BlueSmoke

How's it done and what kind of costs are involved to see around 200-220bhp?

Say the base engine was a 2.0 Zetec totally standard. Where do you go from there?

Ryan

you main cost will be the management, it really needs to be more of a specific question, i,e are you going to just bolt on a turbo onto a standard non rebuilt zetec lump, with a second hand t3?.

In my opinion its pretty pointless going zetec unless you want monster power, the CVH is alot cheap and easier to stick with.

PhilM

Ive just built a focus zetec turbo engine its in the restos and rebuilds section.

Were using the stock inlet, std head and cams, 500cc injectors, 3bar map sensor, Cossie 4x4 T3, Forged Pistons (8.2:1 cr), steel rods, ARP bolts etc.

At a minimum id say a set of forged pistons, exhaust manifold adapter plate for tuhe turbo manifold, use std inlet, custom management and lots of custom piping

Rossco

Phill what big end bearings do you use?

My engine builder said he wanted Vandervel ones but Burton say they are not availble and everyone uses standard ones?

Cheers

BlueSmoke

What's the Zetec like to work on for somebody with a limited knowledge that's never messed with an engine before? Sure, I've changed a clutch cable or two, changed shocks and springs etc but never messed with an engine.... Should I pay pros (which I'd rather not!) or get instructions from somebody and have a bash at it if I decide to do it?

I'd also like the engine to go in a Focus I think. What kind of power are you aiming at Phil? Does the gearbox and clutch not need uprating? Would they need doing if the engine was dropped into a Focus that was originally a 1.6?

joel_winders

for the price i'd get a stage 1 box off bernie at least, i'm only putting a 2.0 zetec in (non turbo) and i'm getting a stage 1 box, i know some of the other guys off FT who have done ZT conversions and im pretty sure they uprated there gear boxes

BlueSmoke

Would it be easier to turbo a 1.8 for the 225 or so bhp I'm after? And is there any difference fitting a 1.8 to a 2.0?

CCassidy

If your only going for 225 bhp, then I'd defiantely say fit the CVH turbo, gonna be a damn site cheaper.

Or go for throttle bodies on the zetec.

PhilM

Using AE bearings mate.

Id not do a 250bhp zetec turbo if youve never done an engine before, not really an idea first engine

We are looking for between 250-280bhp from this one, restricted by the turbo really! Bottom end is very strong

BlueSmoke

I was just reading up on throttle bodies. Would love a turbo'd car but there's no point me spending 3k that I can't afford on an engine if I don't need to do so. Is 210 - 225bhp easily attainable from throttle bodies? How much do they cost, how hard are they to fit, and who sells them?

If I go the TB route should I base it on the 2ltr engine?

PhilM

For 200-225bhp NA youd need headwork, cams, aftermarket management and a map, and TBs....very expensive!

BlueSmoke

Do you think my best bet would be keeping my eyes open for a complete engine to come up for sale then from a cost standpoint? Could you offer up a rough cost guide for turbo'ing a Zetec to 220bhp?

Not sure which direction to take now

joel_winders

you cannot really put a cost to zetec turbo-ing, you can have a budget but you will almost certainly go over that unless its 10k, roughly you could do one for about 2.5k minimum i would say but i wouldnt like to rely on it all the time.

BlueSmoke

Jeez...... I dunno the best route to go then. Not worth using a Mondeo duratec? If it's going to cost this much then I might just go the CVH route. Get a 230bhp RST engine in there or something. It will eventually be a daily driver tho so I don't want anything that's going to fail me easily.

Not sure what to do at all now. Need more power than a boggo Focus can give but not at astronomical costs..... <-- real tears!

Edited to add: Would a Scorpio Cossie engine go in, or would it be possible to install an XR4(x4) engine and running gear to create an RWD or 4WD car?

CCassidy

Yeah, if you want to spend £££££'s, if you wanted to go for 4WD or RWD, then you be best going for either YB or a V8.

From a standard 2.0 on TB's you have a guarantee'd 165bhp, but then you can add cam's, headwork to that.

I know of a 1.8 zetec on TB's thats just been built that has 215bhp, but it's an absolute screamer, crazy cam's etc (read as undrivable at low rpm)

PF Dave

I think that might be my one your mentioning there, 1.8, TB's and 215bhp? Forgive me if I am wrong. However, it certainly won't be undriveable at low rpm. It idles perfectly and has more power and torque than a standard 1800 Focus to around 4000rpm and then it gets rather funky.

Think how reasonable a 1800 Focus is, now half the weight. Should still be nippy even off cam, it's more to do with the management and how well it's mapped that's going to determine how well it idles and drives at lower rpm's, and the way I look at it, once I am out of 1st gear (maximum revs) I am smack bang in my power band anyway

HTH

BlueSmoke

Dave, how much did it cost to build your engine to that spec?

PF Dave

Think it's somewhere in the £5k+ region, but that's Field Motorsport built new Zetec engine, Kent cams, jenvey throttle bodies, Primary Designs bespoke manifold and Pectel T2 management and the usual bits n bobs.

It should be reliable at least lol