Mr RS500

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Would you expect anything else on here

I just giggle to myself now regards the negative replies

The show is what you make it ,,end of story

If you would rather go to a show with the pop pop anti lag crew and talk , innit bruv , ya get me , then cool

Sticky.

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Exactly what I put in my 1st reply....

Yes it's the same old cars, yes the food is over priced, yes the weather was crap....but people should get on with it and enjoy it or go home.

Fair play to everyone involved for making the show happen.

SteveW

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My first National day for 5 years and was sad to see how much it has declined. Many factors like cost of fuel, ebay has killed the trade etc etc but was talking to an old friend whom I haven't seen for a good few years and she said what will happen if you stop coming, it will fizzle out. The weather didn't help and typical drove 20 miles towards brum on the way home and back to glorious sunshine, maybe change of venue? Would love oulton park to host nat day even tho it would add an hour and half to my journey time.

Cossy Mike

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I chose Ford Fair over ND as it's only a couple of quid more and it's 10 times bigger than ND

I'm sure there is a rule where you have to concours in at least 3 regional days to qualify for ND, poor rule as no one is going to drag there sub 3000 mile RS500 to 3 regional days just to show at ND.

You used to get a couple of really special cars on display, now it's just a slightly bigger regional day with the same cars.

Membership fee + the benefits don't weigh up

DanW@FastFord

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There does come a tipping point where the RSOC will need to relax some of their rules in order for the show to survive. Putting any sort of barrier up to show attendance is (IMO) a bad idea. Having said that, I do appreciate that the RSOC want there to be a reason to join the club, and so offer various benefits – But if the shows suffer because of lack of attendance, then it stops being quite such a valuable 'perk' of club membership.

J1mbo

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Nowt wrong with ALS Paul

carl n 1977

yes crap again good job i only live 15 mins away donnington used to be full i can remember when all them cars came over from scandinavia the blue escort cosworth where did it all go wrong its been poor since 2005

Glenn_

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Looking at peoples pics it looks like there was a good selection of cars there.

slammedorion

There was a lot of space down the trade section IMO, visiting car clubs was empty, and very spaced out... Never get the carpark bit next to visiting clubs?

Madgit

I don't think it was as bad as it sounds. The weather definitely didn't help, I'm sure but the areas were reasonably full from what I saw, in between track sessions.

bluntys1rsturbo

is this the gold cup your on about mate? me n the mrs have been on about coming to that and would love show my car

bluntys1rsturbo

ill get the thread back on topic

me and my bro have gone to nd for as long as i can remember and yes it used to be a massive show, we have watched it get smaller year by year and this year seemed less than ever which is a real shame.

id like to see them try and revamp it a bit as it does seem like its just treading water atm, also i do feel Ł18 is a big price to pay especially as you would have to pay again to go into the pits. (i was lucky as bought 2 tickets outside for Ł20).

my bro says he wont be going again and instead go ford fair, im unsure what ill be doing.

Mr RS500

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Im talking about the pop pop anti lag mate

not the real ALS

Denrsturbo

Why dont passion ford do a show ? all fords excepted im sure it would be a great success even non fords would be welcome just like the site?

bluntys1rsturbo

sounds like a plan fella

DanW@FastFord

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Are you two putting yourself forward to be the organisers then?

Jay,

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And pay the fees up front

DanW@FastFord

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...and dealing with sending all the tickets out.. and getting 'attractions', catering, PLI, H&S forms, liasing with the local police to ensure traffic flow, advertising, marketing, etc etc etc...

...and then dealing with the complaints because someone thought there were too many STs at the show.

Organising an event is an utterly thankless task, and the RSOC members who do it alongside their regular jobs have my upmost respect.

STeve

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This has been asked before but I will extend you a reply, the RSOC is a well established club with a membership fee and associated perks and a bank account, where as passionford is a ford forum and not a club so does not receive membership fess and therefore does not have a bank balance to pre pay for hire of venues or trust me I would be staging a show as I have made enqury's in the past on this very topic, Dan speaks sense as he has been there and seen it all

TommysKeeper

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Thank you Dan for that final comment, it's really appreciated.

On-site yesterday from 06:00 and busy all day - Parking up S1s on a registrars display, helping with paddock parking, carrying out a valuation, assisting with concours judging...Really busy day and I still ache from all the walking about. Really tired and I only did the one day! Others had been involved for days.

See you at FF.
Cheers, John
RSOC S1 Registrar

Jay,

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The swines just dont let the cunts in

Jay,

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I hated trying to organise a stand let alone a show So long may these people carry on

cossie daz

I travelled up from just near gatwick airport well over a 3 hour drive and always enjoyed ND .
To be honest yes it was quiet compared to last year on club stands and registar stands . But I felt there was more on track .
The RSOC did try with the Rs500 display on track but it lacking something still ???

botters

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i thought you enjoyed our company on saturday night lol

mickyb5191

My 1st ND and I really didn't know what too expect and even setting off at 6.30 am with just 4 hours sleep behind me I enjoyed it from start too finish... Was a great day, we can all agree though the weather wasn't on our side at all.

RSMK4TURBO

Glad some of you enjoyed the day,used to love National Day,missed it yesterday(bloody car!)roll on Ford Fair.

Basky

all shows have visiting clubs it makes up the numbers and makes for a better show!
if you dont like them or want see them then dont.simple.
the static part of the show is what you make of it like whats been said.

Dunccoss

Hi all just wanted to add my little bit to the debate
It's my job to sort out local groups and this year we had 40 local RS groups and over 375 RS cars booked in and this was up 20% on last year and the Melbourne loop was full of some great RS cars so to say the groups are not going is wrong
It's hard these days to put on a show and the costs are huge and the committee can see it needs changing and I hope we can push through the changes to make it better as I agree it needs to try something different and may be next year it's time to change things and see how it goes

T4onYB

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I think as I have paid my money and attended the last 5 years ND in a row it gives me the right to voice an opinion, every year there is excuses for why the show and other rsoc ones are quiet and every year its reported we will try harder for next years, but like most things within the rsoc its never happens and as a result its dying, the extortionate membership fee and fobbing off has caused me to cancel my membership and I know I'm not the only one and all my RSs are now shown on pfs stands at shows, and as the sales of STs go through the roof they will outnumber the RSs if not already done so and wont be long before their bigger, rsoc have no time for visiting clubs and simply take their money and stick them is shitty plots and the traders are no longer interested in attending as theres next to no passiing public at ND only that of those club involved walking around between the stands, but attend classic ford/ford fair you will see plenty of traders so the old chessnut of the internet killing traders is cobblers and simply yet another excuse, wish I could seek a refund on my Ł140 wasted driving up to show on sunday as 100% will be my last attendance there thats for sure

Mr RS500

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1, Our membership is NOT going down at all , infact it has gone up in the last 2 years

2, Sales of ST"s go through the roof ,,,how can we change that as ford decide what cars we make , not the RSOC , ,, its out of our control

3, traders were up on last year , but as a trader myself i understand why they dont bother , its because the returns at ANY show do not cover costs , Plus FF has a lot of traders that arnt FORD specific , selling go faster stickers etc etc that your usuall RS owner doesnt buy

You always seem to quote FF as a measure against ND and you cant do that

ND is one brand specific with some visiting car clubs

FF is NOT one brand specific and a lot of other car clubs go to FF like fiestas / classics / cortinas etc etc etc , these do not attend ND , we dont know why as they would be very welcome

Remember we cant control who comes , we can offer but if its not there thing then we cant do anything about that

Thr RS brand isnt made in big number ( if at all now ) so the RS scene will decline no matter what anyone can try and do about it , plus with values of RS car going up and up all the time you will see less and less

You cant compare a brand that isnt made anymore against a brand that a manufacturer is pushing all the time

The true RS enthusiast loves the scene for what it is and understands the facts of wht its hard to try and compete against a growing scene

Imagine trying to compete against the jap market ,,lol ,, is that also the RSOC fault that they are growing and we arnt ????

The RSOC will end up at some point like all the other big clubs ( MG Jag ) etc etc , as a classic car club and they dropped in size as modern other makes came out

Unless ford change there mind and push the rs brand again and build new cars regular the club can at best only stand still

More RS cars are broke every day than any ST etc so again the odds are against the club

Blame FORD mate as they control the market NOT the RSOC

T4onYB

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Thanks for the reply as i see where your coming from as 1-pd has told me there is many decent hard working guys in the rsoc like yourself, but also way too many stuck in a time warp of the 90s , with member numbers going up and the show quality going down its simply not working, i had a real good look round on sunday with my brothers and we all looked at each other to say is this it ?, yes ford have decided to go with the st but thats not any of our or the rsoc fault but they simply need to move with the times which we all know they wont

Madgit

Seemed like they were catering for as many as they could. Concours, track etc. What more can they do?

Tim

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thought it was ok never see any stands etc always in the pits for me its about the cars on track etc had a good day tbh
best bit was having a battle with harvey and watching him spin off infront of us lol ,then passing us of course that car shifts lol
regards tim

shortie

If i had known Harvey was there I could had have a chat with him hopefully he'll be at ford fair

T4onYB

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The thing is many dont have a track worthy car or can even afford track time so for these guys the show is the main attraction and on that point alone the show was pretty bad

Cossy Mike

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Hi Paul,

Can you give me your honest opinion of my say please?

I am an rs owner and have been for many years back from 1997 the year after I passed my test. I have also been a member of the club on and off over the years but for me there are no benefits any more.

I won the gold cup with my rst then stopped showing. I still attended the shows whether a member or not.

I tried several times over the years to get a competitive quote from Boncaster and they simply couldn't help me, which I found really odd as my car and me are prime example of a genuine rs owner.

I had/have a standard sapphire now with 40,520 miles on the clock, 3 owners, cover less than 1500 miles a year, over 30years old with a full clean licence and full NCB. The car is garaged securly at him address and my quote was Ł520.

I rang footman James and they qouted Ł262 or Ł302 valued at Ł7k.

I contacted the rsoc insurance liaison officer and he said he would get back to me, he never didand neither did Boncaster, so I moved on.

You have to pay to get into a show anyway whether member or not and ill get a magazine, that's it?

For me Ł35 is a lot of money for a magazine. I still attend the shows and catch up with old friends.

I remember when membership was 12,000 a year, though I do strongly agree with what you have said about the current climate. Those number will simply never come back.

If the membership was Ł20 a year I'd pay every year but Ł35 is too steep for what the club is today.

Hope you read this the right way as its not a dig or anything as I would happily join up if the fees come down.

Would it not be better 5 members renewing at Ł20 a year than 2 at Ł35?

DanW@FastFord

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All the Ford shows get 'lumped together' so it's understandable that he's comparing them. From a show goer's point of view it's a show with Fords in that you pay money to enter. From your point of view, I can totally understand why you see them as two different events, but ultimately there is no such distinction from a punter's perspective.

The reason why a comparison is unfavourable is that FF is put on by a huge company with a dedicated (although small) team of professional event organisers - whereas ND is largely staffed by volunteers and people doing it in their spare time. As I've said on many occasions I have a lot of respect for you guys for staging it, as I know how much work it is (and there is a LOT more work than people realise).

Having said that - Future have on several occasions offered to help grow and help organise ND but we have always had the offer refused due (so I've been informed) to some RSOC members rather bizarrely believing that we're 'rivals'. How anyone can come to that conclusion is beyond me when the RSOC have had hundreds and hundreds of pages worth of free coverage in Future titles over the years, which is comprehensively more than any other organisation.

MrCapriScort

If the show was poor, the buck stops at the organisers for not planning a decent interesting show. Sounds like it needs to appeal to a wider spectrum of Ford Nuts and dare i say general petrolheads, if you can get more people in the gate, you attract more Traders. Make the show every two years, giving more time for better planning ??

Dunccoss

Yes I know that future have asked to join but if I remember right then future wanted a very large cut of the money and that could have put the club and its members at risk as the club needs national day to recoup money to keep the club alive each year
But if a better deal could be done then the door is always open as it could work very well for both and maybe a chat would be good as been a few years I believe since it was last spoken about

T4onYB

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As soon as money is involved you know the answer will be no as how else do you expect those that run the rsoc groups and club to fund their yearly pissup also known as the agm, how many paid members know they are covering that cost ? Year on year the show has got worse and now donington clearly is too big a venue for the club to fill