richm

strange... i did 6 sessions at Combe this year.. maybe I was doing everyone elses'??

Anonymous

Rich, i meant from the queueing and signing on etc etc....the whole thing rather than just actually on track...

You a Q jumper

RS2000CUSTOM

I had a superb day on Saturday - 127 miles in Japs Eye

On Sunday I only managed 70 mile

Knew Sunday was well fooked when an RS group car got Black Flagged on a parade lap - lol lol lol

Micky

I did 130 miles on Saturday and only 87 miles on Sunday,i was in the intermediate group on both days.I agree with the points about the very slow recovery of cars off the track,and also its the people who spin off in the 1st place who mess it up for all the other drivers.
Lastly,what is it with Cossie drivers who wont let RST's past them when its 100% clear that the bean tin has caught up with up cause its quicker????Does it hurt their feelings that a shonky 1600 CVH is lapping quicker than their mightly cossie???I know that 80% of cossie's on track held me up before i finally got passed them,a big to all the other drivers who had the decency and track etiquette to move over.
And Im going to name and shame 1 particular bast*rd who held me up on both Sat and Sun,the PURPLE FOCUS


Sorry for my rant,regards Micky

wildheart

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Even i was all over a few cossies in a fiesta rs1800 and they refused to let me past
Had to nudge a few of them out the way down craner

Rs Gary

what a load of bollocks this post is,i watched a lot of the track on sunday and it was the expert group(if you can call them that)that stopped more times than most,redkop i see you are having a bit of a moan about how many miles you had done due to mis-haps did you come on here a few years ago and moan about your other half stopping a lot of peoples track time when he had his off I DONT THINK SO,what would you have said to someone who was moaning about losing 10-15 mins of track while your partner was being looked after BOLLOCKS me thinks,dingy was you a born racer was you never a novice,did you do 50 laps round CASTLE WOMB before you were born,stop bloody moaning every year after nat day you moan, getting fucking boring now
cheeRS gary
AKA shrek

plynchy

You were same group as me Saturday,let you by my Saff many a time...didn't have much choice
Found everyone to be spot-on on Saturday,very relaxed atmosphere with only a couple of incidents,and the Mk.2's in my group were fantastic! Never passed a single one!

Anonymous

Shrek - I am guessing that you never paid for any track time before Ł150 is a lot of money to me and not getting your money's worth is not good....

I won't be moaning next year cause i will be in concours polishing

edd

did you get another bonnet yet m8? yours looked proper fooked

Redkop

No track time was lost the day Andy crashed!!! Suffering from your bigoted views of me again... twat!?!?!?!? The only time lost was for the parade laps for the Esc Cos's and 16i's which were cut short - so GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT (yeah I can do capitals too) before you spout your verbal shite pal! So BOLLOCKS to you too!

Scott R

Group C isnt expert its EXPERIENCED drivers

I have done track at National Day a few times now, and this year things were exceptionaly bad, it looked to me that the marshalls were taking tehre time clearing incedents as they were getting pissed off with the crap driving, especially as in the drivers briefing nearly everyone in the room had track experience, so not many complete Novices, and those that were novice/ new to Donno track went in group A.

I really enjoyed the day, left happy knowing that the last six months of preperation on the car didnt go to waste, was faultless all day. However i do feel cheated out of ŁŁŁ's in total i think i managed about 1hr 30 mins on track at best, which aint good considering you are supposed to have 2hrs 40 min. I only ever got to 1 chequered flag session end, all others during the day was stopped early due to incedents.

There used to be Scrutinnering at National Day, the last few years this seems to have stopped, maybe a few of the car failures could have been prevented if this still took place.

Also why dont the marshalls adopt a similar style as Bedford, if you come off in your first few sessions, YOU are then punished and not every other paying participant

Anonymous

Dono have the punishment rule scott - but its not a donington track day.

I had 30mins on track....


Bonnet pin broke - kelvar bonnt is fine

RichardPON

That's a very good point - even basic scrutineering is better than none.

Another point raised - I got black flagged!

In all my time doing track days, I've never been black flagged once,and apparently, it was for cutting the corner into the chicane! Anyone else get done?

Scott R

Glad the bonnet was fine.

If they have the same rule, why do they not enforce it? IMO regardless of what club event is running and using the track, its Donningtons, marshalls/staff, that are more or less running the day. So for there and our safety why not allow them to govern the track time

Maybe the way forward with Track on the Sunday of National Day would be to have a Donnington run track day, there rules etc.. and the saturday be an RSOC organised event.

Porkie

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Yes, guy went bonkers at me... and said do you know why?? and I honestly didn't so I said 'no'

He then got even more annoyed as he thought I was taking the piss and I honestly was just trying to be polite!

He said that I overtook the safety car on the right. I apologised and he sent me off.

When I got back in the pits I thought about it and remembered overtaking the car and the reason I did was because the safety car was coming down craner through to old hairpin and he stayed left and INDICATED over to the left!!!! so I went past?? I thought as he was a course car and he was indicating it was the right thing to do and didn't think I did anything wrong

cabrio zo

Sounds as bad as my Silverstone experience at FF, at least that was only Ł20 thats still expensive for 3 laps

https://passionford.com/forum/viewto...194&highlight=

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justin.e

Rich,
I think Rob got a talking for cutting corners his driving seemed bang on to me I think we should call him Mr Rallycross from now on

I must add that I had the best session at donny to date yet and Ive done nat day for the past 4 years...had a real ding dong with jc and two rs200's only shame was I dont have it on video

Northern Bloke

Yeah, I got bollocked for a couple of mishaps at the last chicane. 1st one, I got all locked up under braking and had to cut the last corner (I backed off and cut it but fair comment), once I put the outside wheel just onto the grass coming out of the chicane onto the start/finish straight (trying a bit hard) and once I got about half of the car onto the grass atthe same corner (track was covered in crap from the Fiesta / Escos Battle - we watched them drag half of the corner onto the track in front of us)

Got called in and was told that every lap I was off the track there - bollox, I've got the video showing it was the twice mentioned - and was then accused of dragging all the crap on the track till I pointed out it was the Fieast/Escos, to which I was told that they had been removed already

That was my last session, it was also the only full session I got all day, 6 flying laps all morning, 2 sessions were red flagged before I even got round Redgate after coming out of the pits, a little better in the afternoon but not much - VERY FRUSTRATING INDEED

But JESUS, some of the cars in Group C, and B for that matter, were seriously quick and I'm not going to dwell on the getting held up round the bends by the straight line merchants

All in all, not a good track day but I've never driven Donington before so that part was awesome - Craner curves are superb

justin.e

Northern Bloke,
thanks for always pulling to the right

Northern Bloke

You're welcome mate - Tigger is just not fast enough down the straights somewhere like Donny OK at Croft, Elvington, Brunters etc.

Never spent so much time looking in my mirrors (same goes for Ken as he was driving half of the time)

justin.e

even the road cars this year I think were flying I think alot of the rally cars etc were shocked

Porkie

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Not all the road cars Justin, this chopper was holding everyone up all day long!

Mike Rainbird

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Lee,
That was after I'd just done you through Craner and was starting to pull away .

I must admit I am quite put out at your suggestion that I was holding everyone up , as one thing I made sure of is that anyone needing to come past was given plenty of room AND a lift of the throttle if required (like for your slow ass ) .

Porkie

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Are you nibbling on my Bait???

DazC

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Your bait is probably not the only thing he wants a nibble of!!

Rs Gary

so redkop here we go again,right so what you are saying is there was no flags out when he had his crash(which i felt bad about cause it was a nice car,i also got annoyed that peoiple cheered when he had his off)that crash did not slow the track down 1 bit so every one was going round full speed of course not,the day is for track and parrade laps you all know this when you pay your money,so does this mean the parrade lap people can moan at your partner because people could not see their cars going round the track for as long as it should have been,i did not say BOLLOCKS TO YOU TWAT,I SAID YOU would say bollocks to people moaning about the rs500 crashing and comming on a web site to moan about losing time or going slower round track or not having a proper track preped car,this is what all you so called experts are doing,nat day is for all and yes dingy i was on track at siverstone 1st time ever in my road car ooooooo the shame and there was an off rs seb lost us 7 mins of our 20 mins session did we moan noooooo we had a laugh about it,so please stop moaning people it was a good day,redkop i suggest you read my post properly before calling me a twat TWAT look a smile and another
cheeRS gary
AKA shrek

Mike Rainbird

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Lee,
I knew you were kidding, just didn't want anyone else to think I would drive discourteously on track .

RSescorts

I have to agree with the rants over the track time, it was crap.......
we had 2 drivers using same car and in same group and very soon relised that we'd get next to no time in the driving seat, Luckily we were able to arrange a go in the group B and C, thanks to some understanding RSOC officals.

The RSOC done a good job, just wish the same could be said to some of the cars on track, but at least afternoon sessions had wittled out most of the unrelability..
mechanical problems happen all the time it can't be helped, it is something you have to take with every event like this (including Croft) but as to people going off into Gravel by driver error is not forgiving, same for something gong bang on track and not pulling over to a safe zone area away from the track that way we can still run under yellow caution for that area and recovery at end of session when on cool down lap.
Driving standards were bad, and i think some of that was due to frustration of not having time on track, and some made the most of what little time they did have, by going a little wild at times.

some very fast cars, some good drivers, some dangerous drivers...
i did have a couple of good sessions at end of the day.
but i think it will be my last nat track day, shame as i have had some good ones.


cheers.................Ken

Redkop

Just bog off Gary, I can't really be arsed to argue the toss with you. You started it so I'm finishing it! It was the last lap that he crashed on, as I was in the pit lane ready to go out for the Esc Cos parade laps, so at the most, the cooling down lap was lost. As I said - get your facts right and then you won't look like such a prat singling me out again, it's becoming tedious and boring now Are you even aware of how much tracktime was lost on Sunday in Intermediates and Expert? Touché

Jon ERST S2

If you got a problem why not call the RSOC up and ask for a refund/don't do it next year. Moaning on here aint going to help. If you don't like the way the club is run vote them off and vote in people you think will run it the way you want...

RichardPON

Jon,

As mentioned, it wasn't about the RSOC organisation -it was about individual driver behaviour.

Castle Combe was about the poor organisation, and as a result, I wont be going next year.

justin.e

nice pic Lee

Porkie

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Spot on RSOC did a good job at Donno

Combe was fooking shocking I'll still give it another go though

Redkop

Other years have been fine and most drivers who's cars were still running at the end of the day, got a good 7 sessions on track and plenty of mileage, at least 140+. This year in 6 sessions that were for Intermediates, I managed 59 miles. No blame can be apportioned to the RSOC for this. As Rich said, it was down to bad driving skills and maybe what appeared to me to be the slowness of getting the track cleared of the cars that had broken down or gone off.

Nevertheless, I enjoyed the day a lot, but was well miffed with all the red flags in both Int and Expert. The sessions (I think there were 2) that weren't red flagged were at max 8-10 minutes long (maybe less) only and not the 20 mins they were supposed to be. I defy anybody not to be pissed off about that having paid Ł150 to go on track.

Anonymous

THink i have caused up a stair.....

At the end of the day the driving of some people was bad, some cars weren't worthy of being on the track and the dinner break/display was over 2 hours.....

I would like to do it again, but simlpy can't justify the money for the time....its plain as...

As for complaining Jon, i have emailed the RSOC with some details and got little response - They are going to lookin to changing but not sure what.

Maybe if a session cause's time delay - this happened in all 3 sessions at the start of the day then the people should be banned for a session - that way they get time to get rid of the red mist and/or sort the car out from problems they had instead of rushing back out on track....

Micky

Now that is a bloody good idea,fully agree.Regards Micky

Redkop

If I'm not mistaken, didn't tracktime finish 5pm previous years? This year though the RSOC allowed track until 6pm to allow for the dinner break.

Scott R

As others have said its not the RSOC at fault, and i will be bringing up a couple of suggestions at the AGM this year as to how, hopefully, the issues this year are not repeated.

These suggestions are; Bring back Scrutineering, i know it slows things down in the morning but 'may' help prevent some of the failures we saw on Sunday, (Its not the answer i know, as Saturday track time was OK).

Use Donnington Circuits Track rules, simply being you come off in the first few sessions its the Individual that is punished and have time taken away, not the other track users.

Am unsure as to how you can control/police the poor driving, maybe if after a session you feel you have been badly overtaken, pushed off line into a braking zone etc... you can report them? then if that driver continues to drive in that style and gets several negative comments is black flagged for a session??

Anonymous

Thought it was 5.30 usually....

But over 2 hours needs over an hour

The RS500's going round were cool....as were the F1 cars but the display again LOL....didnt we see that at combe

Anonymous

Usually at dono you are black flagged for driving - this happen's all the time LOL