Big Thanks to Newcastle Council for their victimisation of local business
16-02-2013, 01:14 AM
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Council bods are generally total and utter cunts when it comes to shit like this.
I'll never forget one Xmas about 3 years ago 3 fake tanned dolly birds sitting in a yaris photographing all the boys coming into the scrappy just incase any of them didn't have a waste carriers licence.
Merry fucking Xmas!!!
I wonder if you put them on trailers would the same rules still apply?
I'd doubt it.
Just got off from a £400 from dvla attempting to prosecute me for not putting a car on the MID database even though I produced a trade insurance certificate,evidence the car was taxed the day of the alleged offence they still pushed it for nearly a year to court.
Stood there for 30 seconds while he confirmed it was on the mid database.
It wasn't,I put it on about 3 months afterwards ,it's just the dvla backing down as the loophole is that a car MUST be insured to tax it,therefore I must have had insurance regardless of what mid say.
Fucking nonsense,I'm not joking though in saying that there were over 500 cases being heard solely by the dvla that day,who incidently now have a permanent solicitor based in Swansea magistrates court.
Wankers sent me a letter telling me I didn't have to attend......
On the day I was attending!!!!
I'll never forget one Xmas about 3 years ago 3 fake tanned dolly birds sitting in a yaris photographing all the boys coming into the scrappy just incase any of them didn't have a waste carriers licence.
Merry fucking Xmas!!!
I wonder if you put them on trailers would the same rules still apply?
I'd doubt it.
Just got off from a £400 from dvla attempting to prosecute me for not putting a car on the MID database even though I produced a trade insurance certificate,evidence the car was taxed the day of the alleged offence they still pushed it for nearly a year to court.
Stood there for 30 seconds while he confirmed it was on the mid database.
It wasn't,I put it on about 3 months afterwards ,it's just the dvla backing down as the loophole is that a car MUST be insured to tax it,therefore I must have had insurance regardless of what mid say.
Fucking nonsense,I'm not joking though in saying that there were over 500 cases being heard solely by the dvla that day,who incidently now have a permanent solicitor based in Swansea magistrates court.
Wankers sent me a letter telling me I didn't have to attend......
On the day I was attending!!!!
16-02-2013, 06:32 AM
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A friend of mine was working on a sales car and it was clamped by dvla so the owner came and cut the clamp off once car was fixed and sold the new owner tried to tax it and couldn't due to the clamp being cut off the car ended up being broken for parts as dvla had made the car untaxible
16-02-2013, 06:49 AM
#45
What you have to appreciate is that the dvla you send paperwork to for tax and shit like that is in Wales
And the folks at the late licensing penalty office are somewhere in Newcastle
And even if the welsh confirm that the magpies are in the wrong, until you produce a welsh letter dated before the magpies letters you get fucked in the arse when it comes to tax and sorn issues
I produced a confirmation letter from the dvla to show that I had indeed sorned my car but because it wasn't the official "we have recieved your sorn here is a letter saying so" bit if paper they don't back down and it goes to court
And this was on a vehicle is scrapped 3 years previously
So make sure you keep all the paperwork
And the folks at the late licensing penalty office are somewhere in Newcastle
And even if the welsh confirm that the magpies are in the wrong, until you produce a welsh letter dated before the magpies letters you get fucked in the arse when it comes to tax and sorn issues
I produced a confirmation letter from the dvla to show that I had indeed sorned my car but because it wasn't the official "we have recieved your sorn here is a letter saying so" bit if paper they don't back down and it goes to court
And this was on a vehicle is scrapped 3 years previously
So make sure you keep all the paperwork
16-02-2013, 09:02 AM
#46
here's a link Botters that may help you https://www.gov.uk/register-sorn-sta...d-notification
I still find it unclear
I still find it unclear
Last edited by Turbosystems; 16-02-2013 at 09:04 AM.
16-02-2013, 09:42 AM
#47
Lots of these laws are brought in with out any votes in parliament and penalize many law abiding citizens to try to stop the few getting away with crime. The sorn thing was to stop road tax evasion. The newer must be insured if its taxed law is to prevent uninsured drivers, but law abiding car hobbyists get it in the neck!
The politicians (snollygosters) need to start doing their job properly by drafting better more well framed regulations. Oh and stop interfering in all our lives when we aren't doing wrong and or upsetting others! they need to understand the difference between spirit of the law and letter of the law!
makes me want to emigrate!
16-02-2013, 10:40 AM
#49
I'm Finding My Feet Here Now
16-02-2013, 12:15 PM
#50
here's a pasted section from the dvla
If you’re a motor trader
"Motor traders don’t need to make a SORN on a vehicle if all the following apply:
it’s only temporarily in your possession (until you sell it)
it’s being kept off the road (except to and from a licensed station for a pre-arranged MOT, vehicle identity check, or weight or emissions test)
it’s being taxed
You’re a motor trader for SORN purposes if you’re a:
motor dealer
motor auctioneer
vehicle dismantler
vehicle insurer looking after a vehicle while a claim is being settled
finance company licensed to temporarily hold a vehicle following an order for repossession"
From reading that I can't see where and why they had any legal right to clamp them and fleece me
If you’re a motor trader
"Motor traders don’t need to make a SORN on a vehicle if all the following apply:
it’s only temporarily in your possession (until you sell it)
it’s being kept off the road (except to and from a licensed station for a pre-arranged MOT, vehicle identity check, or weight or emissions test)
it’s being taxed
You’re a motor trader for SORN purposes if you’re a:
motor dealer
motor auctioneer
vehicle dismantler
vehicle insurer looking after a vehicle while a claim is being settled
finance company licensed to temporarily hold a vehicle following an order for repossession"
From reading that I can't see where and why they had any legal right to clamp them and fleece me
16-02-2013, 10:09 PM
#52
I assume you have spoken to a solicitor re the theft ?
IMO car thieves no matter what veil they hide behind all deserve the same thing. Fucking shot.
Taking without the owners consent is theft. It is worded that way quite specifically by the law. And the people that stole those cars has done exactly that ! How the police let it happen is unbelievable.
Maybe if we're lucky, North Korea will set off a few nukes and take over the world....it'll be a freer place for us then !
IMO car thieves no matter what veil they hide behind all deserve the same thing. Fucking shot.
Taking without the owners consent is theft. It is worded that way quite specifically by the law. And the people that stole those cars has done exactly that ! How the police let it happen is unbelievable.
Maybe if we're lucky, North Korea will set off a few nukes and take over the world....it'll be a freer place for us then !
17-02-2013, 01:01 PM
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Typical I'm afraid, you have money & a fixed address so you are worth chasing for as much as they can get. If you are a pikey cunt or illegal immigrant, or a dole dossing scum bag, or a career criminal then you would be left alone to do whatever you want, as the police have no interest in you & the courts can't make money out of you.
I can see in the future no one voting in the elections as everyone is sick to the back teeth of lying incompetent morons in all areas of public office..
As for people saying rules is rules, whatever happened to common sense?
I can see in the future no one voting in the elections as everyone is sick to the back teeth of lying incompetent morons in all areas of public office..
As for people saying rules is rules, whatever happened to common sense?
17-02-2013, 02:04 PM
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Sorn dose run out after a while and you have to re sorn things!
Are they all your cars then because if there customers cars they must of had letters saying the tax needs renewing!
I left taxing my merc till late in January as the tax ran out end of December and I spent loads over Christmas and I got a final reminder in the post!
Are they all your cars then because if there customers cars they must of had letters saying the tax needs renewing!
I left taxing my merc till late in January as the tax ran out end of December and I spent loads over Christmas and I got a final reminder in the post!
17-02-2013, 02:13 PM
#60
My gripe is the council called the dvla and they were both in my side yard /car park
which is only fenced on three sides it will be fenced off on 4 on monday
According to the dvla guy had they been parked in front of my unit they wouldn't have taken them
work that out batman
They chose these 2 from my land non of the others outside the other 2 garages
which is only fenced on three sides it will be fenced off on 4 on monday
According to the dvla guy had they been parked in front of my unit they wouldn't have taken them
work that out batman
They chose these 2 from my land non of the others outside the other 2 garages
17-02-2013, 03:25 PM
#61
Sounds like youve upset one of youre nieghbours or someone whos a cunt has it in for you and taken it up with the council and DVLA.
That's heavy handed even for round here
Thing i dont get is, if your carpark is private land and considered "accessable to the public" and hence they can use that bullshit excuse to seize your car, then why cant they sieze untaxed cars off peoples drives if theres no gates?? after all said drives are "accessable to the public".
Have you upset the council over business rates or similar?? sounds like the sort of cunts trick they would pull if you upset them over something like that. Ie the valuation assessor would be annoyed and conveniently notice untaxed cars on the property and note it down to grass you up.
Screwing the small business' isnt the intent. making money is the intent, the rules just happen to be such that they screw certain groups over more than others.
That's heavy handed even for round here
Thing i dont get is, if your carpark is private land and considered "accessable to the public" and hence they can use that bullshit excuse to seize your car, then why cant they sieze untaxed cars off peoples drives if theres no gates?? after all said drives are "accessable to the public".
Have you upset the council over business rates or similar?? sounds like the sort of cunts trick they would pull if you upset them over something like that. Ie the valuation assessor would be annoyed and conveniently notice untaxed cars on the property and note it down to grass you up.
Screwing the small business' isnt the intent. making money is the intent, the rules just happen to be such that they screw certain groups over more than others.
17-02-2013, 03:52 PM
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17-02-2013, 04:10 PM
#63
my psychiatrist says I am special ?
Sounds like youve upset one of youre nieghbours or someone whos a cunt has it in for you and taken it up with the council and DVLA.
That's heavy handed even for round here
Thing i dont get is, if your carpark is private land and considered "accessable to the public" and hence they can use that bullshit excuse to seize your car, then why cant they sieze untaxed cars off peoples drives if theres no gates?? after all said drives are "accessable to the public".
Have you upset the council over business rates or similar?? sounds like the sort of cunts trick they would pull if you upset them over something like that. Ie the valuation assessor would be annoyed and conveniently notice untaxed cars on the property and note it down to grass you up.
Screwing the small business' isnt the intent. making money is the intent, the rules just happen to be such that they screw certain groups over more than others.
That's heavy handed even for round here
Thing i dont get is, if your carpark is private land and considered "accessable to the public" and hence they can use that bullshit excuse to seize your car, then why cant they sieze untaxed cars off peoples drives if theres no gates?? after all said drives are "accessable to the public".
Have you upset the council over business rates or similar?? sounds like the sort of cunts trick they would pull if you upset them over something like that. Ie the valuation assessor would be annoyed and conveniently notice untaxed cars on the property and note it down to grass you up.
Screwing the small business' isnt the intent. making money is the intent, the rules just happen to be such that they screw certain groups over more than others.
17-02-2013, 04:16 PM
#64
When it comes to taxation. The government will do everything in their power to screw those trying to earn a legitimate living.
If you're a dirty sponging cunt who's never worked a day in their life, has 50 children, free houses, hypochondriac always bleeding the NHS dry etc etc....then the government do fuck all except throw OUR money at them to spend on fegs and booze, as well as widescreen TV's, SKY iphones etc
It really is a complete and utter joke, except there's nothing funny about it. Drives me mad.
If you're a dirty sponging cunt who's never worked a day in their life, has 50 children, free houses, hypochondriac always bleeding the NHS dry etc etc....then the government do fuck all except throw OUR money at them to spend on fegs and booze, as well as widescreen TV's, SKY iphones etc
It really is a complete and utter joke, except there's nothing funny about it. Drives me mad.
17-02-2013, 04:32 PM
#65
Warren
apparently the council have been having a big purge flexing their new powers in the area
one wouldn't have thought the laws weren't intended to take cars from garages
I haven't had a car parked in my side yard for months one of the other garages fills all the parking spaces including mine
So I suppose he may have attracted the interests of our helpful cuntcil
I shall be removing the number plates from now on if I have to park anything that isn't taxed in MY car park
apparently the council have been having a big purge flexing their new powers in the area
one wouldn't have thought the laws weren't intended to take cars from garages
I haven't had a car parked in my side yard for months one of the other garages fills all the parking spaces including mine
So I suppose he may have attracted the interests of our helpful cuntcil
I shall be removing the number plates from now on if I have to park anything that isn't taxed in MY car park
Last edited by Turbosystems; 17-02-2013 at 04:35 PM.
17-02-2013, 06:42 PM
#66
BANNED
BANNED
easier said than done for the motor trade as technically they can't sorn a trade registered car
It's purely another tax all they wanted was some money from us and off they all went £260 per car and off they went
IMO they are exploiting a loop hole in their own shite legislation which will in time be corrected with no refunds given
It's purely another tax all they wanted was some money from us and off they all went £260 per car and off they went
IMO they are exploiting a loop hole in their own shite legislation which will in time be corrected with no refunds given
17-02-2013, 07:04 PM
#67
Warren
apparently the council have been having a big purge flexing their new powers in the area
one wouldn't have thought the laws weren't intended to take cars from garages
I haven't had a car parked in my side yard for months one of the other garages fills all the parking spaces including mine
So I suppose he may have attracted the interests of our helpful cuntcil
I shall be removing the number plates from now on if I have to park anything that isn't taxed in MY car park
apparently the council have been having a big purge flexing their new powers in the area
one wouldn't have thought the laws weren't intended to take cars from garages
I haven't had a car parked in my side yard for months one of the other garages fills all the parking spaces including mine
So I suppose he may have attracted the interests of our helpful cuntcil
I shall be removing the number plates from now on if I have to park anything that isn't taxed in MY car park
This scenario really is baffling, even makes me furious !
17-02-2013, 07:20 PM
#68
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Saw an advert on gumtree for a bloke and his travelling family to offer free security for a plot of land to stay on for free lol, let try it then when real pikeys turn up and kick shit out of em in front of you and disappear. The you can stand there with a smug face while their faces ate getting scraped up from the road lol
18-02-2013, 08:38 PM
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Turbosystems - that guidance makes no sense at all. What does 'it's being taxed' mean? I would forget the guidance and look at the legislation itself which is the only way to get to the bottom of what is actually required.
Also, if you are putting up a fence, make sure you don't need planning permission to do so. Normally, you can erect a 2m high fence as long as it does not front a vehicular highway. If it is next to a vehicular highway, then it can only be 1m. Best to check as you don't want to give the Council something else to have a go at you about.
Also, if you are putting up a fence, make sure you don't need planning permission to do so. Normally, you can erect a 2m high fence as long as it does not front a vehicular highway. If it is next to a vehicular highway, then it can only be 1m. Best to check as you don't want to give the Council something else to have a go at you about.
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