escortcabby

Had a good chat with my mate today who had a 390bhp saff cossie that he LOVED to drive,now after 2 years its fully built and made 517bhp BUT although its FAST he says it doesnt sound and drive like it used to,says it was a much better car at 390bhp and said it feels punchier now but it built speed quicker at 390bhp..has lag now to so really have to work the revs high which he didnt like,therefore SOLD it to hes cousin who now has it locked away..
Why have a 500bhp cosworth for street use if its not going to perform any better than a 350-400 properly driven one? Also i seen a 450bhp cosworth get its arse whooped by a 340 bhp stage 3 t34 saff at the pod last year.. Now i know a 500bhp cossie would obviously be immense but why is it that a near 400bhp saff would perform near enough the same if not quicker as a road car? why do people build 500bhp cossies top end power when in real situations that power never gets used as half the time it would probably be OFF boost.. very interesting imo .. so whos done it? whats it performed like ? just curious not having a dig

james kiely

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this is the million dollar question mate .

stage 3 cossies in around the 380/400 mark are the best most reliable and affordable you can have .and the quickest in everyday situations .

escortcabby

exactly! My mate said hes t34 390bhp setup was alot quicker than hes new set up. He said it was the biggest mistake he made with the car and said if he raced hes old set up the old set up would have dusted him 90percent of the time on the road.

ajamesc

I had a 350bhp set up before my 500bhp gt30 on autronics set up the 350 set up was shit slow against how it is now in all ways! As it is now running and holding 2.6 bar it pulls like fuck and is really really fast!

escortcabby

2.6bar on a gt30 now that must be a handfull! have you run it up the strip?

ajamesc

No never mate not really ever been into the shows and track it's more of a road toy! I'm big into bikes! I have a gsxr1000 that's my main like but before that I had a 98 carb'ed R1 in gear on the move the saff was as quick easy but with 350 never in a million years

escortcabby

wow,so say if you raced a 380bhp saff how many car lengths you reckon you would pull over a quarter mile?

botters

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cue rod coming along to tell everyone their cars are slow

escortcabby

id race him today !

Sonic Boom

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Mines up to 550bhp now and every evolution of it has got better and better I love the current spec but I wouldn't turn down another 50 horses.
Rich

escortcabby

i seen your car in action at a drag strip mate it was mentally fast and sounded ace!

Sonic Boom

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Cheers mate managed a 11.9 @ 128mph with a slippy clutch
Rich

Glenn_

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I wouldnt mind a go in a 500bhp cossie.I think mines fast on greens with a standard T3 lol.

Ginge !

It's just lie people who take drugs, chasing that first few highs and trying to get better than that so raising the game

I'm sure a well speced and set up car can have a decent power and rather than fuck all the fuck me were off but run out of road

I hated the leggy feel of my cossie but love the feel of my Impreza but need more power to have the same shove just at the rpm of my impreza

Then when that happens tg gearbox will need changing and then I'll get bored of the power and I'm back chasing that high

Cosnada

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Why chase horse power when its the torque that really counts.

Staffi

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Both are important

Staffi

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Thing is, Turbo's have come on so much now, i.e the Borg Warner ones spool up like T34s and make for a great road car EVEN at 500-600,

Personal choice i guess

Kam B

Interesting thoughts, but i guess quicker spool up time on the turbo and good torque will suit fast road configuration. If you like to go fast in a straight line then having a blast on the motorway would suit 500bhp

SmudgerByName

I guess it all depends on what the owner is looking for and what it's used for. Yes for some people 350+ BHP is enough and most people would be happy with that but the problem comes when you get used to the power. It becomes mundane and then yoou need a new thrill. Whether or not it's a case of selling and getting something else or improving what you already have (hence the 500+ bhp cars you see)

ajamesc

All these people who think power full yb's are un reliable laggy and only good for straight line don't have a clue what there on about lol
You have iver simply not been in one or only been in some badly set up torque less heap with a t4 on it and standard brakes and suspension lol

Rsmat

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I've looked into the Borg Warner turbos mate and to make then do the numbers ESP on the EVO's you have to push then beyond the capabilities .... Unless going bigger and ruining the spool up of the T34 characteristics ...so still shit for my application so I think

Staffi

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Exactly as my post above James, agree totally.

Staffi

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Mat,
Like i said kid, personal choice, as for pushing turbo's, 36 psi on yours isn't then...

lee2cossies

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Rich have u got a basic run down on your engine spec?

Rsmat

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Never said it wasn't ..... Just spoke to a few evo boys and they said there shit don't bother ... And my turbos still alive so we will see


And no it isn't ... We will see 38-39 if kept on this turbo and over 40 if I get a different turbo

cossie4i+

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Had both and TBH around the 380bhp mark makes for a great all round road car.

500bhp is a great laugh when set up correctly like mine, lags not bad and i also have great torque (over 450lb/ft)

Steve

Sonic Boom

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Totally agree mate I use mine for racing if anyone thinks a 3 Door with 200 brake less than mine would keep up on a track twisty or not is dreaming.
Rich

Sonic Boom

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CGI 200 Twin feed Ex-WRC Block
10 Long Studs
Wet Nikasil Liners
Cosworth Racing Short Skirt Pistons 7.9:1 Compression Ratio
Cosworth WRC Long Rods
Mountune/Cosworth Crank
Oil Spray Jets
High Pressure and Flow Oil Pump
Wide Wing Sump with a Blue Sprint Sump Baffle
Big Ported Head 27mm Inlet 27mm Exhaust
Danny @ BlueSprint Super High lift Inlet cam
Standard Exhaust Cam
Hart Inlet Manifold
83lb Siemens Injectors
Tubular Manifold with 52mm primaries
GTX3076r Turbo with Tial .82 SS V-Band Exhaust Housing fitted with air to fluid cooler
100mm Airtec Intercooler
Full 4 Port Breather System with -10 Braided Lines
Remote Oil Filter and Oil Cooler system fitted with -10 Braided Lines
550 BHP & 531 ft/lb Torque

RIch

lee2cossies

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Thanks, I'v got a gt3076 for my build and trying to decide on spec, aiming for around 500hp. Seen your car at shakespheres county last year and very impressed, the times should drop now u have a supra diff and can go a bit harder off the line?

scoooby slayer

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lol 2 genuine cars one running 350 hp the other running 500 hp assumeing they are running the power they say they are and built and specced properly once your on boost as long as it stays in boost the 350 hp engine isnt gonna win unless its gonna defy the laws of physics fpmsl

i own a 450 hp r32 and a 660 hp r33 and 0 - 100 mph r32 is 10 seconds, r33 is 8 seconds so far, once its on boost the r33 WILL destroy the r32 no question.

Rod-Tarry

Thats nonsense or he has a crap Spec. The more Power they have the more grunt they have . Have had 330, 400, 500, 640. 700, 840 conversions they just got faster & faster. Admit over 640 they are difficult to contain on the road as high end pick-up gets silly.

Heres what my 700bhp conversion did to a 460bhp Escort & yes he was trying between the tears .

BRAMMER

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Mines about the max i'd like it for a 2wd road car on a lower comp, GT3076 engine.
It may not be as quick as some car's out there but it's more than enough, it's mapped right and drives as well at 30 as it does peaking at 36psi - as for stage 3 i hated mine and couldn't wait to get a bigger turbo on

james kiely

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i think what the op means is the lad didnt get feel the difference was worth all the hassle of going to 500bhp when..........90% .........of the time he felt his old setup was better .

for the everyday car that people dont want to sink 1000,s of pounds into stage 3 gives the best bang for its buck.

how many setups ,engine builds have you had rod ,just because yours got faster/better evertime doesnt mean your previous setup was crap does it

H15 FSC

im confused?? what did you do to it???

if you mean you over took a car with 240bhp less than you on a dual carriage way/motorway in a straight line, then well done

now try it down some twisty B roads or track,

what the op is saying is that a low lag 390hp will feel quicker around the streets than a laggy 500+ motor,we are not talking not flat out on a dual carriage way.

Fiesta_Jed

IMO the people that complain that their new big power engine is a turd to drive and their old 3??bhp spec car was faster, do so because they have a badly specd big power engine.

Building a good 3??BHP spec YB isnt difficult, standard engine, T34.63 and lots of boost.

The cams, CR and Turbo all work well together and give a good usable power band.

I imagine that building a 500bhp YB that drives just as good (if not better) is perfectly possible, if you know what your doing.

Ie. The correct cams, turbo, CR and headwork must be chosen.

What most people who try and build a big power engine do is raid the burton power catalog and seek advice from the keyboard tuners, and they end up with a spec like this.

"stage 3" head
Cams that for whatever reason are not suitable for their application
A massive turbo that runs low boost
A CR that they thought sounded good.

Then they wonder why it makes no torque, is laggy and horrible to drive before coming to the conclusion that its the mappers fault

Built correctly a 500bhp car will be faster than a 300bhp car regardless of the road.

Rsmat

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Exactly my argument all the time ... Straight line ... Anyone can go quick in a straight line .

Staffi

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These threads really make me giggle to be honest, no disrespect to ANYONE who posts on them, BUT the T34 350-400 boys will always say their setup is the best and then yes you've geust it the 500-600 will say theirs are far superior, pretty pointless threads really.

BUT LIKE I SAY, PERSONAL CHOICE.

now let's move on amd talk about fanny's or something

JamesH

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Exactly what I couldn't be bothered to write!

scoooby slayer

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read the post the op said about getting wooped at pod with 150 hp less, bad start or not all that extra power means much faster acceleration and to beat it in a drag race well it wouldnt happen all things being equal, that video shows 240 hp more and it destroys it its very relevant imo.

Rsmat

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