Phil

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When the white EsCos went off on the first corner after coming out of the pits in the expert session in the afternoon, he was arguing with the marshals that they wouldn't let him out again in that session! (Or so I thought I could hear from a distance?)

Jon ERST S2

My point was why moan on here! Let the RSOC know how you feel (their PHONE numbers are in the front of RN)

Call them up and tell then. Perhaps they can then implement something for next year. to make the day better for all i.e scrutineering or whatever they think to improve the situation next year.

Redkop

So no-one is allowed to moan on here then? There were lots of PF members out on track that it affected. So your point is what exactly? There's posts on RSOC about it, so no doubt the committee have read them.

richm

I wouldn't bank on it...

ultimately, moaning is unlikely to fix anything, it may briefly make us feel better... making a constructive case directly to people who are in a position to change things might...

Jon ERST S2

the RSOC couldn't care less about whats on some internet board. They've made that clear MANY times.

Scott R

which is why i said i will say something at the AGM, if i get shot down for speaking up then so be it, but as you say Jon , thats the ONLY place that will get the any points raised sufficient answers.

martinrs500labatts

dingy mate, with quotes like this i wander if it was worth organising the touring cars as you clearly thought they where nicking your 15 minutes of track time.


still be different if they were at croft

oh and your car never misses a beat does it.

Anonymous

Martin, i think you mis-interpreted what i meant....

The cars that were out were awesome but some weren't running well - yet kept going, missfires can damage engines - personally i wouldn't be happy if it was my car. 3 or 4 cars looked to be running right, do you not agree that running a car that isn't running correctly on track is a good idea ?

Was good to see ANZ going fast for a change too

And a display whilst i organise croft will never happen

My car had issues all day - BUT as i am not inconsiderate i often did 1 lap and came in.....is that not the sensible thing to do

martinrs500labatts

some cars had problems including mine,

the idea of two sessions was two allow a chance to fix problems in the first session,

with the labatts car ect we tryed a few things between sessions and it did not work simple as, and you would have noticed that harvey only did like two laps and then it was missing and then came in the pits, i felt soory for harvey as he never got any clean laps.

the mobile 1 rs500 with rouse behind the wheel was mssing in the first session and they managed to fix it for the second as i watched it going a lot better,

the cars that had no problems were the ones that had tested a couple of weeks ago, goode, newman, dave brodie, and andy lloyds dick johnson car, all looked fast and had great fun out on track.

not all cars had the time and in an ideal work they would have ect,

even my ANZ car that i thought would be no problem suddenly decided that the cluch master cylinder would start leaking, dripping onto robb gravets foot during the sessions, and in both sessions it would not rev clearly and had a small miss at the top end rev range,

also to top it off gravet broke the gearstick clean of in his hand a couple of laps to go.

no way of knowing these problems as no dout i would have had tem at the next race meet, at least i can fix them now.

but thats cars for you.

COS 22

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i cant believe you lot can blame the rsoc for the poor driving standards out there

maybe next year we should make sure everyone is a competant race driver before we book them on ??

dingy, you moan about fuking everything to do with rsoc apart from croft and it was your mates fuking sessions up and burning things at our show if i remember correctly

as for parade laps at croft, not just your decision mate,

martin worked his arse of getting all those cars and drivers there and i cant believe anyone gives a fuck if they have a misfire after all the years in storage

get yer head out yer arse mate

Scott R

Cos 22, i think you will find if you re-read the thread you will see that no one is saying the RSOC was at fault for the lack of track time.

The main gripes seem to be the lack of preparation to some cars, the poor driving standards, display laps, ( which allways cause grief),
IMO the display is not worth watching unless its like what we had this year the RS500's and F1 cars, if they are motorsport cars then get them on, as thats what people want to see, the other road car displays are pointless, as everyone would have seen the cars parked up, so why would they want to see the same cars moving, when you have seen one white Series 1, what else can the others offer ( and yes i do own a series 1 before you rip into me )

If the owners of the parade cars want to experience the track either book a full day or pay your Ł5 to charity and get a ride in one, most of the people on track will,if asked be more than happy to take a passenger out.

RichardPON

That's always been my gripe!

I can never understand why people think its better to see a car moving at 30 mph from distance than it is to be able to stand next to it and talk to the owner.

Really iritates me

Eagle

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martin well done for organizing the touring cars ... bloody nice to watch... now i know why someone was playing with rob's foot in the pit lane
only problem i had was the crap driving standards of some people and that sodding van

COS 22

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what we all need to remember is its not only 100 track entrants we need to keep happy

the people on the displays dont think they are boring and track time was extended to cover this

its about a complete show package trying to please everyone and we all know never can

my opinion is that there are too many people bringing crap cars to track days

we had it at croft and we had it at national day, i dont mean it as a dig at anyone and i myself will be buying a cheap track car soon but i would not take it to say national day as i think the space is better used with quality prepared cars which is what people pay to see and want to see

there are loads of track day all over the country to take cheap cars on , theres no need for them at national day

i know lots of you may disagree with this but its my opinion.

Jeff Windsor

Mike

Sorry if I held you up but it wasn't intentional, I was trying to gague my car against the racing Sapphire in front (no 87 I believe) as I'm hopeing to racing my car in the same series next year. I'll but a bigger set of mirrors for next year, honest!!!

Regards
Jeff

Anonymous

Dave - i can't help my mates getting pissed and what the fuck this has to do with national day i don't know...

I was fed up when i posted this, to which if you had read the whole fucking thread you might have understood where i was coming from.

Where the fuck have i blamed the RSOC for bad driving or car setups ?

If you want to have a go at me about croft.....durham member no fucking breifing no experience no fuck all.....crash's 2nd lap.....

Rob Wiles

Dingy was good to see you again shame never saw you on track apart from when your bonnet was up
Looking forward to croft next year matey
Cheers Rob

biscuittin

i have to agree with dingy the track time was a joke at national day ,as for castle combe well that was even worse , i might as well burnt my money instead of going on the track .
can't wait for croft next year though i defo will be getting track time again

plynchy

So we should only have cars that have had Ł000's thrown at them at National Day?? What a load of bollocks! I use my Saff for 6 months of the year,it's by no means a bufty mobile,but gets driven hard and looked after accordingly. National Day for me is the one chance a year i get to have a good drive around Donny with some other like minded idiots and i thouroughly enjoy it.
Think you're getting a bit elitist there mate.
Only way you'll eliminate the absolute shite from getting on track is to bring back scrutineering,and much as you try you CAN'T get idiots to take notice of drivers briefings,unfortunately.

bigevil

didnt go to national day but a couple of mates did and also done ford fair.they said the same thing of both standards on the track were bad and they were only watching!was out on track in the focus and two mates in capris at ford fair and they reckon nobody bothered with mirrors in fact drivers briefing was a waste of time.bit frustrating when everybody regards themselves as a certain german megastar can understand the rant totally

kevmk2

Dingy,nice chatting to you on sunday mate,good to see the car on thr track and the RS500's were nice to see. I thought my mate with the orange MK2 RS2000 with 2.2 HT Racing pinto in it went well around the track,looks like a normal road car from the outside and inside He has my old engine in it and was flying on the day. Still on leaf springs too Hes going to go 2.3 when its due for a rebuild later this year. Should have some more grunt out of the corners then
I hope to do some track days in mine next year when i can afford another set of wheels and some sticky tyres All the stoppages on the day were annoying from a spectators point opf view,so must of been worse for the drivers out there.

Eagle

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scrutineering will in no way stop what was happening at the weekend...
things will break on any car...
some people need to have their attitude tweaked a bit ...
if you keep falling off, then get stopped from going out etc ...
i feel sorry for the spectators .. they are sat there waiting ... paid their money to see us idiots driving round a track .. all they get are red lights

i will for one be booking again can't get enough of it

might even do some extra days at donno next year

marco polo

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Justin

how was the slicks mate anygood ?

marco

plynchy

Is that Bretts? Thats one bloody quick car! Was going through corners at 80 ish and seeing him coming round sideways catching me up in my rearview mirror,funny as fook!
Quality car and he does know how to drive it!

Mike Rainbird

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Dave,
Can you please highlight the post that blames the RSOC for this, as I think I must have missed it ? Everyone knows and has clearly stated that they know it was down to certain individuals' driving standards (or lack of ). The only mention of the RSOC is that peeps will be mentioning this to the powers that be, in the hope that some suggestions can be made to reduce the carnage on track next year and Martin has received nothing but praise for his touring car display.

As I understand it, the general consensus seems to be:
1. Touring cars big success, so much so, do again next year.
2. Bin that fucking van, it's an embarrassment (or replace the engine with the original F1 varient to make it worth-while) .
3. There seems very little support for the parade laps as well, in fact I have yet to see one person giving support of them .
4. Given the enthusiasm for the big power cars, it would surely be an idea to use the van's slot for these to put on a display instead - people would PAY to see that . Just imagine the following cars on track without any other traffic: Scotty's Escort, Gareth's Escort, AM Fiesta, Bailey Escort, Reyland Sierra, Reyland Escort . I bet these would be up for it as well .

Porkie

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Totally agree with everything Mikes said.

Personally I though ND rocked RSOC officials were super helpful to me Great day out

martinrs500labatts

mike i would have thouth it would be possible next year to have say an exspert session with say only invited cars,

as this it whot people want to see,


heres my list so far:

steve scott
paul bailey
gareth lloyd
andy lloyd

would not be to hard to organise a say 20 minute session for just the super quick cars,

and then lets see if we can frow in some of the rs500 cars,

goode
newman
harvey
rouse

this time all cars will test and be as best to race cordition as they can, so we would have the chance to compare the modern cars to the old 500s

now that would be a 20 minutes of track time worth watching.

or how about seeing if we could get the ford saloons championship to do a 20 minute race at national day,

after all there ALL FORDS!!!!

and they would not take up much room or track time.

feadback required please.

Mike Rainbird

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You forgot the Reyland cars and the AM Fiesta, but sounds good to me .

Porkie

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Martin, we all hold race licenses as well Overtaking on both sides I reckon! thats if you do invite me Pretty sure the car is fast enough. I still have loads let to do as well Martins car should be off the radar as well. Just need to find a pilot for it

ooooh Just seen that thing you put about your race series. Awesome idea, should get some good publicity for your series

What about a classic race as well for the old 500's! if all the Marshalls are in place etc, it would be a shame not to!

martinrs500labatts

we would need about ten cars,

if porkie and martin hadland are up for it then include them,

as again we all want to see who would be the quickest round there.

Porkie

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up for it? errrr let me think

FOOOOK YES!

Porkie

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Martin, the more I think about it, the more I think you have had an AWESOME idea about getting a leg of your race series there. Think of all the people that would watch it that wouldn't normally. I'm sure attendances would go up for the rest of the races after people see what its all about.

Would be great for all your sponsors as well

martinrs500labatts

the main problem that i can see is that to race you need to be a member of say the brscc and you have to have a current race licence, then you can must pass the scruteneers like current in date seat harnesses and fire system ect,

so the best chance would be if we could get your cars into the ford saloon race for say a specail donnington meet,

that way you can race and do any overtaking you want, but remember the cars in front dnt move over for you!!!

with the 500s raceing this again would be possible in as much as if we can get all the cars to pass scuteneering and all drivers with valid race licence ect,

as most are retired ect i dout if they have one, some will and some wont,

martinrs500labatts

i will ask dave rose the possibilitys ect and then ask the guy that runs theford saloon championship.

but as you say its a no lose position as the advertising would be great for them and we get a chance to see some very fast fords race at national day,

just think how steve scott would like to win in front of say 12000 people,

i can not see any down sides to this.

Porkie

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Think you are misunderstanding me Martin. I'm talking about three different possibilities.

1. A round of your Ford Saloon Championships being held on ND for the normal series competitors.

2. A short Classic 'Semi race' for the old 500's and their legendary drivers

3. A Short 20 min session for the really fast cars.

If you bin off the parade lap and the shonky SuperslowVan I reckon it could all be squeezed in. Hopefully anyway!

Much as I want it, number 3 is not as cool as numbers 1 & 2 so they should take priority really. And hopefully if Dave lets the really fast cars do the charity laps as usual there will be enough time for some little battles

martinrs500labatts

number one would be possible hopefully i will find out,

number two depends on how many 500s want to come back, hopefully the ones i mentioned,

i still think the best hope is a round of the ford saloons, and then the 500s in smaller numbers mixed in with invited cars like lloyds and steve scotts and the reylands, and not forgetting bailey.

so we could have a specail session just for invited fast cars and drivers hence the marshalls are not so worried as all on track are very exsperienced,

if you or martin want to race we could possible have you entered if it comes off as specail entrys in the ford saloons, again i can find out.

RichardPON

As much as that's a very cool idea, I think there'd be huge legal implications with holding a race on the same day as a trackday.

I can't see the MSA ever sanctioning a race midway through a trackday - I'd imagine it would have to be EITHER a race day, or a trackday.

Porkie

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Marshalling and saftey things are much higher for racing? Donnington is obviously a proper racetrack. So If you can hold a race, why can't you hold a trackday before and after?

Thats the way I see it anyway I'm probably wrong

justin.e

I can see it now,everyone trying to get into the novice class next year

Marco,
the slicks were perfect mate but like everyone else you could only get them working proper and then red light........good to know the car has so much more left in it

DaveEscos

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