big hyndy

iTrader: (1)

Anybody know anything about this car.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...1500?logcode=p

I've been texting and mailing the boy back and forth. The add isn't very clear but at some point it sounds like it was re-shelled using a Gti ID going by what he says. My mate has told me there is a couple going about that is a con and this sounds like one but the thing is I've not offered him cash I've put a swap to him that he's interested in. IMO it seems priced correctly for a non gen escos.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Cheers

Callum.

fuzzy

its adopted a log book from another car? how does that work?

bigchez

sounds dodgy tbh but is cheap!

costina

iTrader: (1)

Sounds like a scam

DixieTheKid

iTrader: (2)

Buy right that should be on a Q plate. How can you adopt another vehicles logbook when the two cars are completely different. The only thing they have in common is the ford escort name.

DODGY imo

Less.

Normally if its too good to be true it normally is

3drRich

Been on there for about 4 weeks. Cheap way into escos ownership if the story ties up.

steviecossie

The car has been used as a rally car at some point and the shell is a mess, thinks paul from North Yorkshire rs spares has a mate that viewed it.

3drRich

Just looked at it and it looks like the suspension is sat funny and the rear wheels look odd!!

costina

iTrader: (1)

If a breaker hasn't wanted it then it must be dodgy

DixieTheKid

iTrader: (2)

So say that is an x ralley car, would it not of been registered? It cant be reshelled in a gti shell as it wont take the running gear.

So as above, if it is a genuine shell that was never registered and has since been up on the road it should be on a Q plate.

Sound to me either the owner didnt want it on a Q or its a ringer.

fuzzy

im not getting the story. the original cosworth rally car was never registered so wouldn't have a v5 so they used the id from a gti then scrapped the gti? surely none of the numbers would tally up and itll still be down as a gti on the v5 then as they've never had a cosworth v5 with either car?

Paul_RS

iTrader: (4)

It wasn't a rally car - they have to be road legal.

It was a hillclimb car, so built from a shell, then converted to a road car later.

I don't get the bit about needing an Escort GTi to register it on the road though. Surely it'd just have it's inspections and be registered on a Q?

chris cdti

Also says the gti was scrapped and that's why it's on "v car"

Mr RS500

iTrader: (6)

I can assure you it WAS a rally car

The logbook it has now is most probs the logbook they used when it was first built as a rally car as its quite common that rally cars have gti / xr logbooks etc as nobody worries about what the logbook says as you say it is a means to make it road legal nobody gives a shit what the book says

My mate who viewed it ownes his own Garage and knows his way around cars ,, He has built many special fords in his time

He says the inner wings are all rippled from accidents , and so is the floor , you can also see where the roll cage was fitted and brackets have been welded into the floor for the fuel tank straps etc as they were removed when the tank was in the boot

He did admit it looked quite good from the outside tho

fuzzy

im still not getting how you can use a different scrapped cars log book to get another on the road?

big hyndy

iTrader: (1)

[QUOTE=North Yorks RS Spares;6400489]I can assure you it WAS a rally car

The logbook it has now is most probs the logbook they used when it was first built as a rally car as its quite common that rally cars have gti / xr logbooks etc as nobody worries about what the logbook says as you say it is a means to make it road legal nobody gives a shit what the book says

My mate who viewed it ownes his own Garage and knows his way around cars ,, He has built many special fords in his time

He says the inner wings are all rippled from accidents , and so is the floor , you can also see where the roll cage was fitted and brackets have been welded into the floor for the fuel tank straps etc as they were removed when the tank was in the boot

He did admit it looked quite good from the outside tho.

thanks Paul.

davidfox280585

am i the only one who thinks its dear for the history?,
the one paul at nyrs sold the other month was cheap and genuine

Glenn_

iTrader: (1)

When I looked at the pics for some reason to me it just doesnt look right. This might be down to cause it looks stanard though.

Alps Pacino

If the id from the gti is now on the escort how can that flag up as it being scrapped as the gti was never scrapped with the id and just the shell with no id?

Hope that makes sense lol

LHD220Turbo

iTrader: (4)

still too dear IMO

Alps Pacino

It is when you can get something like that for not a lot more

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classifi...ge/9?logcode=p

XRT_si

iTrader: (2)

Agree, it's not exactly a bargain for what is essentially a ringer!

fuzzy

by all accounts the car left is the original non registered cosworth rally car, paul pretty much confirming this with their findings after his mates visit.
how can you use an id for one car on other even when you've got rid of the shell and that ones scrapped?
wouldn't you need to cut out the chassis numbers and swap them over so they matched with the paperwork? that's not allowed is it? and even if it is it would be registered as a gti not a cosworth?
im still confused by this...

Stevie RS Boy

with that mileage and condition that looks too cheap

Alps Pacino

Exactly I don't get it at all. How can you take the id of another car to put on another car then scrap the car with the id but still have another car with the scrapped id on the road?

doctor stavros

With the greatest of respect, If you are genuinely looking at spending 8.5k on this, then surely a quick call to the DVLA would be a better way of getting clear precise clarification of this than on a forum?

Maxwell

No matter if it was a road car or rally car, it was on a road from new so therefore it should have been issued with a tax book and i.d.

To save grace, it would best breaking it or tracking it!! It has a sketchy history and wont ever make decent money!!

cozzfather

iTrader: (1)

people get so confused as they don't understand that a new or pre used motorsport shell will "go again" without a correct id if you wop on a dodgy one,it was easier for some people to just use any old escort id to get a motorsport shell back into action.

and i have lost count of the times i have said that many proper motorsport teams who ran these cars when new would sometimes have spare shells for the same car,and when that car go sold or broken up if the spare shell never went as part of the deal you would get people building the shell back up and whack any id on it like a xr3 rs2000 or gti etc,i have even seen a ex works shell on a 1.3 book

Alps Pacino

but that wouldn't explain why the id shows up on vcar cause the gti was scraped would it? As if the id was taken from a gti shell then the gti would then have had to been scraped with no id as it was then on the escort cosworth.

stevecfrst1

I think it looks good for the money, obviously you never know without looking. Sure the deal with the i.d is legit ive heard lots of stories about that happening before, it will put most buyers off though. How many cossies out there must of been ringed or have dodgy i.d? A bloody lot i bet look how many have been stolen over the years

fuzzy

if your not fussed about the dubious history and what evers on the log book isn't going to cause you problems at tax and insurance time then id buy for a price based on its condition after viewing.
just because its a mish mash doesn't mean its a banger.