Rhys

Right in this country i always though we called legal represntatives Solicitors and the Yanks called them Lawyers. However everyone over here now says Lawyer. Is this another case of the American version taking over or they different things?


Just noticed it a few times today and i wanted to know

Dan B

I believe the correct term, in the UK and America, is "slimy back-stabbing money-grabbing sharks who'd sell their granny for a small amount of money"!

No offence intended to any lawyers/solicitors who may read these boards!

Katie

I refer to Lawyer as anyone with a Law qualification....makes it easier...

Then I use solicitor for someone I'd go to for legal advice =)
and a barrister for somebody who'd represent me from the chambers??

Tigran

They deal with different aspects of law - usually. A solicitor is also differently qualified to a lawyer.

Rhys

So, what qualifications as a Solicitor got compared to a Lawyer>?

Katie

A lawyer is called to the bar (hence barrister) and then works independantly eg from chambers below the courts etc....and work there whilst training in someones shadow for a set time....after which they become self employed.

Solicitors finish uni and then do a law practice course for a year or so after their degree....=)

as far as I know anyway...

*Anna*

It's all to do with the law degrees they take.

Solicitors take Solicitors degrees and Lawyers take Lawyer degrees. They all know the same shit but 2 are able to act more on cases than the Solicitors...................... and Solicitors charge £20 for a fooking letter.

Lawyers and Barristers both represent you in court no matter if they are from Chambers or not. You can go to either 3 for legal advice. A Lawyer is the umbrella and can flit between sols and Barristers. The middle man!!!!!

Katie

You take the same Law degree anna, no matter which you want to do....all the same modules etc....LLB or BA....

You choose at the end post grad where you want to take the degree....that's what I've been told anyway....as Law is what I want to do degreewise but don't want to go into legal practice as of yet....just always fancied a law degree....

That's according to Cardiff and Bristol anyway...unless they lie

*Anna*

That's near enough what I said. I asked here at work as I work with Lawyers and Barristers!!!!!

It's a worth while profession to study. Make sure you have nothing in your life they can pick at when you finaly pass your degree and try to get a job.

You wouldn't want to be standing in court and someone say I've seen you somewhere else...............I reconise your face!!!!

Katie

It's all about the degrees nowadays to be honest. Law is the most open degree for manipulation really. I mean it's the degree managment want if you haven't done business...not many degrees can be used as such a good basis for a range of things. Great for me as I have no idea what I want to do long term.

I wouldn't want to work in court or anything, as above. Legal practice isn't for me. I want to take a degree on account of interest in addition to usefulness later on. It's a toss up really between Law or something less vocational. Any degree from a good institution proves your academic ability....but Law might manage to tesselate into the sort of thing I enjoy more than the other courses that have interested me.

SassyRS

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*Anna*

so in plain english your basically using the resources of the state to
attend university to make your mind up what you would like to do in your
future career. Personally I would feel it more beneficial and useful in
life to study in house whilst earning myself a wage to put me through a
course to gain a qualification which I WILL need in a prospective role,
whether that be cleaning the foot bath at the local swimming poll or
practising law in my own law firm

I would suggest that you put your indecisiveness in another way when
attending interviews though as in companies which you may not want to work
for would see your reason for learning (or not learning as the case may be)
what you are currently attending university for and STILL be in 2 minds why
you are doing it as a bad sign and not the type of employee that would like
to take on board!

You will find though that if you study through a law company you will have more experiance and a job at the end of your degree. Being in Court is the best part of studying law and where you get more insite of what crap you have to put up with and professionalism and you will get recognised and recomended on good work and they help you with your tuition otherwise you will finish your degree and have no where to go other than McDonalds!!!!

Racey

pmsl @ you saying it in plain english but the other finds it necessary to use big words and legal terminology.

this is not a fricking law practice you know, its a ford enthusiasts bulletin board

they all fook you over for money no matter what degree or any qualifications they have imo

Katie

Resources of the state?
Ill be paying tuition fees, for gods sake

Many people attend university to better themselves. What about all these retired people taking degrees? Should they not strive to have a goal because its 'a waste of states resources'?

Sponging and degree aren't in the same league

I think you've created something here with that message that a lot of students and graduates would disagree with.


Any degree is useful. Many managers have degrees such as geography or history. It shows an ability to learn and a passion for a subject. I doubt there's any way that such a degree isn't worthwhile because at the time of taking it they didn't know where they'd end up.


McDonalds? Jesus christ....you've turned a useful post into you having a personal slagging match towards me, that I don't want to participate in on the basis of it being a waste of my time (and other peoples time reading it).

Pm me if you'd like to discuss my intention to waste the states resources.
Don't bring down somebodys post with an argument about the requirements to undertake higher education.

I don't want to lower the tone of Rhys's question thread. I think that's a bit disrespectful to him.

SassyRS

here here

Racey

fook me, with that reply you will certainly be good at law cos you can talk a load of crap in 3 sentences in what you could have put in one !!!

anna wasnt talking about old people wasting resouces, they have paid their tax etc and are entitled to lots more than at this point I am from the state. And lets face it, uni's do have people in them that just end up not using whatever qualification they have managed to scrap out of the years they have been there.

imo, personally I feel uni would be a waste of my time, i'm working for one of the highest paying insurance companies in the city, do I have a degree - NO, i dont even have an ACII (equivalent to an insurance degree), but i'm earning more from showing them that I have the balls to make whatever they chuck at me work.

In my case, NOT going to uni has worked for me, but i STRESS that is in MY OWN LIFE

Billabong

Just in case anyone finds it difficult to understand Katie's explanation:

Solicitors are lawyers who give legal advice to clients and prepare legal documents and cases. Solicitors often specialise in different areas: there are, for example, family law solicitors and company law solicitors. They do not usually, to my knowledge, appear in court.

Attorney is American English word for a British English lawyer. The D.A. or District Attorney is a lawyer in the U.S. who works for the state and prosecutes people on behalf of it. There are also, of course, defense attorneys in America who act on behalf of their clients.

A lawyer, in British English, is a person who is qualified to advise people about the law and represent them in court. We talk about lawyers for the prosecution and lawyers for the defence.

A barrister in British English is a lawyer who operates in the higher courts of law in Britain and speaks on behalf of either the prosecution or the defence.

HTH

Bill

Hayxr

pmsl! meeeooowww!

Hayxr

TBH who gives a fook! Rhys question has been answered pmsl!

*Anna*

There ain't no slagging match unless you want one Katie!!!!!

I'm just mearly pointing out the you are going to put yourself through all them years studying and not do anything with it afterwards. Don't see the point!!!

I can see the point of people wantimng to study Gerographs for the fun of it cause it's useful to use and you can pass it on but with Law it's useful to have and carry on practasing and will get you further than long walks in the mountains and fresh water.

Sorry if this is offensive but I'm ratty and can't be arsed!!!!!!

I was just trying to simply explain to Rhys what he wanted to know. I got the information off the LAWYERS and BARRISTERS I work with. Wow!!!

And I didn't say you should work in McDonalds I was just saying that getting a degree and doing nothing with it is kind of stoopid!!!

Katie

I agree. Some people don't want or need one. Personally I want one, for myself.
My dad has an ACII. He also wouldn't have benefitted in his career from going to univeristy. But he ended up in insurance purely because of time and place....wasn't planned.
But the amount of times he's said to me he wishes he had taken a degree, just because he always wanted to for himself. He was never in a financial position to at my age.
Whilst I have the chance, and would love to, I will.

Jim Galbally

tuition fees are SUBSIDISED by the state...

taxes which by the way come out of my salary... fookin stundents

doing a degree just because you think it's the norm or because you just want it to look good on your CV, or becaue you want to have a laugh, or whatever...

GRRRRRRR

PhilM

Anna, I think you will have upset a fair few students who use this site!

To say going to university is "sponging" from the state is stupid, I know when I finish, it will have cost me about £18,000 for the pleasure of going, and I must say, I feel VERY sorry for students in the next few years who will be subject to top-up fees (upto an extra £3k a year in costs!).

I went without knowing what I wanted to do for a career. I chose a subject I was interested in, that was a hobby almost anyway, something that I'd stay focussed with. Not because i wanted a specific career as such. I think most students do this, they will pick a course that interests them. You'll go, do yur thing at uni, but youll find all the time you are being shown different career paths, and are in contact with all kinds of people (networking). The opertunities for different jobs are endless, and are certainly not confined to any one course you pick.

Yes you are correct, if you get a job with a firm (instead of going to uni), you will be earning a wage, getting experiance (one thing you cannot be taught!), but, you are then commiting yourself to that really.....I don't think it is a bad thing at all to goto university not knowing what you want to do in life, quiet the opposite infact

FLO

PMSL @ this thread....

Solicitoros/Lawyers @ students are all frickin ponces as far as i can see.....all the same tbh!!!

Racey

like you say katie, do it for you, can not argue with you on that!

I am sure you are not one of the aforementioned young people of this world that seem to view a few years studying is a good way to to use my tax money for an easy life!

Stavros

nothing worse than knowitall student tossers, esp when they think thye all superior but know fuck all just think they do, and bang on and on and on about bollocks

not all students are tossers, but some, oh jessus christ, need a slap

Rhys

Least i got an answer to my question

As for Students well i worked 5+ years before coming a student so im getting my own money back Better go on me that silly things like court cases for asslymn seekers

Oh yeah and im of to Florida with uni Whooh niuce tanned chicks etc on the beach man thats the reason on its own to go to uni,

*Anna*

Solicitors appear in Magistrates Courts and only appear to Crown Court when summond.

Katie

Just one of those things Racey. I wouldn't go if I didn't feel I could really commit myself to it and do well, and do myself justice for the time input. I'll be paying my tuition fees, granted I may take out a student loan but they are just that, so they'll be paid back

By having any degree you prove something that of course, you can prove with experience in the workplace. If you're successful you will be so anywhere. It's all about personal preference. We all know what is and isn't best for us.

Tigran

I'm sorry but WTF? Would this be the 30k+ of debts I will have to pay back at the end of my training? Oh no, sorry that's all my own money

I really cant see the argument when people go down the whole 'you are a scrounging student route'

Billabong

There isn't one,lol, just bitter people who didn't go on to further education

I for one would love to see more people going to University to better themselves, and hopefully build up a nation of capable citizens rather than a 'third world' country full of scrounging mupwits.

Jim Galbally

tigran, how can you not see it? your fees may be high, but it's still subsidised, YOU are not paying all of it, the general populus are paying for it aswell.

Billabong

And? It's one of the reasons why people flock in their droves to the UK, 'the state system' - it used to work for the benefit of the country as a whole (we have some of the world's best scientists, motorsport technicians etc.. which created jobs in this country) Most people had a choice as to go on to further education or not, why penalise future generations because you chose not to?

Jim Galbally

bill, i think the system is great TBH...

what i dont like is the fucking wasters who are just out for a free ride... THAT winds me up...

FLO

soooo...the answer to the point of this post was........................??????????????

Billabong

Rhys wanted an answer to his question, and got several, lol.

Tigran

Still - as of sept I will be paying over 3k a year for the priviledge of going to uni. I will have to study after uni and do an apprenticeship ( a juniorship) for a total of 3 years - not paid.

Then I will have to suffer extortionate taxes once I start earning. I dont see why that's scrounging or 'dodging the system'.

Tigran

Ahhh ok - fair nuff - I can see your point.

Katie

There's a lot of wasters in all walks of life though.
I don't think students are the worst offenders for freeloading. Students go to uni and at least pay taxes when they do eventually get jobs...

Some people never work a day in their lives....and don't intend to

It's a case of if your going to make the most of your education/the nhs healthcare you recieve/and treat benefits as something to keep you going between jobs you are sustaining the country....people who waste anything in any respect just piss away everybodys money

Racey

hang on a minute people, who mentioned anything or the word "spongers", the quote which you highlighted from anna mearly stated that she (and I agree) have found it more beneficial to learn in house, ie study whilst working.

And i for one have enterpretued your statement of capable citizens as those that go to further education are more suitable in decision making than those with experince gained within a job

sorry, but totally disagree with you there. As a person who has made decisions based on cv's I put experience over qualifications all the time (unless i want to pay stupid money, then get a graduate who will work for pennies to get a foot in the door!)