Its not the case the RR tuner has over done it, its simply the case the RR tuner has tuned the car for a stationary condition albiet the car is simulating some engine load. If the car is making more power and is'nt detting then it is fact better optimised for the RR condition. Unfortunetly its that very last sentance where the problem lies. The engine mapping has been optimised for a set or condtions and requirments which dont accurately represent real world conditions.

 

Because the diff conversion is a great idea and is one third the cost of a motorsport 9 inch diff!???



cheers danny

 

But cant you do the conversion yourself??

 

are you going to stand by your word and pay moonstone for the pistons or not
your like a repeating record Danny

 

Danny,

May I suggest that when we mapped that car it actually made 385 bhp on nobles RR. That was nearly 10 years ago!!!! Perhaps after many years and miles since I mapped it conditions have changed, both in terms of engine wear and things like boost loss, weak actuator etc. If you think your mapping is better than mine you are sadly very deluded!

 

on the rr maybe on the road there would have been more! but glad to see you are now turning on karl as well as everyone else who dares challenge enhanced problems
p.s. my parents have gone on holiday and i said i would do some planting for them while they were away, can i borrow your spade because it seems like a fucking good one

 

Karl a man with two arms two legs and a head who knows mapping can be as good as the next man..

The engine was not 10 years old and the reciepts in the folder for map etc wernt either..

Your mapping was great but we improved it full stop..and contrary to what you say it hasnt blown up..

A dd rr can hold and replicate road load and more although air intake even on the best i except isnt the same..

The car made great boost and held it also it was running awesome in every way but the map was richer up top and it took more spark and like iv said that was 2 years ago..


cheers danny

 

I don't think judging someone's mapping ability on one single figure (peak power) is very clever. I feel peak power is the last thing we worry about when calibrating an engines map. And I personally feel it shows a lack of professionalism .

 

so you took a car that was built and live mapped by a man that I have a huge respect for stuck it on some rolling road you borrow and decided to advance the ignition and lean the fuel off
sounds familiar this
when you admit yourself that det is caused by to little fuel and or to much advance
all I can say is thank god you closed down

 

exactley, i reckon i with my limited but fair knowledge of how a car is mapped could make one see 500bhp ok it may see that for .2 milliseconds before it shat itself but i reckon i could get there lol

 

If you can get more torque and power by optimizing a map then of course its better!!!

The boost wasnt increased just the ignition table and fuel table optimized,how can that be bad for an engine??


cheers danny

 

exactley cossies make good power when slightly leaner, for a moment at least

 

"better" for that moment in time I agree with, but you don't know the adverse effects of your tweaks

 

course you do tony posted the pictures

 

My escort was done 9k ago 2 years ago and get the arse ragged off it!!

My race car was done time and time again on the rollers with changes nearly 5 years ago and i just re sold the bottom end with a freshen up and its doing 600 hp again with no troubles..

There is loads of cars that we have mapped on the rr ,guess what this one (steves )is the only one to have gone wrong and i still dont think its lukes/eps fault..



cheers danny

 

Danny, I don't know you so Im certainly not going to argue on the internet. What I'll say is mapping is not something that anyone can be good at. It is actually very important to fully understand every aspect of engine design and the complicated nature of the engine dynamics. (i.e. the real interaction of all conditions)

There is no way you can understand the weber system like I do. I have spent years studying the system and know every map within the ecu. You simply cannot and wont have access to those maps. IEMS for example only covers some very basic maps, and certainly you wont understand how the ecu compensates igntion and fuel with air temperature.

I am leaving this topic now simply because I dont wish to get drawn in any further. I have given my opinion and been very fair. Hopefully Ill get to meet you danny and have a chat. I'm sure outside the internet we'll probably get along very well as we are both petrol heads.

 

so 10 mins ago was danny's best mate now karls a cunt

 

Reading this, Karl has missed his calling in life. If we could convince him to pop over to the middle east all the worlds problems are over

 

from storys posted by other users in pages previous steves was not the only one to go wrong, the only one to go bang maybe but there are many examples posted of shoddy work coming out of ep, st engines making crossflow power, injectors siliconed in, turbo's welded to manifolds etc...
danny i do sincerley respect what you are doing sticking up for a mate like you are, i truly wish i could say i had friends that would do the same for me in fact i would be honoured and for that reason you have my respect
but come on its game over. you said you would pay for the pistons if the map could be proved at fault and by the findings of well respected tuners on here the map has had that many holes picked in it that it must now resemble swiss cheese. do your self a favour, pay up and move on

 

Karl you have been fair and i do respect your opinion and i dont doubt for a second you understand certain things better than me but i think your find that in some circumstances things can be improved and i have done that to many cars that are still fine and running fine still now..

I would love to meet and chat to you too and look forward to it..



cheers danny

 

danny are you going to pay for his pistons? its like a roundabout you keep turning but not coming off at an exit

 

IMG_6204 by Tony Turbo, on Flickr

 

sooooo what we have determined at last thtat the gated sump welds where faulty as per thread title

 

Jay i might call you a cunt mate but i certainly have never called karl one!!!


cheers danny

 

NO Karl is far from one and you wouldnt be the first lol

 

This is nearly as good as the diving lol. Btw I too think jay is a cunt

 

really im shocked and hurt Gareth i really am

 

do you think tom is going to get the gold its fecking close

 

LOL!!!

I really hope so..




cheers danny

 

well maybe silver

 

I think I'll jump on this wagon and call Jay a cunt too.

No reason.....

 

maybe a bronze

 

He sounds like a farmer

 

Carlos ive known gareth for 10 years he knows me well lol

 

Farmer that makes great carbon!

(wasn't slaggin you off for sounding like a farmer )

 

Jay calm down, your making us sound like bummers lol

 

Have to say not being a technical person Danny was right, but looks like he owes you a set off pistons. Even Karl says so way I read it

 

Jay's a cunt....?

 

I can hardly believe what I've just read there.

Do you actually know what afr peak power is made? And would you run a car there?
Or are you contradicting yourself yet again?

 

I think we need to start a poll