Doubt i will be doing national day track time again....
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When the white EsCos went off on the first corner after coming out of the pits in the expert session in the afternoon, he was arguing with the marshals that they wouldn't let him out again in that session! (Or so I thought I could hear from a distance?)
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My point was why moan on here! Let the RSOC know how you feel (their PHONE numbers are in the front of RN)
Call them up and tell then. Perhaps they can then implement something for next year. to make the day better for all i.e scrutineering or whatever they think to improve the situation next year.
Call them up and tell then. Perhaps they can then implement something for next year. to make the day better for all i.e scrutineering or whatever they think to improve the situation next year.
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Jon,
As mentioned, it wasn't about the RSOC organisation -it was about individual driver behaviour.
Castle Combe was about the poor organisation, and as a result, I wont be going next year.
As mentioned, it wasn't about the RSOC organisation -it was about individual driver behaviour.
Castle Combe was about the poor organisation, and as a result, I wont be going next year.
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So no-one is allowed to moan on here then? There were lots of PF members out on track that it affected. So your point is what exactly? There's posts on RSOC about it, so no doubt the committee have read them.
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There's posts on RSOC about it, so no doubt the committee have read them.
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ultimately, moaning is unlikely to fix anything, it may briefly make us feel better... making a constructive case directly to people who are in a position to change things might...
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which is why i said i will say something at the AGM, if i get shot down for speaking up then so be it, but as you say Jon , thats the ONLY place that will get the any points raised sufficient answers.
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Originally Posted by dingy
The RS500 was cool but twice ? Missfire anyone ?
rant over....
dingy mate, with quotes like this i wander if it was worth organising the touring cars as you clearly thought they where nicking your 15 minutes of track time.
still be different if they were at croft
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oh and your car never misses a beat does it.
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Originally Posted by dingy
The RS500 was cool but twice ? Missfire anyone ?
rant over....
dingy mate, with quotes like this i wander if it was worth organising the touring cars as you clearly thought they where nicking your 15 minutes of track time.
still be different if they were at croft
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oh and your car never misses a beat does it.
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Martin, i think you mis-interpreted what i meant....
The cars that were out were awesome but some weren't running well - yet kept going, missfires can damage engines - personally i wouldn't be happy if it was my car. 3 or 4 cars looked to be running right, do you not agree that running a car that isn't running correctly on track is a good idea ?
Was good to see ANZ going fast for a change too
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And a display whilst i organise croft will never happen
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My car had issues all day - BUT as i am not inconsiderate i often did 1 lap and came in.....is that not the sensible thing to do
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some cars had problems including mine,
the idea of two sessions was two allow a chance to fix problems in the first session,
with the labatts car ect we tryed a few things between sessions and it did not work simple as, and you would have noticed that harvey only did like two laps and then it was missing and then came in the pits, i felt soory for harvey as he never got any clean laps.
the mobile 1 rs500 with rouse behind the wheel was mssing in the first session and they managed to fix it for the second as i watched it going a lot better,
the cars that had no problems were the ones that had tested a couple of weeks ago, goode, newman, dave brodie, and andy lloyds dick johnson car, all looked fast and had great fun out on track.
not all cars had the time and in an ideal work they would have ect,
even my ANZ car that i thought would be no problem suddenly decided that the cluch master cylinder would start leaking, dripping onto robb gravets foot during the sessions, and in both sessions it would not rev clearly and had a small miss at the top end rev range,
also to top it off gravet broke the gearstick clean of in his hand a couple of laps to go.
no way of knowing these problems as no dout i would have had tem at the next race meet, at least i can fix them now.
but thats cars for you.
the idea of two sessions was two allow a chance to fix problems in the first session,
with the labatts car ect we tryed a few things between sessions and it did not work simple as, and you would have noticed that harvey only did like two laps and then it was missing and then came in the pits, i felt soory for harvey as he never got any clean laps.
the mobile 1 rs500 with rouse behind the wheel was mssing in the first session and they managed to fix it for the second as i watched it going a lot better,
the cars that had no problems were the ones that had tested a couple of weeks ago, goode, newman, dave brodie, and andy lloyds dick johnson car, all looked fast and had great fun out on track.
not all cars had the time and in an ideal work they would have ect,
even my ANZ car that i thought would be no problem suddenly decided that the cluch master cylinder would start leaking, dripping onto robb gravets foot during the sessions, and in both sessions it would not rev clearly and had a small miss at the top end rev range,
also to top it off gravet broke the gearstick clean of in his hand a couple of laps to go.
no way of knowing these problems as no dout i would have had tem at the next race meet, at least i can fix them now.
but thats cars for you.
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i cant believe you lot can blame the rsoc for the poor driving standards out there
maybe next year we should make sure everyone is a competant race driver before we book them on ??
dingy, you moan about fuking everything to do with rsoc apart from croft and it was your mates fuking sessions up and burning things at our show if i remember correctly
as for parade laps at croft, not just your decision mate,
martin worked his arse of getting all those cars and drivers there and i cant believe anyone gives a fuck if they have a misfire after all the years in storage
get yer head out yer arse mate
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maybe next year we should make sure everyone is a competant race driver before we book them on ??
dingy, you moan about fuking everything to do with rsoc apart from croft and it was your mates fuking sessions up and burning things at our show if i remember correctly
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as for parade laps at croft, not just your decision mate,
martin worked his arse of getting all those cars and drivers there and i cant believe anyone gives a fuck if they have a misfire after all the years in storage
get yer head out yer arse mate
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Cos 22, i think you will find if you re-read the thread you will see that no one is saying the RSOC was at fault for the lack of track time.
The main gripes seem to be the lack of preparation to some cars, the poor driving standards, display laps, ( which allways cause grief),
IMO the display is not worth watching unless its like what we had this year the RS500's and F1 cars, if they are motorsport cars then
get them on, as thats what people want to see, the other road car displays are pointless, as everyone would have seen the cars parked up, so why would they want to see the same cars moving, when you have seen one white Series 1, what else can the others offer ( and yes i do own a series 1 before you rip into me
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If the owners of the parade cars want to experience the track either book a full day or pay your Ł5 to charity and get a ride in one, most of the people on track will,if asked be more than happy to take a passenger out.
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The main gripes seem to be the lack of preparation to some cars, the poor driving standards, display laps, ( which allways cause grief),
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IMO the display is not worth watching unless its like what we had this year the RS500's and F1 cars, if they are motorsport cars then
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If the owners of the parade cars want to experience the track either book a full day or pay your Ł5 to charity and get a ride in one, most of the people on track will,if asked be more than happy to take a passenger out.
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the other road car displays are pointless, as everyone would have seen the cars parked up, so why would they want to see the same cars moving
I can never understand why people think its better to see a car moving at 30 mph from distance than it is to be able to stand next to it and talk to the owner.
Really iritates me
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what we all need to remember is its not only 100 track entrants we need to keep happy
the people on the displays dont think they are boring and track time was extended to cover this
its about a complete show package trying to please everyone and we all know never can
my opinion is that there are too many people bringing crap cars to track days
we had it at croft and we had it at national day, i dont mean it as a dig at anyone and i myself will be buying a cheap track car soon but i would not take it to say national day as i think the space is better used with quality prepared cars which is what people pay to see and want to see
there are loads of track day all over the country to take cheap cars on , theres no need for them at national day
i know lots of you may disagree with this but its my opinion.
the people on the displays dont think they are boring and track time was extended to cover this
its about a complete show package trying to please everyone and we all know never can
my opinion is that there are too many people bringing crap cars to track days
we had it at croft and we had it at national day, i dont mean it as a dig at anyone and i myself will be buying a cheap track car soon but i would not take it to say national day as i think the space is better used with quality prepared cars which is what people pay to see and want to see
there are loads of track day all over the country to take cheap cars on , theres no need for them at national day
i know lots of you may disagree with this but its my opinion.
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Sorry if I held you up but it wasn't intentional, I was trying to gague my car against the racing Sapphire in front (no 87 I believe) as I'm hopeing to racing my car in the same series next year. I'll but a bigger set of mirrors for next year, honest!!!
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Sorry if I held you up but it wasn't intentional, I was trying to gague my car against the racing Sapphire in front (no 87 I believe) as I'm hopeing to racing my car in the same series next year. I'll but a bigger set of mirrors for next year, honest!!!
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Dave - i can't help my mates getting pissed and what the fuck this has to do with national day i don't know...
I was fed up when i posted this, to which if you had read the whole fucking thread you might have understood where i was coming from.
Where the fuck have i blamed the RSOC for bad driving or car setups ?
If you want to have a go at me about croft.....durham member no fucking breifing no experience no fuck all.....crash's 2nd lap.....
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I was fed up when i posted this, to which if you had read the whole fucking thread you might have understood where i was coming from.
Where the fuck have i blamed the RSOC for bad driving or car setups ?
If you want to have a go at me about croft.....durham member no fucking breifing no experience no fuck all.....crash's 2nd lap.....
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i have to agree with dingy the track time was a joke at national day ,as for castle combe well that was even worse , i might as well burnt my money instead of going on the track
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can't wait for croft next year though i defo will be getting track time again
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can't wait for croft next year though i defo will be getting track time again
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i dont mean it as a dig at anyone and i myself will be buying a cheap track car soon but i would not take it to say national day as i think the space is better used with quality prepared cars which is what people pay to see and want to see
there are loads of track day all over the country to take cheap cars on , theres no need for them at national day
i know lots of you may disagree with this but its my opinion.
there are loads of track day all over the country to take cheap cars on , theres no need for them at national day
i know lots of you may disagree with this but its my opinion.
Think you're getting a bit elitist there mate.
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Only way you'll eliminate the absolute shite from getting on track is to bring back scrutineering,and much as you try you CAN'T get idiots to take notice of drivers briefings,unfortunately.
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didnt go to national day but a couple of mates did and also done ford fair.they said the same thing of both standards on the track were bad and they were only watching!was out on track in the focus and two mates in capris at ford fair and they reckon nobody bothered with mirrors
in fact drivers briefing was a waste of time.bit frustrating when everybody regards themselves as a certain german megastar
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Dingy,nice chatting to you on sunday mate,good to see the car on thr track and the RS500's were nice to see. I thought my mate with the orange MK2 RS2000 with 2.2 HT Racing pinto in it went well around the track,looks like a normal road car from the outside and inside
He has my old engine in it and was flying on the day. Still on leaf springs too
Hes going to go 2.3 when its due for a rebuild later this year. Should have some more grunt out of the corners then
I hope to do some track days in mine next year when i can afford another set of wheels and some sticky tyres
All the stoppages on the day were annoying from a spectators point opf view,so must of been worse for the drivers out there.
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I hope to do some track days in mine next year when i can afford another set of wheels and some sticky tyres
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scrutineering will in no way stop what was happening at the weekend...
things will break on any car...
some people need to have their attitude tweaked a bit ...
if you keep falling off, then get stopped from going out etc ...
i feel sorry for the spectators .. they are sat there waiting ... paid their money to see us idiots driving round a track ..
all they get are red lights
i will for one be booking again
can't get enough of it
might even do some extra days at donno next year
things will break on any car...
some people need to have their attitude tweaked a bit ...
if you keep falling off, then get stopped from going out etc ...
i feel sorry for the spectators .. they are sat there waiting ... paid their money to see us idiots driving round a track ..
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i will for one be booking again
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might even do some extra days at donno next year
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Rich,
I think Rob got a talking for cutting corners
his driving seemed bang on to me
I think we should call him Mr Rallycross from now on
I must add that I had the best session at donny to date yet and Ive done nat day for the past 4 years...had a real ding dong with jc and two rs200's only shame was I dont have it on video
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I think Rob got a talking for cutting corners
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I must add that I had the best session at donny to date yet and Ive done nat day for the past 4 years...had a real ding dong with jc and two rs200's only shame was I dont have it on video
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how was the slicks mate anygood ?
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I thought my mate with the orange MK2 RS2000 with 2.2 HT Racing pinto in it went well around the track,looks like a normal road car from the outside and inside He has my old engine in it and was flying on the day. Still on leaf springs too Hes going to go 2.3 when its due for a rebuild later this year. Should have some more grunt out of the corners then
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Originally Posted by COS 22
i cant believe you lot can blame the rsoc for the poor driving standards out there
maybe next year we should make sure everyone is a competant race driver before we book them on ??
dingy, you moan about fuking everything to do with rsoc apart from croft and it was your mates fuking sessions up and burning things at our show if i remember correctly
as for parade laps at croft, not just your decision mate,
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maybe next year we should make sure everyone is a competant race driver before we book them on ??
dingy, you moan about fuking everything to do with rsoc apart from croft and it was your mates fuking sessions up and burning things at our show if i remember correctly
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as for parade laps at croft, not just your decision mate,
martin worked his arse of getting all those cars and drivers there and i cant believe anyone gives a fuck if they have a misfire after all the years in storage
get yer head out yer arse mate
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Can you please highlight the post that blames the RSOC for this, as I think I must have missed it
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As I understand it, the general consensus seems to be:
1. Touring cars big success, so much so, do again next year.
2. Bin that fucking van, it's an embarrassment (or replace the engine with the original F1 varient to make it worth-while)
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3. There seems very little support for the parade laps as well, in fact I have yet to see one person giving support of them
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4. Given the enthusiasm for the big power cars, it would surely be an idea to use the van's slot for these to put on a display instead - people would PAY to see that
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mike i would have thouth it would be possible next year to have say an exspert session with say only invited cars,
as this it whot people want to see,
heres my list so far:
steve scott
paul bailey
gareth lloyd
andy lloyd
would not be to hard to organise a say 20 minute session for just the super quick cars,
and then lets see if we can frow in some of the rs500 cars,
goode
newman
harvey
rouse
this time all cars will test and be as best to race cordition as they can, so we would have the chance to compare the modern cars to the old 500s
now that would be a 20 minutes of track time worth watching.
or how about seeing if we could get the ford saloons championship to do a 20 minute race at national day,
after all there ALL FORDS!!!!
and they would not take up much room or track time.
feadback required please.
as this it whot people want to see,
heres my list so far:
steve scott
paul bailey
gareth lloyd
andy lloyd
would not be to hard to organise a say 20 minute session for just the super quick cars,
and then lets see if we can frow in some of the rs500 cars,
goode
newman
harvey
rouse
this time all cars will test and be as best to race cordition as they can, so we would have the chance to compare the modern cars to the old 500s
now that would be a 20 minutes of track time worth watching.
or how about seeing if we could get the ford saloons championship to do a 20 minute race at national day,
after all there ALL FORDS!!!!
and they would not take up much room or track time.
feadback required please.
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Martin, we all hold race licenses as well
Overtaking on both sides I reckon! thats if you do invite me
Pretty sure the car is fast enough. I still have loads let to do as well
Martins car should be off the radar as well. Just need to find a pilot for it
ooooh Just seen that thing you put about your race series. Awesome idea, should get some good publicity for your series
What about a classic race as well for the old 500's!
if all the Marshalls are in place etc, it would be a shame not to!
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ooooh Just seen that thing you put about your race series. Awesome idea, should get some good publicity for your series
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What about a classic race as well for the old 500's!
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we would need about ten cars,
if porkie and martin hadland are up for it then include them,
as again we all want to see who would be the quickest round there.
if porkie and martin hadland are up for it then include them,
as again we all want to see who would be the quickest round there.
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Martin, the more I think about it, the more I think you have had an AWESOME idea about getting a leg of your race series there.
Think of all the people that would watch it that wouldn't normally. I'm sure attendances would go up for the rest of the races after people see what its all about.
Would be great for all your sponsors as well
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the main problem that i can see is that to race you need to be a member of say the brscc and you have to have a current race licence, then you can must pass the scruteneers like current in date seat harnesses and fire system ect,
so the best chance would be if we could get your cars into the ford saloon race for say a specail donnington meet,
that way you can race and do any overtaking you want, but remember the cars in front dnt move over for you!!!
with the 500s raceing this again would be possible in as much as if we can get all the cars to pass scuteneering and all drivers with valid race licence ect,
as most are retired ect i dout if they have one, some will and some wont,
so the best chance would be if we could get your cars into the ford saloon race for say a specail donnington meet,
that way you can race and do any overtaking you want, but remember the cars in front dnt move over for you!!!
with the 500s raceing this again would be possible in as much as if we can get all the cars to pass scuteneering and all drivers with valid race licence ect,
as most are retired ect i dout if they have one, some will and some wont,
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i will ask dave rose the possibilitys ect and then ask the guy that runs theford saloon championship.
but as you say its a no lose position as the advertising would be great for them and we get a chance to see some very fast fords race at national day,
just think how steve scott would like to win in front of say 12000 people,
i can not see any down sides to this.
but as you say its a no lose position as the advertising would be great for them and we get a chance to see some very fast fords race at national day,
just think how steve scott would like to win in front of say 12000 people,
i can not see any down sides to this.
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Think you are misunderstanding me Martin. I'm talking about three different possibilities.
1. A round of your Ford Saloon Championships being held on ND for the normal series competitors.
2. A short Classic 'Semi race'
for the old 500's and their legendary drivers
3. A Short 20 min session for the really fast cars.
If you bin off the parade lap and the shonky SuperslowVan I reckon it could all be squeezed in. Hopefully anyway!
Much as I want it, number 3 is not as cool as numbers 1 & 2 so they should take priority really. And hopefully if Dave lets the really fast cars do the charity laps as usual there will be enough time for some little battles
1. A round of your Ford Saloon Championships being held on ND for the normal series competitors.
2. A short Classic 'Semi race'
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3. A Short 20 min session for the really fast cars.
If you bin off the parade lap and the shonky SuperslowVan I reckon it could all be squeezed in. Hopefully anyway!
Much as I want it, number 3 is not as cool as numbers 1 & 2 so they should take priority really. And hopefully if Dave lets the really fast cars do the charity laps as usual there will be enough time for some little battles
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number one would be possible hopefully i will find out,
number two depends on how many 500s want to come back, hopefully the ones i mentioned,
i still think the best hope is a round of the ford saloons, and then the 500s in smaller numbers mixed in with invited cars like lloyds and steve scotts and the reylands, and not forgetting bailey.
so we could have a specail session just for invited fast cars and drivers hence the marshalls are not so worried as all on track are very exsperienced,
if you or martin want to race we could possible have you entered if it comes off as specail entrys in the ford saloons, again i can find out.
number two depends on how many 500s want to come back, hopefully the ones i mentioned,
i still think the best hope is a round of the ford saloons, and then the 500s in smaller numbers mixed in with invited cars like lloyds and steve scotts and the reylands, and not forgetting bailey.
so we could have a specail session just for invited fast cars and drivers hence the marshalls are not so worried as all on track are very exsperienced,
if you or martin want to race we could possible have you entered if it comes off as specail entrys in the ford saloons, again i can find out.
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As much as that's a very cool idea, I think there'd be huge legal implications with holding a race on the same day as a trackday.
I can't see the MSA ever sanctioning a race midway through a trackday - I'd imagine it would have to be EITHER a race day, or a trackday.
I can't see the MSA ever sanctioning a race midway through a trackday - I'd imagine it would have to be EITHER a race day, or a trackday.
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Marshalling and saftey things are much higher for racing? Donnington is obviously a proper racetrack. So If you can hold a race, why can't you hold a trackday before and after?
Thats the way I see it anyway
I'm probably wrong
Thats the way I see it anyway
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I can see it now,everyone trying to get into the novice class next year
Marco,
the slicks were perfect mate
but like everyone else you could only get them working proper and then red light........good to know the car has so much more left in it
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the slicks were perfect mate
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Originally Posted by shamoan mother fukcer
so redkop here we go again,right so what you are saying is there was no flags out when he had his crash(which i felt bad about cause it was a nice car,i also got annoyed that peoiple cheered when he had his off)that crash did not slow the track down 1 bit so every one was going round full speed of course not,the day is for track and parrade laps you all know this when you pay your money,so does this mean the parrade lap people can moan at your partner because people could not see their cars going round the track for as long as it should have been,i did not say BOLLOCKS TO YOU TWAT,I SAID YOU would say bollocks to people moaning about the rs500 crashing and comming on a web site to moan about losing time or going slower round track or not having a proper track preped car,this is what all you so called experts are doing,nat day is for all and yes dingy i was on track at siverstone 1st time ever in my road car
ooooooo the shame and there was an off rs seb lost us 7 mins of our 20 mins session did we moan noooooo we had a laugh about it,so please stop moaning people it was a good day,redkop i suggest you read my post properly before calling me a twat TWAT
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