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Old 05-12-2013, 08:57 AM
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Default Tax discs no longer going to be used!

See on the BBC this morning that the actual display of discs are to be scrapped in Oct 2014!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25223631

And in addition to paying every 6/12 months the government are planning to introduce Monthly payments!

Originally Posted by BBC
With the DVLA and police now relying on an electronic register

The new system will allow people to pay the charge by monthly direct debit
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Makes sense, I bet the amount of people who actually get done for failure to display a tax disc is tiny anyway.
If they can save money on the administration of printing and posting tax discs then they'll do that all day long. I don't see what the negatives would be, as I would assume that it all has to go onto the database before a disc is physically issued anyway, so it's already fool proof?
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Don't see the need for tax discs in this day and age. Monthly maybe a bonus for people too
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With the amount of ANPR cameras and savings not sending/printing discs makes sense.

We don't display insurance or mot so why tax?

You don't need to display one for 14 days now either.
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Originally Posted by saph4be
Don't see the need for tax discs in this day and age. Monthly maybe a bonus for people too
I hope they have some form of easy method of seeing if a cars taxed online... otherwise when you go to buy a car all the seller has to say is its taxed for 12 months mate.. you drive off, get pulled by the plod and wheres the proof.

monthly direct debit would be good, especially for those of us with older cars in daily use who chop and change between cars..
Old 05-12-2013, 09:18 AM
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It's estimated it'll save £7m in paperwork being sent out.

The Direct debit and 6 month options will only be 5% higher than a year up front where as it's 10% now.
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Originally Posted by natehall
I hope they have some form of easy method of seeing if a cars taxed online... otherwise when you go to buy a car all the seller has to say is its taxed for 12 months mate.. you drive off, get pulled by the plod and wheres the proof.

monthly direct debit would be good, especially for those of us with older cars in daily use who chop and change between cars..
Easy to do all ready. Just go on the tax disc website and enter the vehicle reg and it tells you if it's taxed and run out date.
Old 05-12-2013, 09:23 AM
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With a printed mot certificate its going to make it much easier to scam people
Old 05-12-2013, 09:24 AM
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dal how long will that be though for?? Much easier to add a few quid on each month and not be noticed so much as adding £20-30 a year.
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Originally Posted by Carlos-Titx
Easy to do all ready. Just go on the tax disc website and enter the vehicle reg and it tells you if it's taxed and run out date.
I know that, and I know about the askmid service..

But there are a lot of idiots to be scammed out there, who dont know about it.. one quick thorugh would be to print a tax check URL on the MOT or V5.. as thats now the only pieces of paper guaranteed to be handed over...

until they ditch the paper receipt of MOT..
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Well thats richbrook going to the wall !!!!!
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Originally Posted by Psycho Warren
Much easier to add a few quid on each month and not be noticed so much as adding £20-30 a year.
And here I think you have the motivation, admin savings and an easy sneaky way of applying a nice hike.
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personally i think people should be able to pay their car tax like they do topping up their phone in a shop ,bank machine etc ,be it £20,£30 .......
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Originally Posted by natehall
I hope they have some form of easy method of seeing if a cars taxed online... otherwise when you go to buy a car all the seller has to say is its taxed for 12 months mate.. you drive off, get pulled by the plod and wheres the proof.

monthly direct debit would be good, especially for those of us with older cars in daily use who chop and change between cars..
DVLA website will tell you if a car is taxed or SORNed
Old 05-12-2013, 10:35 AM
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Don't see why we have to pay it in the first place, so I'm hardly going to get excited about any new concepts they introduce. When they do introduce something new it'll be inevitable they'll be a price hike accompanying it.
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what makes me laugh is they bang on about savings, my brother works in Whitehall and has recently been doing costings for a service they are putting out to the private sector, the cost was 9 million but the minister said put 20 million as we have to keep the private sector on side, this government is bollocks, milking off the top and making normal people pay.
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Originally Posted by Cragrat
Well thats richbrook going to the wall !!!!!
Fpmsl. Nice one Daz.
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If the roads were spot on I wouldnt mind paying for road tax. The way these roads are its like paying the government to damage your car..

The monthly payment will be a good idea.
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I think with forcing us to have insurance for our car if it is taxed is a con! They should do it on a daily basis, so I can go online and tax and insure for the weekend if I am going to use it!

This is just another way for our government to save money, and at the end of the day, they need to!
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Road tax is unfair full stop, my bike cost £78 to tax yet a diesel fiesta is £30, what is going to cause more damage to the road? and 2 identical cars with the same engine but registered on different years pay different rates.
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I don't know how its going to work in Northern Ireland. We display an MOT disc and the ANPR system isn't really that up to date no matter how much they say its updated/calibrated.
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Originally Posted by Glenn_
If the roads were spot on I wouldnt mind paying for road tax. The way these roads are its like paying the government to damage your car..

The monthly payment will be a good idea.
Unfortuntely "Vehicle Excise Duty" has nothing to do with the roads. It just gets paid into the General Treasury fund. It's more of a pollution tax really.
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I think it's a good idea, for those like me who visit the post office it eliminates having to do this, and given it's in the database anyway, it seems kind of pointless.


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Very good idea, nice to see a bit of common sense for once! I think if people could pay car tax monthly, almost like a direct debit it would be helpfull.
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The monthly taxation is going to reflect as to what cars are used and when....so classic cars will only get taxed between certain months of the year and be sorned the rest. A good concept, but then they will see what type of cars will be driven daily. Are they going to re-do the tax bands again??

They would be better off abolishing car tax and slightly raise the fuel prices. Then it will show as to what vehicles are using the roads and polluting the planet the most. tbh they would probably get more revenue that way
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Originally Posted by D16PJM
Road tax is unfair full stop, my bike cost £78 to tax yet a diesel fiesta is £30, what is going to cause more damage to the road? and 2 identical cars with the same engine but registered on different years pay different rates.
As said it's true name is 'Vehicle Exercise Duty' and is based on emissions output (assuming it's registered after 2001 and excluding historic vehicles) using your analogy you may as well say why should your bike cost more than a moped.

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With reguard to the monthly direct debit side of it, it doesn't actually say you can tax your car for a month etc at a time,
I'm thinking it could just be a way of spreading out the payments for a 6 or 12 month road tax fee?
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Originally Posted by st220kyle
With reguard to the monthly direct debit side of it, it doesn't actually say you can tax your car for a month etc at a time,
I'm thinking it could just be a way of spreading out the payments for a 6 or 12 month road tax fee?
No its probably monthly. Think about it:

6 or 12 month tax discs. They get 12 month discs for daily drivers. They get most 6 month discs from daily drivers who cant afford 12 month discs at the time. But also classic cars get taxed for 6 months then stored for the rest. Or in some cases they get 12 months tax from the start of the "show season", and then when they are done for the season, the tax gets cancelled and refunded.

So taxing on a monthly basis, they are garuanteed more classic cars will be taxed from feb/march to sept/oct. So thats 8-10 montha garuanteed/non refundable taxation. Another thing, if its monthly, the government wont have to "refund" anyone, as tax being cancelled will be coming off a vehicle at the end of that month instead!!
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Originally Posted by martysmartie
As said it's true name is 'Vehicle Exercise Duty' and is based on emissions output (assuming it's registered after 2001 and excluding historic vehicles) using your analogy you may as well say why should your bike cost more than a moped.

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if done on emissions it should be across the board, say astra registered feb 2001 and same car registered march 2001 IMO should pay the same tax, also 2005 model VXR £280 a year, 2006 VXR £450 a year, same bloody car.

Just saying its a crap system how it is worked out.

Bikes have cats, etc fitted and have to be efficient but they are not taxed according to the pollution they put out.

The whole system needs looking at not just the way we pay or what we display.
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Should do away with tax and put the price of petrol up to compensate the loss from the road tax. Then those who use the roads most will pay the most. Don't see why I should pay the same road tax and do 8000 miles a year as someone who does 20000.
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how many car clubs make profit from tax disc holders lol
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what if you change your car a lot will you have to cancel and re setup direct debits to suit each vehicle?

sounds like hassle and if so when you sell a car could 2 people effectively pay paying road tax on the same car one month? why not scrap it and put it on fuel.

load of shit and hassle if u ask me!
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Yes put on fuel duty,less admim costs and no one can avoid it then and less fuel efficient cars will pay more then
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Originally Posted by Carlos-Titx
Easy to do all ready. Just go on the tax disc website and enter the vehicle reg and it tells you if it's taxed and run out date.

But it won't tell you if the seller has just applied for a refund on Duty.
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Originally Posted by focusv8
But it won't tell you if the seller has just applied for a refund on Duty.
Yeah it will as it will say it's expired.
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Anything that means spending less time in the post office Queue is a good thing. Just wonder how many people will keep the last tax disc issued to there car?
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Originally Posted by Cragrat
Well thats richbrook going to the wall !!!!!
I proper lol'd at that
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Originally Posted by Perfmr2
Anything that means spending less time in the post office Queue is a good thing. Just wonder how many people will keep the last tax disc issued to there car?
haven't queued for a tax disc in years, the tintaweb is a marvellous thing
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Originally Posted by Maxwell
No its probably monthly. Think about it:

6 or 12 month tax discs. They get 12 month discs for daily drivers. They get most 6 month discs from daily drivers who cant afford 12 month discs at the time. But also classic cars get taxed for 6 months then stored for the rest. Or in some cases they get 12 months tax from the start of the "show season", and then when they are done for the season, the tax gets cancelled and refunded.

So taxing on a monthly basis, they are garuanteed more classic cars will be taxed from feb/march to sept/oct. So thats 8-10 montha garuanteed/non refundable taxation. Another thing, if its monthly, the government wont have to "refund" anyone, as tax being cancelled will be coming off a vehicle at the end of that month instead!!
Classic cars are tax exempt!

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Originally Posted by D16PJM
if done on emissions it should be across the board, say astra registered feb 2001 and same car registered march 2001 IMO should pay the same tax, also 2005 model VXR £280 a year, 2006 VXR £450 a year, same bloody car.

Just saying its a crap system how it is worked out.

Bikes have cats, etc fitted and have to be efficient but they are not taxed according to the pollution they put out.

The whole system needs looking at not just the way we pay or what we display.
Totally agree, although fortunately it does work to our advantage for those of us with old cars.

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