Zetec Andy

Why do i need all that if im buying an AMD motherboard? i thought all i needed was a motherboard and a larger powersupply!

DanRSturbo

If you stick with the socket 754 motherboard I posted in that link then you're ok. If you go with something different, i.e socket 939 or different, it will need a new cpu.

You will need to re-install windows as well i'm afraid

So, you need to buy the board I posted, or one similar, and high power cpu, and reinstall windows

CraigN

nope your 3200+ will be an old style socket

they dont make a motherboard with a PCI-express slot for that cpu usually

youwould be better off selling the graphics card (or giving it back)

and getting a AGP 6600 GT or 6800 GT/ultra

unless you want to start spending a lot

you will need a new power supply to run that graphics cards

good ones are £50 +

I will buy the 7800gtx off you tho :P

Ish

just to prove how fast 6800GT's are selling out in AGP format the link i posted yesterday there were 5 and now they all sold out.

You would have saved yourself a lot of hassle and had a good card if you had got yourself an AGP 6800GT in the first place

Zetec Andy

Ish it says thats discontinued

Craig, £300

Chipperx2

http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=3KGX


I'm upgrading to this soon, nVidia 7800GTX. and AMD athelon 4000+ aswell

Ish

Yes it does say that! there were 5 in stock yesterday and now they have all sold out.

I did say near the start of this post that the AGP format has been discontinued so it's getting harder to find anyone with stock of AGP 6800GT's.

There are some available on ebay but they are already up to like £150 with 5 days left

you could buy a 6600GT like this (25 in stock) http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...duct_uid=85800 .I have this card and it will pay BF2 at high settings at 1024x768 but is not really good enough if you want to go higher res and play with full detail setting.

a 6800GT would be a better card to get if you can find one!!!

CraigN

i will give you what you paid for it :P

CraigN

il throw in a AGP radeon 9800 XT 128mb too lol

Jim Galbally

a 9800 will do you fine for BF2 manchester, i'd take up craig on his offer.

i run the same spec as you (but with 2GB of ram) and a 9800Pro 128mb card, and it runs BF2 fine in 1600x1200 medium detail (you dont need high detail, and even if you did you'd be pushing the 3200+) it only goes a BIT slow on artilery strikes, but since youre likely DEAD when that happens it dont matter... lol

tonyk

Here is a 6800gt in agp format and is in stock and within your budget.

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=131948

BlueSmoke

I've just upgraded and had a right episode. My mother destroyed a hard disk, motherboard, and 256mb of ram by turning my pc off incorrectly despite me telling her what would happen

I then found that nobody is selling the old 32bit athlon boards now, and as I want to play the odd game or two on my machine I had to spend more than I'd originally budgetted for as I didn't want a sempron 64, I knew I'd be better spending the extra and getting a skt939 athlon 3200+ 64 instead. Still got 512mb of ram even tho i lost a stick.

I thought alright, spent a bit more than I planned but got a pretty damn good machine now.

Bought my gear at lunchtime then went back to work. While at work I came to the realisation this board had a PCI-E slot for the gfx card, and no AGP slot. My card was AGP!

Had to go back and shell out another £80 on a decent graphics card

Felt like 'd royally shafted myself, and there were no other boards with 3 ram slots so I couldn't just swap the board

Ended up spending £250 when I'd planned originally to spend about a ton

At least I got a good machine now lol.

I bought an Nvidia Geforce 6600, but not the GT version and it's great

CraigN

If Mr manchester wants to sell me his 7800 GTX i will have a Radeon X850 XT PE 256mb pci-e card for sale lol

Dan B

It's OK, the graphics card package I'm now looking at getting will set me back £1035!

That's JUST graphics cards, nothing else!

CraigN

if you thinking of going SLi or crossfire there is no need at all !

Zetec Andy

Can anyone explain why i would need a new processor if i buy a Socket 754 motherboard with PCI slot?

The board i have now is Socket 754 but with an AGP graphics slot and my bro says all i need is the new motherboard and a bigger power unit to run the card (400w min)

CraigN

is your 3200+ a 64 bit cpu ? if it is it will be socket 754 if it is not it will be socket A

appologies if i missed the point were you say its a 64bit cpu

Ryan

craig how much for the 850xt?

upgraded my PC at the moment

Zetec Andy

Sorry craig it is a 3200+ 64 bit cpu, i had in apart before to have a look at the CPU under the fan and it also said "SOCKET 754" in the bit where the CPU slots in.

A new motherboard is about £55 and new power unit is about £20, if all goes to plan it will al be in and sorted by sunday, if not il be in contact

CraigN

no no no no no

do NOT get a cheap power supply

not with an expensive graphics card like that

get something from Seasonic or Tagan expensive but well worth the money

you do not want anything killing your £350 graphics card !

Zetec Andy

Dont say that, not more money

Jim Galbally

DEFFO agree with craig, buy a PROPER psu. ive used cheap shite ones for years (i blow one up about every 6 months... lol) and finally got round to getting a proper one and its SOOOO much better.

and if you can get a mobo thats supports your chip AND has a pci-e slot then that would work.

i still think you should sell yours to craig, and take craigs 9800 as thats SO much better thana fx5200 its unreal! i really dont think you'll benefit THAT much from a topspec gfx card on your pc, you dont hav the other goodies to get the most out of it frankly.

also for BF2 i'd deffo reccomend 2GB of memory, the performance on mine with 1GB was quite poor, with 2GB its MUCH better. BF2 is the kinda game that eats up shedloads of memory!

DanRSturbo

Seriously, a £20 power supply will kill your graphics card within 2 weeks

Jim Galbally

anyway, do you really need a new PSU for a PCI-E mobo? surely as long as his psu's 300+ watts it should be ok? it's not like when P4 was released and you needed that extra crappy 4 poin square connector or anything

Zetec Andy

According to the box i need a power supply thats 12volt current with a rating of 26a

Jim Galbally

manchester, its the wattage that makes the difference. imagine plugging a server with all its devices etc. into a crappy small form factor desktop type psu.. its just not got the power. those beats have like twin 500+w jobbys in em...

Zetec Andy

My brother has reccomended this one, says it will be fine!

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...91&GroupID=956

DanRSturbo

JIm, I've got a 300 watt psu and that struggled to power a geforce 6800 ultra card

That's the same brother that sold you a card you didn't need m8 ? No offence, but listen to what the "geeks" are saying



http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...7883&GroupID=9

Seeing as you must use that site, I would say the above link PSU or higher.

You've paid good money for something you didn't need, and have to make a serious decision about where to go. If you don't want to listen to the people on this thread, then best of luck with your brothers advice, and let us know how long it lasts

Stu @ M Developments

iTrader: (12)

Ive got a NVIDEA 6800GT and 2gig of ram with my P4 3.2GHZ that runs a 3DMark of 14000 and that power supply wouldnt last for more than a few hours playing unreal Tournament or Far Cry.

It talks the talk i agree, but you get what you pay for....
Been There... Done That.

Zetec Andy

I just wanna get any upgrading out of the way now to save me doing it after xmas Ive added another 1gb of memory but i only have 2 slots, hopefully this new mobo will have 3 so i can make it upto 2.5gb in the future, my 160gb HDD is plenty enought for me and the 3200+ will do for now aswell.

tonyk

No disrespect but your brother is not advising you the best here. He sells you a £300 graphic card and then recommends a £20 psu, its like having a 600bhp cossie engine built and using 4 green injectors. It just wont happen.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/Product...40&GroupID=635

Jim Galbally

your memory will have become obsolete before you'd ever need 2+gb of ram :P dont worry about having more than 2gb

DanRSturbo

I got 3 gig

AndyRST

People seriously under estimate the benifits of a decent power supply. I payed alot of money for my 350w true power supply but it runs "that" 6800 card that Dan was talking about and his 340w power supply wouldnt. when i checked the specs of the 2 power supplys the more expensive one provided a 12A boost at the same voltage ranges on the power supplys.

So you get what you pay for IMO

Dan B

My 600W Enermax set me back a fraction under £100, and it's worth every penny......powers the 6800GT, two hard-drives, two optical drives, as many USB devices as I want to plug in (except USB hard-drives, thanks to the motherboard - avoid VIA chipsets, at all costs - a 500GB firewire drive was fine, but plug a 40GB USB drive in and Windows decides it doesn't like running at all), a printer, etc etc...

Definitely don't skimp when it comes to power supplies...

Zetec Andy

Ok you have talked me into a decent power supply but i have just read this while doing some research into requirements.....

System Requirements

• Intel Pentium III (and above), AMD K7 (and above) or compatible with PCI Express slot
• Minimum 128MB of system memory
• Installation software requires CD-ROM drive
• Interactive Program guide requires Internet connection for listing updates
• Power supply of 400 (and up) watt is highly recommended for system stability

The bit that bothers me is in bold above! heres my bios:



Seem ok?

CraigN

thats a dxdiag page not ure bios

Dan B

The AMD K7 chip was first released in 1999/2000, I think it's safe to say that the Athlon 64 chip dxdiag says you have would be grouped in the "and above" section, so would be fine!

Judging by the above dxdiag output, and the graphics card you've just bought, and my personal preference for Enermax (especially with AMD chips), I'd say the following would be a decent power-supply (since it also supports SLi, for future expansion, if you wanted to spend more money):

(link)

SS1

iTrader: (3)

once your pcs sorted if you have £620 to spare heres a REAL DEAL

http://www.gadgetscene.co.uk/product.asp?id=188

i bought one from ebay plus vat for £620 ish dell want

£942.35


http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna..._summary=False


DELL - Dell Ultrasharp 2405FPW 24" widescreen LCD Flat Panel Monitor. 500cd/m2 brightness, 1000:1 contrast, 16ms response time. Midnight Grey TCO99
Dell Part : 30906, Manufacturer Part : 200-30408
Usually Ships: 5-7 Days £942.35

but BATTLEFIELD2

ON ITS HIGHEST SETTINGS ON A 24 INCH FLAT SCREEN IS

FOOKING REALLY AMAZING

GOT THE NEW BLACK&WHITE2 GAME

AND ON SCREEN IT REALLY IS JAW DROPPING
ON THAT SCREEN

now all i need is time to play the fooking things

Zetec Andy

Cool, whats graphics card are you running?