Cats and MoT's
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Cats and MoT's
Right... ive got a guy who is really interested in buying clive, but his main concern is that because she has had her cats removed, he will have to replace them every time she goes for an MoT.
She passed her last MoT without the cats.... how do you guys get round this?
She passed her last MoT without the cats.... how do you guys get round this?
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Originally Posted by St3V3_C
Or a fit woman to drive it to the test. Oh, wait,
So is there no way legally then that she should be able to pass her MoT without her cat?
bugger... looks like ive just lost a sale!
#6
the mot is changing and all the data will go to the dvla so your car will have to have its cats on in the future to pass its mot,if the mot station fiddle it they will be shafted from a great height if found out,you may still get the odd 1 doing it for a friend but it dodgy,
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Originally Posted by shamoan mother fukcer
the mot is changing and all the data will go to the dvla so your car will have to have its cats on in the future to pass its mot,if the mot station fiddle it they will be shafted from a great height if found out,you may still get the odd 1 doing it for a friend but it dodgy,
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Test according to which is older, engine or vehicle.
e.g. A 1995 car fitted with a 1991 engine (of whatever make), test to 1991 standards for emission purposes.
Note: The onus is on the vehicle presenter
Taken from http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_730.htm
Print that off for the guy Maria or forward it to him.
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Just had a fantastic phone call!
because the block pre dates the cat requirement ( ie its pre '94 ) it means that the cat doesnt have to be on the car to pass the MoT!
woohoo
i hope that made sense!
because the block pre dates the cat requirement ( ie its pre '94 ) it means that the cat doesnt have to be on the car to pass the MoT!
woohoo
i hope that made sense!
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cheers frog!
ive pasted him a link to this thread so that he can see what everyones replys are so he knows im not bullshitting him!
And cheers for the luck!
ive pasted him a link to this thread so that he can see what everyones replys are so he knows im not bullshitting him!
And cheers for the luck!
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maria,
because the block pre dates the cat requirement ( ie its pre '94 ) it means that the cat doesnt have to be on the car to pass the MoT!
because the block pre dates the cat requirement ( ie its pre '94 ) it means that the cat doesnt have to be on the car to pass the MoT!
dont mean to dampen the moment but the cat tests started in 1992, so unless you can prove the engine is pre-1992 then it needs a cat test
#17
my 1992 rs2000 on a k plate had a cat as standard but was removed and is ok through the mot because the cut of date is august 1992,so cars before august 1992 can legally remove the cat.
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#18
Has anyone got a list of the engine codes and when the engines were built, ??
Mine was registeted in Sept 93 but built in Sept 92 - Have I just missed out ????
Is it cars built or registered before Aug 1992 that don't require the cat test ??
How do you prove it - Letter from Ford ??
Mine was registeted in Sept 93 but built in Sept 92 - Have I just missed out ????
Is it cars built or registered before Aug 1992 that don't require the cat test ??
How do you prove it - Letter from Ford ??
#19
Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
ALL Escort Cosworths required a cat to pass the test and they ALL had a couple as standard.
It's also a bit vague with cars between K and M reg.
dont mean to dampen the moment but the cat tests started in 1992, so unless you can prove the engine is pre-1992 then it needs a cat test
The book states you must have an EXACT MATCH on the data in thier book. There will not be an exact match for Clive.
we are talking about just this one car don't forget.
I beleive Clive has a 205 block and earlier management fitted, so now it's down to >3.5%
Modern cars can't fail on 'no cat fitted' as long as they can meet the required exhaust test.
Maria, if the guy wants a better explanation, get him to give me a call at work, 0118 9894115, rather than have him try and make sense of everyones opinion.
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Moose 130,
I beleive Clive has a 205 block and earlier management fitted, so now it's down to >3.5%
I beleive Clive has a 205 block and earlier management fitted, so now it's down to >3.5%
like i said, its up to the owner to prove that the engine fitted is from a pre 08-92 car or it has to be cat tested, the management doesnt come into the test, it sthe engine that counts
Modern cars can't fail on 'no cat fitted' as long as they can meet the required exhaust test.
#21
not all garages have emissions testers do they? Im sure my car never had an emissions test at the garage I went to this year for MOT and the data is all up to date on the licensing website saying emissions N/A
#22
205 blocks were pre 90
200 blocks came after.
Anyone with decent word program and printer can fake a letter fron a manufacurer to say the engine is too early for a test.
not that I would suggest such a thing...........
200 blocks came after.
Anyone with decent word program and printer can fake a letter fron a manufacurer to say the engine is too early for a test.
not that I would suggest such a thing...........
#24
Originally Posted by digita1dragon
not all garages have emissions testers do they? Im sure my car never had an emissions test at the garage I went to this year for MOT and the data is all up to date on the licensing website saying emissions N/A
#25
I've done loads of research around this. If the car is 'First used' (basically means registered) after Aug 1992 and it had a CAT fitted then it will need an advanced emissions test. It does not need to have a CAT present but realistically it will not pass the advanced emissions test without one.
However, if either the car or the engine is pre Aug 1992 then it can have the basic test. But, as previously stated this is for the owner to prove.
Ie a J reg (1991 or early 1992) car with a 1995 engine only needs a basic test.
Likewise a 1995 car with a 1991 engine only requires a basic test.
As presviously stated the new computer system will tell the tester which emissions test is required so it will be a lot harder to get round it.
However, if either the car or the engine is pre Aug 1992 then it can have the basic test. But, as previously stated this is for the owner to prove.
Ie a J reg (1991 or early 1992) car with a 1995 engine only needs a basic test.
Likewise a 1995 car with a 1991 engine only requires a basic test.
As presviously stated the new computer system will tell the tester which emissions test is required so it will be a lot harder to get round it.
#27
at last someone who knows what there on about !
Test according to which is older, engine or vehicle.
e.g. A 1995 car fitted with a 1991 engine (of whatever make), test to 1991 standards for emission purposes.
e.g. A 1995 car fitted with a 1991 engine (of whatever make), test to 1991 standards for emission purposes.
#30
simple way round it tbh
Have done this in the past on rst's and cossie's
Take it somewhere before the mot and ask if they will test the emmissions for you.
See what it's running, if it's too rich, pull a vacumn hose off (somewhere descrite) and see if that helps
If not just adjust it on the ecu, remembering where it was set at before (obviously this is on a cossie).
Then take for the mot (remember not to boot it or take it too far away), get it throught the emissions, then go back to the other garage and readjust ya mixture to where it was before.
Have done this in the past on rst's and cossie's
Take it somewhere before the mot and ask if they will test the emmissions for you.
See what it's running, if it's too rich, pull a vacumn hose off (somewhere descrite) and see if that helps
If not just adjust it on the ecu, remembering where it was set at before (obviously this is on a cossie).
Then take for the mot (remember not to boot it or take it too far away), get it throught the emissions, then go back to the other garage and readjust ya mixture to where it was before.
#32
Originally Posted by richm
you won't get it through a post-92 test without the Cat fitted and working
Aslong as the emissions are within limits it doesn't matter if a cat is fitted or not.
#33
cossie1,
Aslong as the emissions are within limits it doesn't matter if a cat is fitted or not.
Aslong as the emissions are within limits it doesn't matter if a cat is fitted or not.
as rich says without the cat it wont pass the post '92 emissions regs on all three counts, fast idle, catalyst stabilisation and idle speed emissions
#35
Originally Posted by richm
cossie1 - correct, but what i'm getting at and Mark is saying is that it won't be within limits without the cats functioning properly
Every car is differnt and if the car is warmed up propperly and driven enthusiasticly before it goes in for the MOT / emissions test, it is very possible for it to pass the "post '92 emissions regs on all three counts, fast idle, catalyst stabilisation and idle speed emissions"
#36
trust me it wont - other wise - why do we fit catalysts ?
ive been involved in emissions testing for over 14 years now in one way or another, and even the latest euro spec wont pass without cat on all 3 tests , some will pass some of the test without but its that one part they fail on - simply is a fail
ive been involved in emissions testing for over 14 years now in one way or another, and even the latest euro spec wont pass without cat on all 3 tests , some will pass some of the test without but its that one part they fail on - simply is a fail
#37
Originally Posted by cossie1
Originally Posted by richm
cossie1 - correct, but what i'm getting at and Mark is saying is that it won't be within limits without the cats functioning properly
Every car is differnt and if the car is warmed up propperly and driven enthusiasticly before it goes in for the MOT / emissions test, it is very possible for it to pass the "post '92 emissions regs on all three counts, fast idle, catalyst stabilisation and idle speed emissions"
#39
the only legal way to get it through is to fit a cat ,i cansupply a down pipe with a high flow cat that dosent sap much power
i own a mot staion and all cars after 94 need cats the car whould fail unless the tester is willing to over look it
and the sugestion of pulling a vacuum pipe off whould make it fail as this whould send the lamda up and fail
thanks jc
i own a mot staion and all cars after 94 need cats the car whould fail unless the tester is willing to over look it
and the sugestion of pulling a vacuum pipe off whould make it fail as this whould send the lamda up and fail
thanks jc