Rowe

Afternoon chaps. I'm just after some advice really.
I'm looking into getting a rollcage, primarily to be safe. My question is, how far should I go with it?
Bolt in cages can be had for around 600 quid which require minimal welding, and then you have massively intricate multipoint cages which are around 2 grand installed.


At a bit of a lost end with it really. Is a bolt in cage sufficient?

STeve

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really depends how far you want to go with the car, as people like custom cages in northants or a bolt in OMP jobby, if its for fun I would go OMP more than a bespoke one

Rowe

It is for fun, and I don't intend on doing anything competition based. I just want something that's built right and not for asthetics if you get what I mean.
I'm not sure if a 6 point bolt in is sufficient....... Do I need a weld in cage.... I don't know

Jay,

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Custom cages dont fit brilliantly so you need to b e quite good at fabricating to get it in right .

There is nothing wrong with a safety devices cage it will save your it just doesn't offer the rigidity a weld in cage does and obviously the more the more bars the more pick ups and strength

STeve

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if you buy one that bolts in I would still weld it too but thats me, Jay knows his stuff ^

Rowe

So it's pretty much a consensus that a weld in one would be better. Cheers gents.

Jay,

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Weld in stiffens up the chassis a massive amount over a bolt in as they still twist quite alarmingly but again they do the job in not letting the car collapse but I would fit a weld in Cage tbh

Rowe

Cheers Jay!
Next question....... Where near stoke on trent does cages lol

Fullflush

Any decent fabricator can help you out

Jay,

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I would find someone who is experienced in Cage building don't use any old Joe that can weld as if something goes wrong you need come back . Research companies that build to a msa or fia guides

ajamesc

Going to maybe put a cage in mine when it's back on the road one that fits round all the interior

doga-ot

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Another good point too look at before moving forward i was going to have a cage fitted and was advised not too due to affecting insurance but i wanted cage so i called lots of insurance companies for quotes most wouldnt touch it just because of a cage and the ones that would wanted stupid money so i never bothered in the end!

The Black Count

Does the car really need a roll cage? as its not being used in competition is it really only being installed for looks? and the extra weight added to the car will have a negative effect on performance, would the money be better spent elsewhere?

ajamesc

I think if you have a very powerful car and it's rwd and easy to loose control of ending up on the roof could be quite dangerous lol

Jay,

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Like Rods

ajamesc

Maybe or one of Andy Robinsons ones it's something I will be looking into mate

steppy

speak to steve (frogger) at retro motorsport

The Black Count

Interested to know why people think a roll cage is a must have mod, if doing 200mph or in competition I fully understand but lets say you have a 500bhp focus on a track day and make a complete mess of a corner, speed is likely to be 70mph ish or less and your luck has ran out the car rolls, are cars not made strong enough to cope?

Jay,

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Well roll your dice take your chances depends of the situation but i wouldnt be happy rolling a car at 50 . I have seen many crash's at 50 and above on circuits with rolling and the driver is quite happy the cage is fitted and tbh on the road there is a lot more to hit lol . People tend to fit cages in hope of never to use them lol

burnzy

Do you remember the lad that died in his saff when someone put spikes in the road stopping the street racers? Iirc it just folded up and a cage could of potentially saved his life, roads are a lot more dangerous than tracks, and sierras hardly have a NCAP 5* rating.

BigChuck

Another thing to remember is unless your wearing a helmet and are properly harnessed in, all that extra tubing in the car could do you more harm than good in a crash.

Rowe

I think a helmet is a minimum requirement nowadays. I've bucket seats (although they are not fia approved ones), and a set of in date harness properly mounted and plated where they go through the floor.

M K

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Cages can be as complex or simple as you want depending on needs and use etc, I just finished this full weld in job in an escort

As said in a road car you need to make sure all bars are properly padded as you wouldn't want to be hitting your head on a cage

This one was built to 2016 blue book regs as although it will never compete it's better to build to a standard with properly specced materials







Price wise it can vary a lot depending on what you want and extras like weld in seat bars

Rowe

As a guideline, what would something like that cost Mk?

Caddyshack

I bet over £3000 as a wild guess...probably a lot more actually

jonfoc

Talk to Mark at MK Motorsport, he's just given me a quote that's a lot less than £3k. For a focus RS mk1.

Ridgey

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Unless you have bucket seat and harnesses to hold you in place, you shouldn't have a roll cage, it's a danger to you otherwise.

Caddyshack

Totally agree with Ridgey

Rowe

I do.... Part of my reasoning for wanting a cage.

Caddyshack

My track 911 used to rarely exceed 135mph but I had plenty of spins and offs at over 100mph and you would be shocked just how far a car travels once you lose control at 70-100mph...you might cover over 100 meters easily, much more on grass. If it rolled at that speed you could easily do 5 barrel rolls and yes, a car can almost be scrap at that point. I had an ally bolt in cage which was no longer fit approved but it felt much stiffer and safer with it in there.

DAN@ADRIAN FLUX

Hi,
If anyone ever needs any help with insurance for roll cages then please feel free to drop me a line.
Regards,
Dan.

Ridgey

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Good man

M K

iTrader: (9)

Won't say prices on here as may break rules as I'm not a trader etc


As a comparison, custom cages offer a cage for the escort mk3/4 for £2632.80 but the one I done included the following extras that the custom cages doesn't include

Roof diagonal
Harness bar
Rear stay braces
Rear strut brace with inner tie rod floor brace
Weld in seat bars

M K

iTrader: (9)

What exactly did that include mate?

jonfoc

pm'd mate