Ginge !

im thinking of buying a new zetec s fiesta as my focus deal went south and the fiesta is a 1.0 3 cylinder turbo "fox" engine

any tuners out here done work on them as i cant see why more people aint jumping on them

1.0 turbo engine with good fuel economy and FREE CAR TAX AND CONGESTION CHARGE TOO

i know they are 125ps but wondering if anyone knows what tuners are getting out of them

they also sound like a V6 engine too

RichieST

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I think they are brilliant engines. On 5th gear they tested the 1.0 turbo focus against the 1.6 and the 1 litre was quicker. Cossie management and greens should see 500 bhp no problem

Ginge !

i dont want to go silly but i would like fun and nippy clio type of power and handling if i can get one from the new fiesta

xr2wishy

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i bet they go alright, but i wouldn't be expecting much.
a 1.6 focus is slow as you like, properly underpowered car. i reckon you may be able to push another 20bhp out of them, but i really wouldn't want to be pulling engine out when it goes too far. it's not like tuning an rst where capacity takes the load from the turbo unlike in a 1.0 turbo engine with only three cylinders.

Ginge !

1.6 focus ?

as in the eco boost as that can get 200bhp from it with tuning,,, its just its a VERY heavy car in it

a fiesta zetec s on the other hand seems a better choice hence the 1.6 turbo fiesta st

xr2wishy

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fifth gear tested a 1.0 eco-boost against a 1.6N/A, the turbo shit on the N/A.

It's Czech Mate

Ford have seen 200bhp from the 1.0 ecoboost in their formula ford concept

Ginge !

erm,,,,, you are aware im talking about the 3 cylinder 1.0 ecoboost engine fiesta zetec s

as in this is a turbo powered fiesta just a smaller engine design

chettle

StreetRacers in Sysdon/Leicester have done a few silly 1.6 hondas and 1.3 Starlets, and he knows his fords

http://www.streetracersgd.co.uk/

xr2wishy

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i went off on a tangent a little with the mention of the focus previously, but the fact is that they are good little engines, i just feel small turbo engines are the death of fast cars as we'll all be boosting the hell out of them in a few years trying to reinvent the wheel sort of thing. kind of like getting 500bhp out of a cossie 2.0 engine.
if you think about it, it's trying to push 60% more out of an engine to hit 200bhp, would be fair rapid though due to the engine weighing bugger all and reciprocating parts being light.
i prefer a grunt from an engine over a turbo over spooling though.

It's Czech Mate

7.22 @ the ring with one of these engines

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/60...ad-legal-racer

Some cool shit

It's Czech Mate

Thing is though boost gives you more torque and therfore more 'grunt' so I dont really get your point.

gjh

I have seen charrade GTtIs pull well over 200bhp, great little cars.

xr2wishy

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You're right, more torque does mean more pull, but turbo's become poor with thermal transfer as you wind the boost up and revs climb.
I just think there is no replacement for displacement and going smaller on an engine is to satisfy the environmentalists.

botters

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i cant see them being the next great tuning thing tbh they are a green enviromentalist invention yes some decent power may be had from them but as wishy says there is no replacement for displacement

xr-stu

if tuners can get 600bhp out of a yb or duratec, hopefully theyll be able to get 300bhp out of these, that would be some tax free, eco friendly runabout then!

Rsmat

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It would be costly aswell mate

gjh

Ye I'd say it would be a full engine build, (pistons, rods, headwork, turbo, inlets, the lot) but could deffinately be done, not sure if it would be worth it.

xr-stu

no doubt it wouldnt be cheap, but at least youd only be buying 3 piston, rods, injectors etc

DanW@FastFord

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I had a 1.0 EcoBoost Focus hire car recently. It was really impressive. I'd imagine it would be even more impressive in the Fiesta!

boeb

Tuning them might defeat the point tho if emissions don't stay low....as we go greener am waiting on a ban the old car bill from government as its emission crazy these days

It's Czech Mate

But that 1.0 has more power and more torque and better efficiency than the na 1.6

The turbo is well specced and boost easily replaces displacement in this case

You are totally blinkered and plain wrong in your belief boost cannot replace displacement

martysmartie

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It is a great engine, to put it into context, remember the Cosworth was the first production car to produce more than 100 HP per litre, now this has achieved in a mass produced engine in a mundane car, to this end I personally don't see much tuning scope, as it's already has a pretty damn respectable power output!

It is going to be fitted to the MK5 Mondeo, and it will have 150 HP, apparently!

However my concern is what has been said, it may well produce more power than a 1.6 and indeed as near as makes no difference, the same amount of power as the original 2L Zetec-E engine!

But down the line with millage does it mean the small capacity engine will suffer in the long run.

Martin

Glenn_

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A 1ltr in a new mondeo.Thats gonna be interesting.

Brendan

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I thought that they made a bigger one too! That was going to be used in the mondeo.

the_frozen_one

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It's perfect how it is. A lot o my blood sweat and tears went into it. They are very calibration sensitive, I'd strong recommend not adjusting the calibration.

fezzielove

yeh thieve got a twin turbo 3.5 v6 for the American market,
theres pros and cons on the 1.0 ecoboost
cons
the cylinder spacing is so compact that overbore would be impractical if not impossible
no fancy turbo exhaust manifolds its all cast into the head
stoker kits wouldn't work as this engine block is solely designed to be a 1.0
cast iron block altho this is seen as a positive by ford?
pro's
this engine was designed to be low friction meaning higher efficiency (the timing belt sits in oil)
vvt on both cam
block is the size of A4 paper

Ginge

http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=47&i=26546

Some more stuff from the web!

Ford tweaked its new 1.0-liter three-cylinder EcoBoost engine, which normally produces 100-125 PS (in European production trim), to 205 PS and then placed it in a "road legal" version of a Formula Ford. The result? A lap of 7 minutes 22 seconds at the Nürburgring’s famed Nordschleife circuit, the 11th fastest lap ever recorded at the daunting race track. That's higher on the list than many supercars such as the 700HP Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4, the 660HP Ferrari Enzo and the 602HP Pagani Zonda. The 1.0-litre EcoBoost-powered Formula Ford turned in a unofficial top speed of 255.5 km/h (158.8 mph) and a 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) time of less than four seconds, according to Ford. Fuel economy is equally impressive: unofficially 2.4 l/100 km (118 mpg) at 56 km/h (35 mph), and 5 l/100 km (57 mpg) at 120 km/h (75 mph). The project modified the racer so it would be fully street legal for on-road use by fitting it with wheel covers, front and rear lights and indicators, aerodynamically designed wing mirrors and a horn. The car is fitted with a 6-speed manual gearbox and was driven on road-legal tyres. The vehicle completed the 20.832 km (12.94 mile) Nordschleife circuit at an average speed of 169 km/h (105 mph). No other three- or even four-cylinder car has posted a faster time at the legendary circuit.


Ginge

martysmartie

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Yes, the 1600 Ecoboost, which you can already get in the MK 4.

Martin

jonny s2

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just over 200 ive heard

xr2wishy

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how can you conclude that is blinkered????
bigger displacement always tends to bigger power, adding a turbo makes more from the cylinder capacity i grant you, but this is a road of tiny engines that may have the power, but little or none mechanical noise to make it feel alive.
consider the 1.6 with a turbo will have even more power and efficiency over a 3.0, suddenly the 1.0 is not so great in many respects.
small engines with turbo's are nothing new, but making them stronger to take more boost and power output is something constantly moving forwards.
i did have a 2.1 turbo zetec, so a relatively small engine compared to my 330ci e46, but i prefer the sound from the bm, although i do miss the power of 2BAR through the 2.1 forged engine.

the reason for the iron blocks is strength, the very reason m3's use iron, where the lesser spec engines, certainly in the e46's use alloy for weight and cost of production, but do not lend to higher compression ratios, higher rev limits and higher power production.

xr2wishy

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a formula ford chassis is far from the weight and comfort in a supercar though, of course it will do the ring quickly. you could put a 1.0 in it with no turbo and still post a reasonable time compared to a regular car, but you wouldn't be driving it there and back though

Ginge !

Anyway I priced up a zetec s and its same price on finance as a fiesta st1

So I'm buying a 1.25 fiesta zetec lol

I need to just have 1 fast car and so I need to finish impreza rather than get another fun car

Need a presentable car fir smoking about in and I like the look of the new fiesta too

xr2wishy

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nippy little fiestas with the 1.25 zetec, never be lightening, but then you'd waste all your cash on fuel then, my problem with a 3.0 straight six petrol for a daily