Toe Knee

iTrader: (2)

Realistically what sorta money you looking at to build one excluding buying the car?! Running anything up2 the 600 horses mark.........

Bein serious btw, and a breakdown if poss on parts etc its gonna need.

Basically cos of the new job as much as its anoying me at mo im taking home ok money with the OT and was thinkin about maybe doing doin my saph to bigger power but been toying with the idea of a big bhp escos as i wouldnt be happy with a standard one or stage 3 sorta power

Would just get an SLR from work but they dont do them on finance yet

Cheers for any input

Kevin Sharp

iTrader: (3)

budget for around 10k for transmission before you look at that kind of power
there i,v got the ball rolling .......

Toe Knee

iTrader: (2)

Just for the transmission?! doh!! So that and buying the car unless i get 1 with a fooked engine thats near 20k already

Really wanna do something now ive got money coming in to get me noticed (bar crashing it )

But then guess will face the old problem for the money spent could have bought XXXX etc!! hummmmm lol

Phil

iTrader: (1)

15k odd for a 600bhp engine, 10k for transmission, 15k for a good base car, the n you are only 5k short of a Ferrari 355!

Toe Knee

iTrader: (2)

15k for a car im gonna rip most out of?!?!?! Wouldnt matter if running gear is fucked and no1 would pay 15k for a car their gona rip apart

Good escos's are goin for abour 10 if u look in the right places mate!

But yea theres the cost of making it vs what u could just go and buy unfortunatly but then theres the satifaction and respect for doing it that makes it worth while, aparently

jamesXXX

ive never seen a good straight escos for 10k

Lee Reynolds

No one?????? Sean bicknells was a concours low mileage minter and look what happened to that

And 'good' ones dont go for 10k

Tony Ryan

Tony ,
the answer to this question is simple

MORE THAN IT WOULD BE WORTH ! Loads of people go down this road to give it the large , once youre £20k into it and its still not finished the shine soon comes off it . If youre seriously thinking about it then you must buy someone elses mistake , a project thats nearly there or a kit of parts, theres always a deal out there . To prep a shell to cope with this would cost more than a half sensible Sapphire roadcar , a properly machined block is a grand plus , etc.. etc..
Been there seen it done it , got the receipts
regards
tony

Anonymous

No change from 30k to produce a 600bhp car to compete with the Top cars around, more to make it bomb proof a Skyline box is around 9k fitted im told.
Dont bother though by the time you finish the Top cars will have over 700bhp. .

ps. My Saff cost 34k to get to 200mph spec & that dont include the 3 previous conversion which were then up-graded. That Ferrari sounds cheap me thinks

JAP CRAP

as said, either buy one thats basically already done and add your own touches to it so you can claim all the fame or fuck it off and save for a 993

Cam

Best advice anyone could give you there.

Cam

ImaRacing 700

Unless you do it yourself Rodney!

Dunccoss

10k + for car
15k + for engine
10k + for box and diffs
then about 5k for brakes, suspenshion and wheels
then about 5k for all the other bits

so about 45k to 50k i whould say

Kevin Sharp

iTrader: (3)

that sounds about right to me!

GARETH T

and me,,, and thats why i respect people who do it,,,

i hate the people who go on and on at people to do this and that with there car,,, theres serious money playing about here

Alloy

I reckon it would be more than £50,000 if done right. I seen Mountune advertising WRC spec engines for £32,000, Millington Racing Engines can charge up to £35,000 and more for their engines too.

My idea:

£10,000 for the car.
£5,000 for chassis strenghtening, roll cage, uprated bushes, strut braces and roll bars etc.
£5,000 for a serious suspension kit and full geometry setup.
£5,000 for good wheels and big brakes front and rear.
£35,000 for a Millington racing Diamond Series Engine.
£5,000 for a full hybrid turbo.
£20,000 for a full Quaife transmission including gearbox, front, centre and rear differentials.
£5-10,000 for other parts such as cooling system ( intercooler, radiator, possibly chargecooler separation kit and swirl pot.), uprated hoses and stainless steel pipes,nice bucket seats and harnesses, full gauge set etc.

I rounded some things off to the nearest thousand, but all in that comes to around £90,000 odd!!!

Rhys

If you gotta ask you cant afford

Anonymous

Even doing it yourself you arent going to produce a 600bhp escos (4wd) for under 30K

10-15K just for the engine and ascociated bits even if you build it yourself, Easy 5K on the transmission even secondhand, 5K on chassis prep, suspension and brakes etc, that would need you getting basically given an escos to start with.

SapphyMike

also, you need to ask who you're doing it for and why.

it seems that the answer to this question, from the info in this post, isnt a logical one.

Alloy

Another thing to take into account when building car is the fact that you always end up buying things you hadn't budgeted for, it's very hard to turn your nose at exotic parts.

Anonymous

When are you going to tell us your new plan Phil

Alloy

How much do you reckon you'd save doing all the work yourself?

Anonymous

Yep i agree & when its finished they expect it to run at every event & competition cos it aint them thats footing the billS.
Im preparing car for totb, new clutch, 6 new tyres, pads, 4 bottles nitrous, race fuel, Transporter, Hotel. The 50k wont run it for a year so best budget 10k to enter a few events & replace all the bits you tear apart.
WHY DO I DO IT !!!! .

Tony Ryan

My Escort that i raced in '99 was £27k on the grid , i let julian godfrey build it and regretted it as i had very little knowledge of its working parts until they started breaking ! That was a 500+hp motor , tubular exh m/fold , RS 200 inlet , 8 injector , MT75x Sport box , Dome diffs , AP's etc..etc.....

The 3dr i built last year was just over £11k on the grid , by doing it virtually all myself and being careful with expenses .But then add a new diff £1k , another bigger engine , £4k , a T4 £1k, 2 new sets of wheels £1k and it soon adds up , difference is i cant race unless the car runs , so i have to maintain it all the time , theres no " fuck it , its broke i'll sell it !" Or i lose everything , and dont race and thats the important thing for me , anyway !
regards
Tony

Anonymous

Building things yourself saves very little money, go and have a look at the amount ive spent building my mini engine up myself for an exmaple (its a very similar engine to a cossie and almost all the parts would be the same price for a 600bhp cossie motor as they are on my 2.0 16v vauxhall engine)

The labour cost is tiny really compared to the parts cost.

you are talking 2 grand out of 15 probably that you are going to save at most, and often its MORE expensive doing it yourself as you end up sourcing individual parts that cost more than when a tuner buys them in bulk.

Alloy

So, would it not really be worth building it yourself in the long run? One thing about a tuner building it is you have a warrenty, doing it yourself you have nothing to fall back on if something fails, you only have yourself to blame!

ImaRacing 700

Bloody hell Mark doesnt waste time in telling the MAD camp REMEMBER RODNEY...*may let him do it* ...

Anonymous

Makes no sense at all with my engine, i could have bought an engine of the same spec for less the only reason i didnt is i ENJOY building engines, plus also if i have done it i know everything is correct, where as if a tuner does it i have to trust them to do it, and you arent spoilt for choice in tuners for vaxhall engines like you are cossie ones!

Alloy

I know what you mean chip mate, I used to build my own 2 stroke Motocross bikes up myself because I enjoyed doing it, little nerve wrecking a times wondering if you put something in right lol!

Anyway, what tuner would you recommend to build a big bhp Cossie engine, someone who you could trust in regards to putting parts in that it is supposed to have. I'm liking the work the Reyland guys do, but do they offer public service? I heard Harvey Gibbs at SCS was good, but recently I've heard some not so good things! The main problem for me is the fact I'm in Northern Ireland, my car would be dropped off in England for work to be carried out while I go back to Belfast - now, how am I suppose to trust anyone lol? They could fuck any old part in there while I'm gone! So, who would you recommend givin my situation?

Thank's for any help.

Tony Ryan

This is built and amintained locally for an Irishman Restricted but still a boot full of Horses !!!
Have a look at the bits in the engine bay and start pricing them up , baring in mind that a "wiggins "clip is £27+ before you weld on the lugs both sides !!!
Enjoy

Phil

iTrader: (1)

If you are doing things yourself you need to be prepared to 'bill' yourself for the time! Otherwise you can't really compare it.

Alloy

I know theres some places I could take it to over here, but I'd much rather have an English based company do it as there would be no trouble sourceing things etc. Theres also no guarentee that the tuner would take responsibility over a failure, infact he'd probably knock the bollox out you and tell you were to go ! Seriously though, most companies here ship out parts to England for tuning anyway, so I might as well just go the way I'm planning.

Side note, I seen your motor featured in FastFord and fair play to you Tony.

Alloy

Oh and Tony, how much would 19" centre locking O.Z's go for roughly? That's the wheels I want for my car.

RichardPON

Tony,

Why 600bhp though?

A 400bhp car is an outrageously fast machine! Keep it 2wd, and keep some of the costs down.

Alternative though are far nicer cars for the same budget as decent 4x4 transmission!

ImaRacing 700

I agree a 400plus car in 2wd is fooking mental shit Why you want more is just stupid Remind me why i am trying to add a nother 200plus for the road? ROFL

Toe Knee

iTrader: (2)

Well at least i started an interesting post for once

Main reason is now im workin at mclaren i can potentially earn alot if i put in the OT (Well for me anyway prob peanuts to some ppl on here ) and bored with my saph now not that i drive it much lol. If i went for an escos spending that kinda money i wouldnt be happy with it running basically less that my saph so the escos has gotta be 350-400bhp at least, as i said up 2 doesnt have to be that much but then when ur spending that kinda money anyway.............

Could also be cos im workin all the time and genrally bored full stop at mo

Hence just asking for ideas on prices

GARETH T

Tony Ryan,

whats a wiggins clip?