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Old 01-04-2015, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by James @ M Developments.
That's how much the light costs, I don't want second hand shite on my car that was mint before his bin attacked it, why should I? That's just the light, what about the other damage? It's not my fault its costly to fix.
Over £700 for a headlight is damn right ridiculous! Not saying that's not how much it is don't get me wrong, just seems like madness!!
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Originally Posted by gcfcos
Why not?


And yes I do know some
Said like a true racist.

lol.
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yeah thought so too, they are complex hids with angle eyes etc, and adaptive, the car has all the toys which is why it owes me so much

I got the price today from the dealers

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Originally Posted by St3V3_C
Said like a true racist. lol.
What race are polish then? White same as me? I must be racist then, bugger :-(

By the way some of my best friends are white
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Originally Posted by James @ M Developments.
yeah thought so too, they are complex hids with angle eyes etc, I got the price today from the dealers
Bloody hell no wonder your pissed off!!
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Originally Posted by gcfcos
What race are polish then? White same
White is a colour, not a race.
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Originally Posted by St3V3_C
Why would you treat him any different because he's Polish?



How is the night before not complying with this?

I think it's just one of those things mate. If anything, try the council. I'd be trying to repair the light - for that money there has to be something someone can do for a mounting.
Exactly what i was thinking, in my street 99% of people put the bin out the night before with no problems.
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the simple solution is to bum his whole family
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We live not far from the prom, it gets real windy some nights and the last 2 nights have been really bad, when I went out at 2.45am to pick up the bits of car off the road I looked too see if any others had put the bins out, I purposely hadn't because of the wind, and counted 2. His being one of them. Most seemed to use a little intelligence

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Don't blame you for being pissed off, unfortunately I guess there is little you can do about it in terms of controlling how other people live, especially when it was unintentional but perhaps bad judgement.
It's his attitude afterwards that matters most I think, even if he can't cover the damage being remorseful is a start.
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the tags are epic! fpmsl
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i dont have anywhere to keep our bins so they stay out the front of the house, been meaning to build a little wood hut thing to keep them in.

anyway, our bin gets blown into the road sat morning - was emptied the day before so the missus gets it and lays it down between the wall and my car.

so the wind blows it into the drivers door of my car and it then wedges against the wheel/wall leaving a 3" x 3" scrape on the door!

i threw the wife out.





ok i didnt but i was still a bit pissed off - but if it was going to cost a fair wedge of cash to fix then she would be living in the garage!

imo, get the bin, murder the guy and then put him in it, then throw the lot through his front window.

job done.

or see if you can claim off your house insurance?
Old 02-04-2015, 09:28 AM
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the only chance you have is to try and claim of your house insurance and say your bin hit your car maybe ?


to try and get anything from your neighbour I think you will be pissing in the wind unfortunately
Old 02-04-2015, 09:37 AM
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Typical attitude of most people these days, only look out for themselves. I bet if it was the other way around he would be banging your door down. Being nice gets you no where these days,
Old 02-04-2015, 10:13 AM
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wouldn't be be really unfortunate if his bin ended up through his windscreen one windy night
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You say you wouldn't put second hand rubbish on your car but if your car is say 1 yr old and you buy a good unit from Quarry motors from the same age of car then surely the part is no older than the one it replaces?

My 135i had the adaptive xenons and there is a weak point on the top, both units failed, i repaired them and it was not a bodge.

I do not think this thread should drop in to a racist slur.

I would also not take it out on his property as you are then no better than him, if you truly feel that he has no morals then the best thing to do it be the better example to him.

Tiger seal round the lid would be funny to watch though!
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Originally Posted by James @ M Developments.
yeah I think I will struggle,
Neighbour parks on his garden, doesn't have a proper driveway with no dropped kerb, so im going to wait until his car is in there and park in front of his "entrance" until he pays, ill use my bike to go to work

I assume you wish to continue to live there. If so starting a war with a neighbour is very unwise for starters he may be far more vindictive than you & cause you more problems down the line & a lot more damage. If you have a problem you try to sort it out, if you cant sometimes in life you have to bite the bullet because life is not always fair & getting justice as you see it may come back to bite you in the bum. Don't listen to some of the herberts on this thread rise above the gutter lever of revenge if things don't go your way. Im older & far wiser than they are.
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i agree with rod

to me it sounds like an accident, they happen, and getting all clever about how you are so smart, and wouldn't leave it a bin out in the wind etc is pointless and a little patronising

find a second had light eventually and just foot the bill, you don't want to be at war with your neighbours, it isn't their fault the wind blew their bin. and if you cant afford it, claim from your insurance as that's what its for....assuming it doesn't count as act of god
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Oh come on, why so serious?

There is always room for buggary, rape, racism and wanton vandalism.
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Originally Posted by Fudgey
imo, get the bin, murder the guy and then put him in it, then throw the lot through his front window.

job done.
You've not thought this through!! think of the forensics evidence you'd leave behind!

Buy your murder weapon from a tool shop miles away with no cameras, or if you struggle to find and old school tool shop like that, a car boot off the pikeys.

Wipe the weapon and bin down with acetone to avoid DNA.

Plastic yourself up dexter style, then kill him.

Chop his body up on some plastic, bin bag it - 2 bags each - one does not want leakage....

Put the bags in his bin early hours before bin collection.

Re-acetone the weapon and chuck in a canal/lake/river. Acetone any plastics youve worn then torch them in a wheely bin behind some units. The other waste burning will help ensure a complete burn of the evidence.

Hopefully he will end up in the landfill without being discovered and it will end up being a fairly quickly closed "missing persons" case.

if the body is discovered when the bin is emptied or later on, there is no physical evidence to link you to the scene, the weapon etc is miles away and clean, and at best there is only weak circumstantial evidence against you.
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Sounds like you've put a bit of thought in to this Warren??!!!!
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Originally Posted by Psycho Warren
You've not thought this through!! think of the forensics evidence you'd leave behind!

Buy your murder weapon from a tool shop miles away with no cameras, or if you struggle to find and old school tool shop like that, a car boot off the pikeys.

Wipe the weapon and bin down with acetone to avoid DNA.

Plastic yourself up dexter style, then kill him.

Chop his body up on some plastic, bin bag it - 2 bags each - one does not want leakage....

Put the bags in his bin early hours before bin collection.

Re-acetone the weapon and chuck in a canal/lake/river. Acetone any plastics youve worn then torch them in a wheely bin behind some units. The other waste burning will help ensure a complete burn of the evidence.

Hopefully he will end up in the landfill without being discovered and it will end up being a fairly quickly closed "missing persons" case.

if the body is discovered when the bin is emptied or later on, there is no physical evidence to link you to the scene, the weapon etc is miles away and clean, and at best there is only weak circumstantial evidence against you.




to late, the motive is in this thread the bin incident lol
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Originally Posted by James @ M Developments.
ill find him a solution for his bin next week, I'm gonna grip fill the fucker to the pavement.

He is polish, i don't think they have any morals at all tbh.
you cant tar one race with the same brush james... lots of poles are really car daft and enthusiasts-but imho this was going to happen now and again with the wheelie bin rules and unreliable unpredictable collection times-council own the bin,the bin damaged your property when it was being used as required-its been really windy where i live and streets end up a real mess
in your shoes i would contact the council-they wont be helpful but you can go from there
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Originally Posted by RichieST
Sounds like you've put a bit of thought in to this Warren??!!!!
I've got plans for most things in my head. You never know when your nieghbour might become a threat and need eliminating.
Originally Posted by scoooby slayer
to late, the motive is in this thread the bin incident lol
still weak at best.

"He whinged on the internet" is what most would see and laugh it off.
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I can just imagine you gaffer-taped head to toe in plastic sheeting trying to entice your neighbours round for a coffee...
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1 bag of post crete and 5ltrs of water poured into his bin, wont have to worry about it blowing over again.
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Am I the only person that thinks James is being a bit of childish knob here?

If its bin collection day surely the bin goes to the front of the drive otherwise it wont get emptied, windy weather or not?

As somebody else posted, this would come down to an "act of God". Yeah its not your fault, but its hardly your neighbours fault either. You are just going to have to take it on the chin and move on.
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I think I'd be gutted if it happened to me but some of them polish guys are muscle bound skin head nutters, I used to work with a couple and some of the things I saw them do like pick up an engine on they own and shit like that I used to think I ain't messing with that Fooker!!
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Originally Posted by Fudgey
I can just imagine you gaffer-taped head to toe in plastic sheeting trying to entice your neighbours round for a coffee...
Like on snatch lol
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Originally Posted by neilrev
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...including the usual Kosman bumming something!?

We're having a similar issue with our neighbours and a fence blowing down...

Good luck with it, hope you get it sorted somehow...
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If your bin was blown by the wind into the neighbours car would you pay him £1000 for repair ? The neighbour didn't do it, the wind did.
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I would go halfs with him, seems the only amicable thing to do given the circumstances.

To not get a sorry just feels a little below the belt to me, fair enough he didn't cause the damage himself, but did I ?
Yet I'm the one left with a bill for £1k to fix the damage he could have prevented.
He could easily have put the bin out in the morning when the wind had dropped off like I did, he starts work after me and his mrs sits at home all day claiming benefits,
Even if he had asked me and said "hey I'm not putting my bin out because of the wind and it will be 2ft from your cars can you do it for me in the morning" I would have happily done so. He knows I'm a petrol head and love my cars and often chats while I'm out cleaning them etc.

If I was trying to be unfair to him I would be asking him to pay for a pair of lights plus the repair to the wing and bumper, as I don't like lights looking odd replacing one can often make the car look shite. I will probably go this route and buy a pair to keep things tip top, but that's up to me and I'm not expecting that from him but I do expect something.

It's a similar case to kids playing football in the street, if one hit a car and damaged it do you just take it on the chin and forget about it, or have a word with the kids and parents of the kid who caused the damage? I would be getting the parents to foot the bill but they didn't kick the ball

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I feel your pain mate, the fat child popping benefit grabbing bint at the end of my street has door dinked both my cars in the last couple of days. Her and her numerous kids just throw the doors open without a care. And there's always crap on the floor where the McDonalds wrappers and fruit shoot bottles have fallen from the car and she's just left it.

Anyone want to bum her for me as I'm not touching it
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I had the same last winter but the other way round.

My bin went over in the wind and put a massive dent in the back door of the neighbours 5 series.

Luckily (for me) he was VERY reasonable, despite me offering to pay (which although gutting to pay for it, I didn't see why it should cost him any money) he only took a contribution towards it (£100 I think from memory) and he took care of the rest.

From then on I've ALWAYS left the bins on their "back" so they cant blow over again, it gets some strange looks sometimes but if it stops it happening again who cares....

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(Ignore the rainbow numbers on the bin lol - that was the mrs)

In my opinion, he should certainly pay towards the damage, but all depends on how well you get on with him and if it could cause you issues in the future?
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We have always got on really well, not pals but certainly friendly enough to chat, that's why I find it strange how he has reacted to it,
Even to the point my mrs was giving him and his mrs help when they had there first child as they didn't have a clue what to do, she went out of her way to help them and gave them loads of stuff she had spare to help

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Originally Posted by gcfcos
Oh fuck mate why didn't u say that before? Defo throw the bin through the cunts back window and then slowly start ruining his life. I'd tie the fucker to a chair untill I got his PIN number and draw the £1000 out, that may take a few days as cashpoints only dish out a certain amount a day
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Originally Posted by Psycho Warren
You've not thought this through!! think of the forensics evidence you'd leave behind!

Buy your murder weapon from a tool shop miles away with no cameras, or if you struggle to find and old school tool shop like that, a car boot off the pikeys.

Wipe the weapon and bin down with acetone to avoid DNA.

Plastic yourself up dexter style, then kill him.

Chop his body up on some plastic, bin bag it - 2 bags each - one does not want leakage....

Put the bags in his bin early hours before bin collection.

Re-acetone the weapon and chuck in a canal/lake/river. Acetone any plastics youve worn then torch them in a wheely bin behind some units. The other waste burning will help ensure a complete burn of the evidence.

Hopefully he will end up in the landfill without being discovered and it will end up being a fairly quickly closed "missing persons" case.

if the body is discovered when the bin is emptied or later on, there is no physical evidence to link you to the scene, the weapon etc is miles away and clean, and at best there is only weak circumstantial evidence against you.
Y'know that thread about not wanting to employ someone with past mental issues...
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Originally Posted by CrOwSoN15
Y'know that thread about not wanting to employ someone with past mental issues...
Lol....
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Originally Posted by CrOwSoN15
Y'know that thread about not wanting to employ someone with past mental issues...
Lol awesome
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Lol quality I'm only pissing about really, it's such a shame as James obviously got on with the bloke well to talk to and like he said his missus helped them out with baby etc, it's such a shame when money's involved it ruins everything. There's no way on earth Id be able to find a grand but I'd at least offer to help somehow or say I'll pay half but it'll have to be in monthly £100 installments or something. Mind you I'll be honest a daily driver to me has always just been a hunk of metal to get you around as they've always been old shitters but I took the Cossie to work the other saturday for a run and on way home I stopped at our local co op to get some lunch (fat bastard pies) and when I came out some dozy bint in the passenger side of a ford transit minibus talking loud on the phone had her door open resting against my Cossie with her foot resting on the door handle so pushing it into my cAr!! I went fookin mad, called her all sorts and then as I turned the car round I noticed the mini bus was full of massive rugby players. Full boost out of the car park then!!!! Could have ended badly lol



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