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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 11:56 AM
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It is probably time for the fabricators to work on a solution other than Supra. Obviously you need to get the ratio you want but a yank alloy one appeals to me. I would like a front diff option other than R n D but that is only due to the cost of those buggers.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 03:14 PM
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That's it though thiers not enough demand modified cossys are a minority nowadays only people with know how or mates with it are going to bother trying something else supras the only one that has had the conversion kit made that's why we've all got them don't listen to gayjay he drives a focus lol
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 05:30 PM
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Apologies for my earlier post, some covers are still available it would seem. I think you can get them Without the square corners.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 06:41 PM
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Good to know covers are still available thanks for posting that. I've recently got a 3.9 supra diff but don't have any of the other parts needed yet.
my 7.5" ford doesn't sound healthy and has some free play on the input side so want to get it swapped over this winter. Be nice to get a 6 degree beam ready for the supra diff to bolt straight in. Anyone know if these are available?

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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad_Mat
Good to know covers are still available thanks for posting that. I've recently got a 3.9 supra diff but don't have any of the other parts needed yet.
my 7.5" ford doesn't sound healthy and has some free play on the input side so want to get it swapped over this winter. Be nice to get a 6 degree beam ready for the supra diff to bolt straight in. Anyone know if these are available?

yes MT and Mk sell then i I had mine done by MK, pics above before I sold it on here and went cradle. You can have bladed anti roll bar mounts added at same time. You need to exchange in an old beam ideally but worth checking as sometime they have them on shelf.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad_Mat
Good to know covers are still available thanks for posting that. I've recently got a 3.9 supra diff but don't have any of the other parts needed yet.
my 7.5" ford doesn't sound healthy and has some free play on the input side so want to get it swapped over this winter. Be nice to get a 6 degree beam ready for the supra diff to bolt straight in. Anyone know if these are available?
mat arnt you rwd? The 3.7 is the one more suited I believe
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 09:19 PM
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Funny how one broken CWP makes the diff crap.
The problem that people don't consider is not hp its torque and where in the rpm range that occurs.
Other considerations with the Ford units are the ally cases. They distort under big torque, this unloads the mesh of the CWP, it jumps a tooth and munches itself into oblivion.
This is the case with the front 6" and all the rears (excpt 9").
Lots of work was done when using for competition, first was don't use the 3.9 front, the physical tooth count is too low on the pinion to get any cut into it. That is why step offs came about for the MT75.
There are motorsport backlash settings, this does affect life and noise though.

If i could I would upload a video of us launching the Escort on 235 Pirelli slick tyres on launch at 1.5bar boost at 3600rpm with over 500nm torque. No wheelspin in the dry.

Still using a 7.5" rear but a home made front diff/shafts setup from the rear of another vehicle. Same ratio front and rear, both plated LSDs.

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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 10:42 PM
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That’s why I was wondering tooth contact pattern ect, what backlash do you set your diff at for competition? I set mine to 0.15mm which I believe is a bit on the slack side going off what the manual recommended.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 10:44 PM
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Only thing worth mentioning mark is yours being 4x4 so it will see less torque to the rear wheels than a rwd car
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam-M
Only thing worth mentioning mark is yours being 4x4 so it will see less torque to the rear wheels than a rwd car
it can be either or as the transmission maps decide or i leave the diff open and its 100% rwd. I've done rallies like that in it.
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Old Sep 27, 2018 | 11:48 PM
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I broke 2 lol no way I was doing it a 3rd time lol plus I take the advice of a well respected tuner who said the standard diff and gearbox will not last at your power level. He was right as I busted both lol. And your not wrong it is torque that breaks them but only if paired with grip! You iver spin it off of you grip and break things!
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Originally Posted by Adam-M
That’s why I was wondering tooth contact pattern ect, what backlash do you set your diff at for competition? I set mine to 0.15mm which I believe is a bit on the slack side going off what the manual recommended.
No idea why there’s double posts this new passionford set up is rubbish

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Originally Posted by Adam-M
That’s why I was wondering tooth contact pattern ect, what backlash do you set your diff at for competition? I set mine to 0.15mm which I believe is a bit on the slack side going off what the manual recommended.
I build many diffs and gearbox’s at work we are a transmission specialist for daf. Mine was set up by myself. The back lash was spot on to fords tolerance and the contact pattern between the cwp was a nice tooth imprint on the crown wheel from the pinion in the middle of the teeth with the yellow contact paint we use at work
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Old Sep 28, 2018 | 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by smiley
mat arnt you rwd? The 3.7 is the one more suited I believe
I am rwd mate. I believe you can get the supra diff in a variety of ratios. The 3.9 might be a little short on the motorway i have not done the maths but it should really pick up well.

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Old Sep 28, 2018 | 06:09 AM
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Sound mate won't belong until your releasing more ponnies lol that engine is good for it
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Old Sep 28, 2018 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by smiley
don't listen to gayjay he drives a focus lol
Bollox its reliable youth
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Old Sep 28, 2018 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack

Here is my MK one

With diff and cover


This one has the blades anti roll bar mounts
thats great thanks for sharing, Iv been in touch with mk and going to take my beam off and send it too him too do.
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Old Sep 28, 2018 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Mad_Mat
I am rwd mate. I believe you can get the supra diff in a variety of ratios. The 3.9 might be a little short on the motorway i have not done the maths but it should really pick up well.
I think the Cossie was always too long geared and anything that can shorten the gearing makes for a more lively car...that is certainly the case on the 4x4 but not sure if the 2wd was any different?
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Old Sep 28, 2018 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by markk

Lots of work was done when using for competition, first was don't use the 3.9 front, the physical tooth count is too low on the pinion to get any cut into it. That is why step offs came about for the MT75.
There are motorsport backlash settings, this does affect life and noise though.

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Yes, Bara said to me that no matter what you do the 3.9 CWP is the weak link and will be the bit that breaks first on my diff. He said that it will not take the quaife diff with it so if I break it I can sell on the diff and then upgrade. He thought it was marginal at 500 bhp / 500 torque depending on how it was used but he is pretty certain that my stroker at 630bhp and whatever bigger torque it makes that it will most likely not last all that long.

I am hoping that my car being light will help as ultimately it may well just spin the tyres. I only have 215 section track day tyres as that is as big as I can go.
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Old Sep 28, 2018 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay,
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lol my focus won't be then
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Old Sep 28, 2018 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by smiley
lol my focus won't be then

The thing for me was the usability and fun and with the YB they always break something lol and the expense of parts ect these days for me its not economic sense
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Originally Posted by Jay,
The thing for me was the usability and fun and with the YB they always break something lol and the expense of parts ect these days for me its not economic sense
you know me mate just playin and you know I wanted a frs but not fwd reason behind my project
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Originally Posted by smiley
you know me mate just playin and you know I wanted a frs but not fwd reason behind my project

And itll be a special car mate when done and cant wait to see it
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Old Sep 29, 2018 | 08:45 AM
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This is the sort of thing we have been looking at for mine. 9 inch yank CWP in 3.9 or any other ratio and then a bespoke ally housing and then output shafts to suit and then made with brackets to fit the ford normal setup. They can take 1000’s of bhp and much lighter. Similar for the front too.
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It’s a strange looking thing but sounds like a great idea especially if it fits in the original beam mounts.
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Old Sep 29, 2018 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam-M
It’s a strange looking thing but sounds like a great idea especially if it fits in the original beam mounts.
yes, it does look odd like that, I have said it needs to have a replica of a cossie diff cover on the back somehow so that the historic racers can use them in place of a 9 inch diff.

I agree it needs to fit normal diff mounts.

Hopefully the prototype type will be ready early next yr.
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Old Sep 29, 2018 | 03:22 PM
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Be interesting to see what sort of money is in a bespoke diff like this
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Old Sep 29, 2018 | 03:38 PM
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I don’t think they are going to be crazy money compared to doing a supra diff, diff kit, weir kit and flanges etc..
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Old Sep 29, 2018 | 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by markk
Funny how one broken CWP makes the diff crap.
The problem that people don't consider is not hp its torque and where in the rpm range that occurs.
Other considerations with the Ford units are the ally cases. They distort under big torque, this unloads the mesh of the CWP, it jumps a tooth and munches itself into oblivion.
This is the case with the front 6" and all the rears (excpt 9").
Lots of work was done when using for competition, first was don't use the 3.9 front, the physical tooth count is too low on the pinion to get any cut into it. That is why step offs came about for the MT75.
There are motorsport backlash settings, this does affect life and noise though.

If i could I would upload a video of us launching the Escort on 235 Pirelli slick tyres on launch at 1.5bar boost at 3600rpm with over 500nm torque. No wheelspin in the dry.

Still using a 7.5" rear but a home made front diff/shafts setup from the rear of another vehicle. Same ratio front and rear, both plated LSDs.
I know of loads of 2wd saffs over the years that have shredded the cwp with power of 500hp plus.
As Andy mentioned once you uprate the diff the next weak link is the cwp hence people started to use the supra stuff as it’s bullet proof in cosworths.
There are def not lots of other options out there for diffs to fit in a saff, without lots of fab work and r&d it makes sense to go with what’s tried and tested.

Cheers Paul
Its not that dear a conversion considering
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Originally Posted by ajamesc

No idea why there’s double posts this new passionford set up is rubbish
James have you got a pic of the inside of your cover had a chat with mt yesterday about one of his covers he has he mentioned it would need the baffle from the og cover welding in the bowl of the new cover my mk has no baffle or anyone else's I've seen
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Old Sep 30, 2018 | 10:18 AM
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No I don’t but its the hollow of the dome shape you see.





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Old Sep 30, 2018 | 10:39 AM
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Never heard of a baffle and do not recal one on the standard cover? I know they have a breather at the top.
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Old Sep 30, 2018 | 10:42 AM
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Mine has the small breather port at the top. It came with the extra fitting holes drilled for an oil cooler. Obviously as in the picture there blanked off in mine as I’ll not get the oil hot enough to need one in a road car.
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It's funny how this post has changed over the last week . My Supra diff is all plumb up
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Hmmm maybe meaning plumbing for cooler
"I have a silver cover it was from my first batch that I didn’t put the baffle section in so if you wanted it you would have to cut that piece out the inner bowl of your std cover and weld it into mine. The cover"

yes Ian nice to have morphed into an interesting post on here
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Originally Posted by Caddyshack
Never heard of a baffle and do not recal one on the standard cover? I know they have a breather at the top.
hi toby
mine have always had a baffle in and marks/mt put one in his later ones as they need it or they will blow the oil out breather
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Originally Posted by COLEYST200

It's funny how this post has changed over the last week . My Supra diff is all plumb up
what is that sensor doing ?
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Originally Posted by FLAT TRACK
hi toby
mine have always had a baffle in and marks/mt put one in his later ones as they need it or they will blow the oil out breather
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I think that my idea of the baffle is something different. I guess I was aware of the need to cover the oil breather.

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Originally Posted by COLEYST200

It's funny how this post has changed over the last week . My Supra diff is all plumb up
You done a nice job on modifying that cover mate 👍

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Originally Posted by timsrs

MK Supply the covers to MT
No he doesn’t, who told you that? I machine my own thanks
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