cleverly/sneakily bypassing traffic ques - inconsiderate driving?
10-04-2014, 02:37 PM
#41
Isaac you are forgetting one important point of that bit you highlighted.
Where is the measurable inconvenience? No single act i have done has inconvenienced anyone. You could argue that the entire manouver has culminated in a 10 second delay to a couple of drivers who had to give way as i came back around the roundabout but that would be impossible to prove and i suspect someone giving way at a give way line doesnt count as "inconvenienced" when you are forced to look at the details.
Also you highlighted "misuse of lane". At no stage have i misused any lanes......
If you want an example of inconsiderate driving is the buses who use the same turn right junction i do. They always stick to the left lane incase someone is at the busstop, then leave it to the last minute just by the lights to swerve right and bully thier way into the turn right lane going over cross hatchings, when they could of joined the lane a couple hundred yards back. Now THAT is inconsiderate driving. Just because its a bus shouldnt excuse them.
Rax the junction in question is turning right onto dividy road after coming down limekiln bank. The roundabout is turning left from Etruria road from hanley onto A53 heading towards the D road.
in addition to some other inconvenience to road users
Also you highlighted "misuse of lane". At no stage have i misused any lanes......
If you want an example of inconsiderate driving is the buses who use the same turn right junction i do. They always stick to the left lane incase someone is at the busstop, then leave it to the last minute just by the lights to swerve right and bully thier way into the turn right lane going over cross hatchings, when they could of joined the lane a couple hundred yards back. Now THAT is inconsiderate driving. Just because its a bus shouldnt excuse them.
Rax the junction in question is turning right onto dividy road after coming down limekiln bank. The roundabout is turning left from Etruria road from hanley onto A53 heading towards the D road.
10-04-2014, 02:54 PM
#42
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Warren, regardless of whether you can/will be prosecuted for it you've yourself admitted what you are doing (the 270) is inconsiderate.
If you're happy driving in this manner then you carry on. Just know that there will be people in the queue who see you 270 and may be calling you a cunt. If you're OK with that then carry on, there's no need to try and justify it on the basis of legal technicalities.
There are plenty of things you wouldn't do face to face with people that are not against the law, but you don't do them. Why? You're being considerate. Why is that different when you're late for work?
If you're happy driving in this manner then you carry on. Just know that there will be people in the queue who see you 270 and may be calling you a cunt. If you're OK with that then carry on, there's no need to try and justify it on the basis of legal technicalities.
There are plenty of things you wouldn't do face to face with people that are not against the law, but you don't do them. Why? You're being considerate. Why is that different when you're late for work?
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10-04-2014, 04:20 PM
#44
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If you think others may consider it inconsiderate, then by definition, it's inconsiderate!
The difference is that when you re-join it will likely be from a side road where you have to give way. You're not forcing someone else to give way to you.
I consider it no worse than taking a rat run or shortcut to bypass the que.
10-04-2014, 05:42 PM
#45
Just because some people think its inconsiderate, doesnt make it inconsiderate.
eg i consider it inconsiderate for "middle lane morons" and outside lane hoggers to hold me up. A significant proportion of the population would disagree (ie people who are lane hoggers and MLMs obviously!!)
10-04-2014, 05:53 PM
#46
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Wow warren you are a complete retard!!
Complete head up your own arse post tbh.
Thanks to the person who posted the relevant act, saved me doing it.
Once again you show you know much less about the law than the police who you slag off!
Complete head up your own arse post tbh.
Thanks to the person who posted the relevant act, saved me doing it.
Once again you show you know much less about the law than the police who you slag off!
10-04-2014, 05:54 PM
#47
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no matter how you do it your que jumping just wait in line like everyone else. i have done the roundabout trick on a massive main roundabout (probably 400m in diameter) but then thats because i use to get sick of hesitant drivers taking ages to pull 90% of the time i would pull out they wouldnt then i would go into there lane.
This morning at eastleigh i saw a few people do it on small roundabout when every one else is queuing to turn left its just common courtesy to wait your turn rather than blatant que jump, if every one did it it would be gridlock
This morning at eastleigh i saw a few people do it on small roundabout when every one else is queuing to turn left its just common courtesy to wait your turn rather than blatant que jump, if every one did it it would be gridlock
10-04-2014, 06:04 PM
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I hate to piss on a few people's bonfires but it is not only inconsiderate it is also illegal and therefore obviously constitutes an offence.
Acquaint yourself with with section 3ZA(4) Road Traffic Act 1988.
Additionally CPS charging quidelines are clear:
"Driving without reasonable consideration:
This offence is appropriate when the driving amounts to a clear act of incompetence, selfishness, impatience or aggressiveness in addition to some other inconvenience to road users. The following examples are typical of actions likely to be regarded as inconsiderate driving:
misuse of any lane (including cycling lanes) to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers"
Specifically relevant parts highlighted in bold.
To some extent to the examples that the CPS use to define inconsiderate driving amount to excessive political correctness IMO are are a slightly silly.
That said, if you get caught and it goes to court, I would bet money you'll come off worse.
Acquaint yourself with with section 3ZA(4) Road Traffic Act 1988.
Additionally CPS charging quidelines are clear:
"Driving without reasonable consideration:
This offence is appropriate when the driving amounts to a clear act of incompetence, selfishness, impatience or aggressiveness in addition to some other inconvenience to road users. The following examples are typical of actions likely to be regarded as inconsiderate driving:
misuse of any lane (including cycling lanes) to avoid queuing or gain some other advantage over other drivers"
Specifically relevant parts highlighted in bold.
To some extent to the examples that the CPS use to define inconsiderate driving amount to excessive political correctness IMO are are a slightly silly.
That said, if you get caught and it goes to court, I would bet money you'll come off worse.
Misuse? travelling in the wrong direction on a single lane road, to gain an advantage over other drivers.
Misuse? Travelling in an empty lane on a 2, 3 or 4 lane road to gain an advantage over other drivers
How does this differ in law from the original situation?
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10-04-2014, 08:13 PM
#49
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Again, I'm only referring to the 270 thing.
10-04-2014, 09:28 PM
#50
Overtaking;
Misuse? travelling in the wrong direction on a single lane road, to gain an advantage over other drivers.
Misuse? Travelling in an empty lane on a 2, 3 or 4 lane road to gain an advantage over other drivers
How does this differ in law from the original situation?
Misuse? travelling in the wrong direction on a single lane road, to gain an advantage over other drivers.
Misuse? Travelling in an empty lane on a 2, 3 or 4 lane road to gain an advantage over other drivers
How does this differ in law from the original situation?
Im not cutting in on anyone, im not using the wrong lane so how am i missuing a lane???
For each and every individual manouvre i make, i am following the correct lane and using the correct signals.
So no individual manouvre is illegal on its own.
Its entirely different with examples such as cutting in, undertaking, tailgating etc where one of the manouvres on its own is dangerous or inconveniences someone.
what you and what i consider inconsiderate may well be very different. What "society" considers inconsiderate changes too.
10-04-2014, 10:49 PM
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Got a warning off a copper for basically taking a short cut/long cut to bypass a que of traffic saying that he could do me for inconsiderate/careless driving.
I disagree....
Basically two lane road and a third "turn right" lane which i go down daily to work. At the time i leave it is always queing 3-400 yards back to the next set of lights.
So what i do is, perfectly within my lanes and driving correctly, stay in the second straight ahead lane and go pass my junction. The 2 lanes merge to one and the dual carriageway ends and there is a no U turn sign for obvious reasons.
So i dont do a u turn.
I turn right into a side street 50 yards further down, do a "reverse round corner" on another minor road off the side street, rejoin the road coming the other way and turn left into the road i would have turned right into. Obviously i bypass 5-10 minutes of queing.
All this is done within the speed limit, and manouvering and indicating in accordance with the highway code.
So what the flying fuck is the coppers problem???
Yes i am gaining an advantage over those queing, just as someone taking a side road short cut would gain an advantage.
But it certainly doesnt meet any definition of "careless" or "inconsiderate" driving.
Sure speeding up the straight lane then cutting someone up at the head of the que, i could understand.
Another trick i do is if coming to a roundabout where there is miles of traffic on the left waiting to turn left, I go up right lane and turn right 270 degrees all the way around the roundabout. Again correctly indicating and manouvering etc. Clearly gaining an advantage but not careless or inconsiderate IMO.
Was the copper being unreasonable and making false claims or can my driving as exampled above be construed as illegal??
I disagree....
Basically two lane road and a third "turn right" lane which i go down daily to work. At the time i leave it is always queing 3-400 yards back to the next set of lights.
So what i do is, perfectly within my lanes and driving correctly, stay in the second straight ahead lane and go pass my junction. The 2 lanes merge to one and the dual carriageway ends and there is a no U turn sign for obvious reasons.
So i dont do a u turn.
I turn right into a side street 50 yards further down, do a "reverse round corner" on another minor road off the side street, rejoin the road coming the other way and turn left into the road i would have turned right into. Obviously i bypass 5-10 minutes of queing.
All this is done within the speed limit, and manouvering and indicating in accordance with the highway code.
So what the flying fuck is the coppers problem???
Yes i am gaining an advantage over those queing, just as someone taking a side road short cut would gain an advantage.
But it certainly doesnt meet any definition of "careless" or "inconsiderate" driving.
Sure speeding up the straight lane then cutting someone up at the head of the que, i could understand.
Another trick i do is if coming to a roundabout where there is miles of traffic on the left waiting to turn left, I go up right lane and turn right 270 degrees all the way around the roundabout. Again correctly indicating and manouvering etc. Clearly gaining an advantage but not careless or inconsiderate IMO.
Was the copper being unreasonable and making false claims or can my driving as exampled above be construed as illegal??
I was observing fucking idiots today queuing over a mile from the roadworks blocking both lanes trying to get into the inside lane. I just filtered along until the 100yds sign and merged with the other lane which is exactly what your supposed to do, particularly in this case where you go through a set of traffic lights.
I didn't get let in or cut anyone up, I just waited for an opportunity to merge.
So easy if everyone does this.
10-04-2014, 11:05 PM
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As for the law quote above it makes sense when you get nobends blasting up bus lanes to cut in but as for this complete myth that by driving along the OPEN SECOND LANE then merging is somehow inconveniencing others users is tripe. It could be argued their causing the inconvenience by NOT utilising both lanes.
As for the 270 trick isn't that just using a roundabout for that very purpose as its a ROUNDABOUT?
Bottom line is if your stupid enough to sit in a queue of traffic for 2 miles when there's a free lane next to it for that very purpose then you deserve to be delayed.
As for the 270 trick isn't that just using a roundabout for that very purpose as its a ROUNDABOUT?
Bottom line is if your stupid enough to sit in a queue of traffic for 2 miles when there's a free lane next to it for that very purpose then you deserve to be delayed.
11-04-2014, 04:23 AM
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I use bus lanes at the times stated. There are big signs stating what time you can use them but sadly the thick c@#t drivers dont notice them. Then I get mucky looks as I pass them.
11-04-2014, 08:31 AM
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Another one i do quite commonly is 2 miles of the drive to work is a long straight road through a housing estate. Each side has parallel roads 20 yards from the main road so that access to houses doest effect main traffic flow.
Occasionally the entire road is grid locked so i go down the side parallel road past everyone and rejoin at the roundabout at end of the estate. Same in the snow as with 4wd i can drive fine but every other mongaloid cunt slows to 5mph on the main road for no good reason/or because they are too retarded to work out how to drive in a sprinkle of snow.
Occasionally the entire road is grid locked so i go down the side parallel road past everyone and rejoin at the roundabout at end of the estate. Same in the snow as with 4wd i can drive fine but every other mongaloid cunt slows to 5mph on the main road for no good reason/or because they are too retarded to work out how to drive in a sprinkle of snow.
11-04-2014, 12:43 PM
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i use every imch of the road i need to to get through traffic on my daily commute, bus lanes as glenn said is great when all the muppets who cant read a huge blue and white sign all leave the bus lane wide open for me.
i also use side streets to dodge hot spots for traffic, round abouts or lights. cant see anything wrong with it as long as theres no speeding or mowing down cyclists (much)
i also use side streets to dodge hot spots for traffic, round abouts or lights. cant see anything wrong with it as long as theres no speeding or mowing down cyclists (much)
11-04-2014, 12:46 PM
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Another one that seems to upset people is the bypass i take at this t junction:
Main road in red, minor busy road in blue, shortcut in green.
Loads of traffic que on the blue road to turn right onto the red road. The shortcut is about 100 yards back and is a short residential street, the others are main trunk roads.
People que right back to the sideroad and its slow before that. So i usually take the side road then turn right onto the main road with better visibility and often bigger gaps hence easier to pull out as the traffic has spread by then. Get some right dirty looks
But i guess people think thats inconsiderate too?? as people now have to give way to me to turn onto the main road
Main road in red, minor busy road in blue, shortcut in green.
Loads of traffic que on the blue road to turn right onto the red road. The shortcut is about 100 yards back and is a short residential street, the others are main trunk roads.
People que right back to the sideroad and its slow before that. So i usually take the side road then turn right onto the main road with better visibility and often bigger gaps hence easier to pull out as the traffic has spread by then. Get some right dirty looks
But i guess people think thats inconsiderate too??
as people now have to give way to me to turn onto the main road
11-04-2014, 06:38 PM
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So the copper was trying to dictate your route to work? It can't possibly be considered an act of law of any sort to say that your route is wrong unless you've broken traffic laws, which you haven't. If the motorway is gridlocked they tell you to use an alternative route so surely the same applies to any other build up of traffic? Depending on the time of day ill use different routes around my home town, am I going to get booked for it because other people are sitting in traffic? My end destination could be exactly the same.
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