road legal dry weather 1/4 mile tyre...?
20-11-2018, 06:35 PM
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road legal dry weather 1/4 mile tyre...?
I think ill try something different from my usual uniroyal rainsport 3's for next years track days. must be road legal for general use but quite sticky for dry track days....whats your preferences?
I seem to have traction problems off the line even though it is a diesel auto
I seem to have traction problems off the line even though it is a diesel auto
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20-11-2018, 06:44 PM
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Michelin pilot cup sports are brilliant when warm, toyo proces r888 replacement too, Dunlop track day stuff are excellent but done last long.
make sure the pressures when hot and cold are correct....too cold and the side walls fail with too low pressure but you need to lower the pressures when they get hot if on track.
make sure the pressures when hot and cold are correct....too cold and the side walls fail with too low pressure but you need to lower the pressures when they get hot if on track.
20-11-2018, 08:18 PM
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‘I think the cup is more track biased. I used to love them on track, they took a lap to come up to temp so you ran the pressures low and then they just came on song and were awesome...same on the road but don’t expect to blast through a puddle.
20-11-2018, 09:21 PM
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20-11-2018, 10:53 PM
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Slightly conflicting uses....road.....1/4...trackday
A tyre that will be good for the 1/4 ( what surface ? ) probably isnt going to last too well at a track day
And a bog standard road tyre, probably isnt going to be too hot...or indeed last long at a trackday either.
888's, and especially the new R888R are overpriced, and in big sizes...have little tread so mileage will be crap. I've jsut went through a set without even putting any real hard use on them. I was shocked at how little tread was on them at 275/40x18. Oddly..these had much less tread than the front 235/40x18's
TriAce, popular with drifters off sizes similar to what you ask and are quite a soft tyre, for fairly sensible money and decent tread depth and appearance. I've just put a set on the back of mine, although havent had much chance to use them. But were recommended by a drift friend, and he said they were very very grippy. And the ones I got, 285/35x18 ( 100 ) are pretty soft.
https://tri-acetyreseurope.com/shop/
I had Westlake Sport RS before the R888R's ( again, another popular drift tyre ) and I thought they were good too, only went for the R888R when I did as Westlake didnt have the size I wanted. I was really unimpressed with the Toyo though which was a surprise.
https://westlaketiremotorsportseurope.com/shop/
But many do also rate the likes of Micheln PS2 or whatever names/numbers they use now. Lets face it....they've been around for long enough with enough motorsport, they're tyres should be good.
That said, I did use a pair of Pilot Sport Cup's a few years back and they were absolutely lethal. Might have been great after 20 laps or so...but for road use or anything like it, they were like driving on ice.
A tyre that will be good for the 1/4 ( what surface ? ) probably isnt going to last too well at a track day
And a bog standard road tyre, probably isnt going to be too hot...or indeed last long at a trackday either.
888's, and especially the new R888R are overpriced, and in big sizes...have little tread so mileage will be crap. I've jsut went through a set without even putting any real hard use on them. I was shocked at how little tread was on them at 275/40x18. Oddly..these had much less tread than the front 235/40x18's
TriAce, popular with drifters off sizes similar to what you ask and are quite a soft tyre, for fairly sensible money and decent tread depth and appearance. I've just put a set on the back of mine, although havent had much chance to use them. But were recommended by a drift friend, and he said they were very very grippy. And the ones I got, 285/35x18 ( 100 ) are pretty soft.
https://tri-acetyreseurope.com/shop/
I had Westlake Sport RS before the R888R's ( again, another popular drift tyre ) and I thought they were good too, only went for the R888R when I did as Westlake didnt have the size I wanted. I was really unimpressed with the Toyo though which was a surprise.
https://westlaketiremotorsportseurope.com/shop/
But many do also rate the likes of Micheln PS2 or whatever names/numbers they use now. Lets face it....they've been around for long enough with enough motorsport, they're tyres should be good.
That said, I did use a pair of Pilot Sport Cup's a few years back and they were absolutely lethal. Might have been great after 20 laps or so...but for road use or anything like it, they were like driving on ice.
21-11-2018, 08:19 AM
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I use the Nankang AR1
Awesome tyre, decent price, good reviews
Cheers Paul
Awesome tyre, decent price, good reviews
Cheers Paul
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21-11-2018, 04:24 PM
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I’ve heard the Nankang s are very good there was a test I read rescently against the major track come road tyres and they were near the top for grip and deffo they said last one of the longest out the bunch,just think people are put off by the first type of tyres they made years ago and got bad press,but these seem to get good reviews and not badly priced
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21-11-2018, 09:20 PM
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The track day road legal tyres these days that are made in Asia have improved a lot from the early ones and offer good quality at reasonable prices. I use Federal 595RS and found them very good for grip and wear. Nanking also do decent ones as well.
06-12-2018, 07:57 PM
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R888s by far the best for grip imo, but there borderline dangerous in the wet and tread depth is minimal even when new, but to get serious power to dry tarmac they are brilliant, my gtr had to have them on or it simply will not grip at circa 950 hp
07-12-2018, 05:11 PM
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888's are good...but not that good !!
Although having used both 888 and the newer R888R...I would prefer the old 888. Mine had more tread to start with than the newer tyre so from a road use point of view that helps.
Although having used both 888 and the newer R888R...I would prefer the old 888. Mine had more tread to start with than the newer tyre so from a road use point of view that helps.
08-12-2018, 11:29 AM
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Traction has always been my nemesis. To be fair, if the surface is very good, it would grip in 4th to hold a reasonable amount of power....such surfaces are rare though. Certainly any airfields here, or roads are almost all shite ! So there have probably only been a handful of occasions where it has seen decent grip in 4th on road type surfaces.
Although I never really have spent too much time playing with suspension to try and make a difference. Just never get the time to spend at venues to do that.
A good warm sunny day at Elvington wouldnt be too bad, but even the last few events there, weather has just been ok.
60-100 would be a very low increment for me due to traction and gearing. But best I can find here was back in 2016 at a local airfield with 265 Westlake Sport RS's. Strangely that day it was gripping better than it ever did on an asphalt airfield/surface and normal road tyres. That seen 2.9s 60-100 although that's 2nd going into 3rd. Traction control was still active throughout the entire 1/4 mile run so whilst it was my best run on normal tyres and normal surface....it still never gripped properly anywhere during the run. I've gotten close to that with 888's on one or two occasions but those cheap ass Westlakes were just better. And as they were cheap, didnt mind doing burnouts, which did help a little too, but it was also easy to overdo the burnout which did make the runs slower.
Last time at Santa Pod before the clutch slipped that dropped to 2.4s but on proper tyres, still a 2-3 shift. 2nd only goes to about 85-90mph, and 3rd would be a little tall to start as low as 60mph for a single gear pull.
It'll be next year before I can try anything with the TriAce tyres now, but as mentioned earlier, they definitely feel soft so hopefully they'll be good.
I also see on another forum a few guys praising those Extreme remould tyres from Poland as very grippy for light track and hillclimb type use. Any prices I've seen seem high for remoulds though, and they also dont have particularly high speed ratings, which in this day and age could have legal issues for a road car regardless of speed limits.
Although I never really have spent too much time playing with suspension to try and make a difference. Just never get the time to spend at venues to do that.
A good warm sunny day at Elvington wouldnt be too bad, but even the last few events there, weather has just been ok.
60-100 would be a very low increment for me due to traction and gearing. But best I can find here was back in 2016 at a local airfield with 265 Westlake Sport RS's. Strangely that day it was gripping better than it ever did on an asphalt airfield/surface and normal road tyres. That seen 2.9s 60-100 although that's 2nd going into 3rd. Traction control was still active throughout the entire 1/4 mile run so whilst it was my best run on normal tyres and normal surface....it still never gripped properly anywhere during the run. I've gotten close to that with 888's on one or two occasions but those cheap ass Westlakes were just better. And as they were cheap, didnt mind doing burnouts, which did help a little too, but it was also easy to overdo the burnout which did make the runs slower.
Last time at Santa Pod before the clutch slipped that dropped to 2.4s but on proper tyres, still a 2-3 shift. 2nd only goes to about 85-90mph, and 3rd would be a little tall to start as low as 60mph for a single gear pull.
It'll be next year before I can try anything with the TriAce tyres now, but as mentioned earlier, they definitely feel soft so hopefully they'll be good.
I also see on another forum a few guys praising those Extreme remould tyres from Poland as very grippy for light track and hillclimb type use. Any prices I've seen seem high for remoulds though, and they also dont have particularly high speed ratings, which in this day and age could have legal issues for a road car regardless of speed limits.
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