lukeytheduke

my saph is on for an mot this week but has no back seats, seatbelts are still there no door cards but u can still open and close doors via the handle to open it and u can grab a whole in the metal to close it again.

Also the lower dash is out exposing some bare wire. Its got a cage in to.

Will i get any trouble at all? Cheers for your help. Luke

carfixz

if the seats are missing then the belts dont get tested, no door cards, no problem, hanging wires no problem

fuzzy

why the seat belts if theres no seats? it used to be if it wasnt there it wasnt tested with many things like rear seats, belts, spare wheel etc. i dont know if thats still the case.

lukeytheduke

cheers lads. Its an ongoing project so only stripped the basics out. I know u have to be able to open and close the door. U can open it fine but not sure if they class using the wholes in the metal as acceptable way of closing the door?

bigluke200

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As above, no probs at all!

1.9 xr2 on 40's

if you dont use them any more (no rear seats) it basically turns into a van and therefore nowt really matters in the back
if you take the belts out remember the holes are straight out the floor and need bunging

lukeytheduke

what about the front door card situation. Can anyone clarify that please?

bigluke200

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No door cards in my 3dr.. Passed no probs

skippy,rst

deffo dont need door cards mate...

RS2000CUSTOM

If the MOT is carried out correctly and passes then simply expect loads of Advisories as any decent tester will list things that would normally have been tested which have subsequently been removed.

BUT be aware of 'Must Have" items as if they inoperative or missing it will still fail anyway

lukeytheduke

What have v got to close the front door with??

Rsmat

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I bet he closes it with his hand mate.....


If in doubt Luke make a string handle.

bigluke200

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Lol, yep just my hand You don't really need anything mate.

Rsmat

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Quality lol....

lukeytheduke

hahaha. fuck it string handle it is then lol!


What about the interior mirror that hangs from top of windscreen? I got those bollox sticky pads from halfrauds and they last a week. Do i have to have this mirror to pass an mot?i think i read somewhere u do need it?

Rsmat

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Yea mirror you need mate

lukeytheduke

cheers lovers!x

DAN-Saff

Iirc you only need 2 mirrors on the car - like a van with metal rear doors

jamie's

you need the the drivers side wing mirror and 1 other,
the other could be either passenger mirror OR interior mirror
so if you got a passenger wing mirror then the interior mirror is NOT required

c612_woody

if it aint there it cant be tested

mechanic28

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the back doors you dont need to be able to open or close them u just need to check they are securely shut

lukeytheduke

haha that is quality. So i have drivers side and passanger side wing mirrors so i defo dont need the one on the windscreen? So i presume the police if they kick of about it cant do anything either?! Cheers. Luke

stevieturbo

A car is not a van

From around 1986, a car must have the full compliment. 2 exterior and 1 interior.

As for seat belts....pretty sure the car would fail here if it had belts and no seats. Your MOT may be more flexible in that respect.

As for door cards. As long as there is a means of opening and closing the doors, and there is nothing of any danger to the occupants then it shouldnt matter.

lukeytheduke

any mot testers help me out on the seat belt question?

mechanic28

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ahhh be careful there mot and law are two different things lol but no u wont get done by the police for not having a interior mirror and ref seatbelts,if there is a seat there it has to have a working belt if there is no seat then there needs to be no belt although u should get a advise for it

stevieturbo

Just checked the manual here. I stand corrected.

If it's ok here, good chance you're ok over there.

Mirrors...weird this must have changed. Or differs from the legal Construction and Use stuff. Definitely 1986 on C&U states it must have all 3, as Ive queried this with the police before.

Taken from our MOT manual

jamie's

irish must be differant rules regarding mirrors as over here you defo only need the offside plus 1 other, dont know why so many rule changes between the 2 countries

fuzzy

why does it have "or" after the mirror quotes? if you have 1 of those 3 is it ok?

stevieturbo

the link above confirms that Northern Ireland MOT does actually only require 2.

I'm pretty sure Construction and Use states differently though ! Just cant find anything

jamie's

yeah i just re-read that
my bad

cossirob

nope they must be able to open and close from the outside

mechanic28

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no rear doors have to be securely shut front door you have to be able to open from inside and out side

mechanic28

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2 out of the 3 but one of those two must either be off side or interior mirror

Psycho Warren

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You have to be careful as a lot of things on construction and use dont come under MoT. People need to remember that MoT is only the minimum basic assessment of key "roadworthyness" factors.

People building trackday cars etc are best to read up on IVA testing criteria as it is based on much of the construction and use regulations but limited for none mass produced cars, kit cars and rebuild/radically altered cars.

Most moderately modified cars would in a legal sense these days probably be classed as a Radically Altered Vehicle in VOSA's eyes and thus should be IVA'd.

Its something that WILL come back to bite the modified scene in the next few years. It is illogical to make it so you have to IVA a kit car but not a road car rebuilt with mostly modified parts.

Weve just been able to get away with it for as long as we have by luck really and people not being too stupid. However as per usual in this country, the mongs have ruined it for the rest of us and the idiot chav racers and VW "scene" faggots with bodged and dangerous mods have drawn unwanted attention to our scene and its only a matter of time before the pressure to enforce the current legislation becomes strong enough.

yes thats right for those who arent already aware, many highly modified cars are illegally on the road and under current legislation should have been IVA'd already. The legislation is already in place (and has been since SVA was introduced) its just that only a few VOSA officials and cops have the knowledge and motivation to enforce it. They have already proposed many changes to MoT to combat it and we are lucky that only a few have got through due to problems with implemention and practicality of enforcing it on a large scale.

Although i suspect when it does come it will be quite simple to refuse an MoT until a IVA test pass has been issued. Probably using the same means they use to catch out kit cars still running on the donor ID.


To be fair i see forced IVA on modified cars as a good thing. based on a type approved road car, almost all the standard bits and areas will already meet the standards anyway so its just the modifications and much of the common mods wont be a problem anyway. It also removes the grey areas often encountered with modified cars. prime example is exhaust noise which is open to interpretation. Under IVA the noise limit is absolute, plain and clear and its easy for us to comply and then no copper can challenge it either (well he can but wont win).

stevieturbo

Isnt there the issue that a lot of classic cars simply would not pass an IVA regardless ? Certainly when the talk came in about all this nonsense, that was what the magazines and bodies acting on the classics behalf were saying.

IVA is based on modern rules, many of which an old car would never be able to pass as IVA didnt take into account vehicle age.

Noise is an odd one though. Ive a friend with a Victory Hammer 1800cc V-Twin with open pipes that was IVA'd or whatever the bike equivalent is. Loud is an understatement !

nicksaph

rear doors need to open from inside and outside now as of 1st jan this year.

there's lots of new fail items that started coming in from 1st jan this year they are bringing them in perioddicly during the year

the mirror that must be fitted is the off side mirror.
if it hasn't got that one it will fail even is the nearside and interior ones are fitted

mechanic28

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correct on the rear doors but it only have to opened from the outside i never knew that,good job i have always checked they opened anyway even tho i thought it was not part of the test anymore,i have learned something new lol

Psycho Warren

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I doubt most highly modified classics that come under IVA would really struggle. Normal classics where originality is key are not affected.

Have a read of the regs and to be fair there arent many things that are impossible to solve.

replicas of 1930s cars with suicide doors and sharp as fuck cycle wings get through and loose none of the original character so im sure it wouldnt be a big deal.

Sure you might have on some really old cars, the additional fitment of side repeaters, rear fog and reverse lights and a few things like blunted edges and improved brakes, but is that a bad thing??? and again its only going to affect modified cars which by definition arent really that bothered by originality.

emissions is no problem as its engine age based.

noise like emissions is based on age of the test. eg IVA noise rules are tighter than SVA. However nothing as yet is retrospective. Also noise is done at a certain RPM based on peak power and also a set position of the noise meter. certain engines will due to power band get away with it easier than others.

have a read through the IVA manual or one of the kit car magazine summaries as its really not that bad.

cossirob

Sorry but rear doors only need to be able to open from the outside, doors must be easy to open and close for hinges, catches and pillars to be inspected.

Also like nick said the offside mirror is obigatory but you do need one of the other two

Psycho Warren

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ive got a good one for you.....

a lot of MoT places seem to be more rigidly enforcing rules onprescribed areas of visibility to the extent of failing cars for having a magic tree hanging off the rearview mirror.

now obviously the rearview mirror is excluded as a failure point for obscuring visibility.

So what would happen if you removed the mirror on say a semi track car with carbon rear window and in its place put a go pro camera or similar??

Logic would dictate that visbility is no worse impaired so it is no more unsafe than if a rear view mirror was in the same place.

However, would the fact it is a camera, NOT a mirror mean it has no exception to the visibility rule and thus be a point of failure???

a practical example. I have a camera in front of my mirror for trackday use and insurance purposes. it is deliberately located to not obscure driver visibility of the road and is entirely behind the mirror when sat looking from the drivers seat. Perfectly legal under current MoT rules. If i fitted carbon rear windows to save weight (i cant see much out back due to spoiler anyway so no visibility loss in practical sense) and removed the redundant mirror, would the camera now be a fail point??