logbook" camp and so have difficulty seeing the logic of the "polish it and talk about it" brigade!
16-11-2005, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
I guess im firmly in the "buy a car on its merits as a car not its logbook" camp and so have difficulty seeing the logic of the "polish it and talk about it" brigade!
16-11-2005, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SPADGE
Originally Posted by chip-3door
I guess im firmly in the "buy a car on its merits as a car not its logbook" camp and so have difficulty seeing the logic of the "polish it and talk about it" brigade!
16-11-2005, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
hence the LC is worth less even though it was a dearer car originally and is just as rare.
.How many of each are left?
If you dont know, then please STFU
16-11-2005, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
Originally Posted by SPADGE
Originally Posted by chip-3door
I guess im firmly in the "buy a car on its merits as a car not its logbook" camp and so have difficulty seeing the logic of the "polish it and talk about it" brigade!
Always been of the same oppinion hence i would rather go out and find a car that needs a bit of work than pay stupid money for a minter with the old tax discs etc...
16-11-2005, 11:01 AM
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Law of averages etc - so YOU STFU 
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.So i dont really think its a safe assumption which there is more of the LC left really.
They arent average cars, so laws of average dont apply!
Whichever it is, they are certainly of the same order of magnitude in terms of numbers and just as unliklely to be spotted in your local tesocs, so i stand by my "just as rare" comment
16-11-2005, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
I guess that there are a lot more people in the RS world who have always wanted an RS500 than in the vauxhall world who have always wanted a LC hence the LC is worth less even though it was a dearer car originally and is just as rare.
16-11-2005, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
I guess im firmly in the "buy a car on its merits as a car not its logbook" camp and so have difficulty seeing the logic of the "polish it and talk about it" brigade!
16-11-2005, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
I guess that there are a lot more people in the RS world who have always wanted an RS500 than in the vauxhall world who have always wanted a LC hence the LC is worth less even though it was a dearer car originally and is just as rare.
So i think the lack of upgrade bits is another symptom of the same cause to a certain extent.
Thereally valuable RS500's dont have any upgrade bits on them anyway normally, most of the ones fetching big money are standard or near standard from what ive seen.
16-11-2005, 11:10 AM
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Chip, I can assure you there are far more LC's still around than RS500s .
I can't remember the last time I saw an RS500 on the road other than at a show, but you at least occasionally see Lotus Carltons. This will aslo give you an indication of how many are left.
http://www.lotus-carlton.co.uk/
Is a nice site. We actually did a lot of installation work on the production line for the Omega's way back when .
My Dad actually witnessed the prototypes being scrapped with a JCB
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.I can't remember the last time I saw an RS500 on the road other than at a show, but you at least occasionally see Lotus Carltons. This will aslo give you an indication of how many are left
.http://www.lotus-carlton.co.uk/
Is a nice site
. We actually did a lot of installation work on the production line for the Omega's way back when .My Dad actually witnessed the prototypes being scrapped with a JCB
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16-11-2005, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Stealth Bomber
Originally Posted by chip-3door
I guess im firmly in the "buy a car on its merits as a car not its logbook" camp and so have difficulty seeing the logic of the "polish it and talk about it" brigade!
And to answer your question i couldnt have bought a 3 door with the YB and T5 and nice seats and wheels/kit/spoiler etc for less, and all that effects how it drives, the thing im interested in.
16-11-2005, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip, I can assure you there are far more LC's still around than RS500s .
I can't remember the last time I saw an RS500 on the road other than at a show, but you at least occasionally see Lotus Carltons. This will aslo give you an indication of how many are left.
http://www.lotus-carlton.co.uk/
Is a nice site. We actually did a lot of installation work on the production line for the Omega's way back when .
My Dad actually witnessed the prototypes being scrapped with a JCB.
.I can't remember the last time I saw an RS500 on the road other than at a show, but you at least occasionally see Lotus Carltons. This will aslo give you an indication of how many are left
.http://www.lotus-carlton.co.uk/
Is a nice site
. We actually did a lot of installation work on the production line for the Omega's way back when .My Dad actually witnessed the prototypes being scrapped with a JCB
.Ive only ever seen a handful of LC's
Mind you at a distance you dont know if the rs500 is real or some shonky 1.6 replica anyway of course (well, unless its yellow
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16-11-2005, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
If you knew how little i paid for it you would be shocked. (it was a stoeln recovered identity lost car dont forget, plus the guy wasnt aware of their value)
16-11-2005, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by chip-3door
If you knew how little i paid for it you would be shocked. (it was a stoeln recovered identity lost car dont forget, plus the guy wasnt aware of their value)
16-11-2005, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Originally Posted by chip-3door
Mind you at a distance you dont know if the rs500 is real or some shonky 1.6 replica anyway of course (well, unless its yellow )
) . There are LOTS of 3-dr copies - I thought you of all people realised that .You really are a bit trigger happy with that
of yours, you keep firing it off too soon (not just the either according to Jen)
16-11-2005, 11:32 AM
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i had a lotus carlton, and after six months sold it before it broke down,
it was far to heavey for track use,
but was very quick in a straight line with very litte lag.
it was far to heavey for track use,
but was very quick in a straight line with very litte lag.
16-11-2005, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
The fact that I know you know that I know you know that, proves you're just arguing the point for the sake of it, as you know I'm right about the number of LC's compared to RS500s .
The fact that I know you know that I know you know that, proves you're just arguing the point for the sake of it, as you know I'm right about the number of LC's compared to RS500s
.On one hand lots of rs500 were used in motorsport, and hence probably crashed, dminishing numbers, but on the other hand, a lot of those have been reshelled into new shells and hence still exist.
For the LC, if they get crashed they tend to stay dead not be rebuilt as there arent the same availablity of cheap brand new shells available as for the sierra.
So no, i dont know the numbers, and i dont believe you do either, its all just speculation.
all either of us know is that they are both rare cars, its you trying to argue black is white to say otherwise.
16-11-2005, 12:25 PM
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Ooooh hark at you I just don't agree that a car that was built in twice as many numbers as another car, can be considered equally as rare .
I just don't agree that a car that was built in twice as many numbers as another car, can be considered equally as rare .Thats weird, my mates old one got valued at 20K a while ago IIRC, on the basis that there are only a few dozen left worldwide as they nearly all got smacked up in motorsport.
But, if you insist that its the number made and not the number remaining that determines how rare something is nowadays, then thats up to you i guess.
Here, have one of these, youve certainly earned it
16-11-2005, 12:29 PM
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Chip,
I would completely agree with you in the case you highlight, but that proves ME even more right, as the RS500s were built in 1986 and the LCs in greater numbers in 1993, so ipso-facto going by YOUR logic, the older cars are likely to be MORE rare, even if they built EQUAL numbers . So have this back .
I would completely agree with you in the case you highlight, but that proves ME even more right, as the RS500s were built in 1986 and the LCs in greater numbers in 1993, so ipso-facto going by YOUR logic, the older cars are likely to be MORE rare, even if they built EQUAL numbers
. So have this back .
16-11-2005, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Rainbird
Chip,
I would completely agree with you in the case you highlight, but that proves ME even more right, as the RS500s were built in 1986 and the LCs in greater numbers in 1993, so ipso-facto going by YOUR logic, the older cars are likely to be MORE rare, even if they built EQUAL numbers . So have this back .
I would completely agree with you in the case you highlight, but that proves ME even more right, as the RS500s were built in 1986 and the LCs in greater numbers in 1993, so ipso-facto going by YOUR logic, the older cars are likely to be MORE rare, even if they built EQUAL numbers
. So have this back .
16-11-2005, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fudgeass
they aint
nice 13" steelies with 165/80/13 tyres that are shit
they are just there to hide the coilovers
nice 13" steelies with 165/80/13 tyres that are shit
they are just there to hide the coilovers
