And i thought £75k for a Sierra RS500 was lunacy...
21-11-2012, 07:48 PM
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Unfortunately money has to be spent in top level motorsports.
21-11-2012, 07:48 PM
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In race terms, that engine may be great value for money, but it depends what context you put it in. £61k could buy you cars in the realms of Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Porsches etc etc and you get a whole car for that! But it is in a different context if you are looking at pure monetary value in comparison to other goods you could possibly buy. That's also a hefty deposit on a decent sized semi-detached house if you want to look at it that way. But in race terms, something I know very little about by the way, it seems to be a good deal.
21-11-2012, 07:56 PM
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In race terms, that engine may be great value for money, but it depends what context you put it in. £61k could buy you cars in the realms of Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Porsches etc etc and you get a whole car for that! But it is in a different context if you are looking at pure monetary value in comparison to other goods you could possibly buy. That's also a hefty deposit on a decent sized semi-detached house if you want to look at it that way. But in race terms, something I know very little about by the way, it seems to be a good deal.
21-11-2012, 08:24 PM
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the difference between that engine and a typical road spec 520hp engine is that the godfrey built unit will withstand being driven like a complete cunt under massive stress all day long for an entire season of rally cross.
Take pretty much ANY engine from the mainstream YB road tuners and you wouldnt get close to that level of performance. But it will probably be ok to drive in traffic
Take pretty much ANY engine from the mainstream YB road tuners and you wouldnt get close to that level of performance. But it will probably be ok to drive in traffic
21-11-2012, 08:37 PM
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the difference between that engine and a typical road spec 520hp engine is that the godfrey built unit will withstand being driven like a complete cunt under massive stress all day long for an entire season of rally cross.
Take pretty much ANY engine from the mainstream YB road tuners and you wouldnt get close to that level of performance. But it will probably be ok to drive in traffic
Take pretty much ANY engine from the mainstream YB road tuners and you wouldnt get close to that level of performance. But it will probably be ok to drive in traffic
21-11-2012, 09:28 PM
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i remember going to godfreys to buy an engine that he built,,
and was talking to scott that worked there while they were loading up for rally cross day, i said do you get much problems with the rally cross engines ?
he said nope, they can run all season with no problems, while he was strapping a spare engine into the back of a discovery!
21-11-2012, 09:34 PM
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i remember going to godfreys to buy an engine that he built,,
and was talking to scott that worked there while they were loading up for rally cross day, i said do you get much problems with the rally cross engines ?
he said nope, they can run all season with no problems, while he was strapping a spare engine into the back of a discovery!
and was talking to scott that worked there while they were loading up for rally cross day, i said do you get much problems with the rally cross engines ?
he said nope, they can run all season with no problems, while he was strapping a spare engine into the back of a discovery!
21-11-2012, 09:37 PM
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id do the same if i had the money!
21-11-2012, 09:38 PM
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i remember going to godfreys to buy an engine that he built,,
and was talking to scott that worked there while they were loading up for rally cross day, i said do you get much problems with the rally cross engines ?
he said nope, they can run all season with no problems, while he was strapping a spare engine into the back of a discovery!
and was talking to scott that worked there while they were loading up for rally cross day, i said do you get much problems with the rally cross engines ?
he said nope, they can run all season with no problems, while he was strapping a spare engine into the back of a discovery!
I am quite sure his and many other engines go wrong but a lot of them tend to be down to user error
no matter who built it if you drop it 2 cogs and your already at 9k something is going to break lol
21-11-2012, 09:40 PM
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thats when you want paddle shift! that disallows down shift at high rpm
21-11-2012, 09:45 PM
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The fact that every single one of you have forgotten is that it is a restricted engine. It has a 45mm restrictor. Thats like a paramedic giving you a tracheotomy with a BIC Pen.
The trick is getting a restricted engine to produce as much power and torque as possible. Torque being imperative.
The trick is getting a restricted engine to produce as much power and torque as possible. Torque being imperative.
so you cant judge any road going engine with one of these. 20 years ago 500 hp was doable in a rally car with just a T4 , cams, injectors and a good chip. Add a restrictor and the game has changed. GPN now has 32mm IIRC and 34 for GPA. Been out the game a while.
Which will give in the region of 260 bhp GPN and 320/340 GPA. WRC engines can produce about 360 bhp but 500 ft lbs torque. but once again those engine are many many £k to buy.
Which will give in the region of 260 bhp GPN and 320/340 GPA. WRC engines can produce about 360 bhp but 500 ft lbs torque. but once again those engine are many many £k to buy.So if you want to strangle every available horse and torque out your restricted engine........and make it last an event or more, then thats what you have to pay.
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21-11-2012, 09:52 PM
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21-11-2012, 09:55 PM
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21-11-2012, 09:57 PM
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22-11-2012, 10:30 AM
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I doubt you could build it for less than £40k, then there's overheads and profit on top of that, although it's a big price tag, it's not unrealistic.
It's a race engine, in a completely different league to a 2nd hand YB with a fancy turbo with 3 bar MAP sensor & 'big' injectors that the chuckle brothers have bolted together and mapped with a texas instruments calculator. You can't compare the two, it's like the Evo Vs. cossie thread, you can have a discussion, but at the end of the day it's pointless.
It's a race engine, in a completely different league to a 2nd hand YB with a fancy turbo with 3 bar MAP sensor & 'big' injectors that the chuckle brothers have bolted together and mapped with a texas instruments calculator. You can't compare the two, it's like the Evo Vs. cossie thread, you can have a discussion, but at the end of the day it's pointless.
22-11-2012, 11:13 AM
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22-11-2012, 09:03 PM
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Mate, you wouldn't want this engine in anything you're likely to use on the road. I had to drive Julian Godfrey's double championship winning Fiesta with this engine in it a number of times when I worked at Spec-R last year, and is an absolute pig - won't move without stalling below around 6000 rpm 
Sounds a beast though!
22-11-2012, 09:12 PM
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the whole point of this is that it is a proven championship winning engine built to a set of regulations, the people competing will happily pay that kind of cash as they know they can rely on it.
as for why advertise on ebay, it has a massive audience, people see it on there and start talking about it, I've seen this engine discussed many times on various forums so his advertising is doing its job and getting his work noticed.
as for why advertise on ebay, it has a massive audience, people see it on there and start talking about it, I've seen this engine discussed many times on various forums so his advertising is doing its job and getting his work noticed.
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22-11-2012, 09:32 PM
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I'd love to see the development that went into that. Whats 920NM torque in IB/FT?
22-11-2012, 11:02 PM
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If you don't understand the price tag then you don't understand, no reasoning will ever convince you otherwise....
If you think that's expensive, try aviation
I broke a hydraulic resevoir cap a few weeks ago trying toget the bastard thing unseized, the replacement part that is basically the same as your radiator cap cost £10,000
If you think that's expensive, try aviation
I broke a hydraulic resevoir cap a few weeks ago trying toget the bastard thing unseized, the replacement part that is basically the same as your radiator cap cost £10,000
22-11-2012, 11:15 PM
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A cap that ordinarily costs pence to make, even once the factory uses certified materials, certified machinery, batch testing for quality etc, no way can it still cost £10k to make.
They just hike the price because you legally cant use anything else so basically they can charge what they want.
Sure they have to charge more to cover the insurance claim if a plane crashes killing hundreds because of said cap, but that insurance cost is still small on a per part basis.
23-11-2012, 08:34 PM
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Let's just take the tires, for example: in the U.S., the Michelin Pilot Sport 2s fashioned with the Veyron's unique compound cost about $30,000; in the UK they're £23,500 ($38,216 U.S.). Bugatti recommends you change them every 4,000 kilometers, or 2,500 miles, and at every ten thousand miles the company recommends changing the wheels and tires, which runs north of $50,000.
i bet the engines north of 200k£
24-11-2012, 08:13 AM
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Yes, i bet Danny can get you them figures for about 6k
Some people on here just live inside there own 9 to 5 factory worker lifes and have no idea what motorsport costs
do you fellas realise that some people race cars worth millions of pounds with engines you wont buy for a million pounds
this engine produces toeque that will make your eyes water , and you dont get them figures for PF member prices