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Old Jun 30, 2012 | 12:34 AM
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hello all, has anyone removed there diesel particulate filter and had the chip taken off the ecu so ther is no issues going into limp home mode, im well pissed off with this fault comeing up all the time, thus company will remove the chip if you send them yr ecu..
http://www.removemydpf.co.uk/dpf-rem...ostal-service/

my shitroen!! c5 has nearly 160,000 on the clock and runs as sweet as fuck and uses just about no oil and at any speed is very quiet just hate the Antipollution warning shit that comes up and makes the car run slow.. ive taken the filter off and powerwashed it out to get all the soot out put it all back together and with in 5 mins the warning light had gone out and happy days then 2 days later its back on, Citroen themselfs only clean the units and send them back to be used again

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ive done it on several ford focus, mercs and bmws they drive so much better without them
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ive done it on several ford focus, mercs and bmws they drive so much better without them
did you have to get the chip removed off the ecu mate,
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did you have to get the chip removed off the ecu mate,
You need to get the ecu remapped to delete the dpf, then remove the dpf itself from the car, knock all the material out, Refitting is reversal of removal.
Have done quite a lot of this recently.
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We do this on pretty much all new Audis we deal with, its a joke!, as said remove the honey combe and remap it, we have steam cleaned them out before sometimes it works, most times it doesnt, so id go the remap route.
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Aren't you simply supposed to give them a good hammering along the motorway to clean them out?
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The 2.2 C5's will run an easy 180bhp with the DPF removed and a remap
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I though a long motorway journey cleaned them where as short journeys tend to clog them up? this is because they burn off soot (carbon) into carbon-dioxide. so unless you do a reasonable abount of driving where they get up to temp for a while they will not get or remain clean!
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Jet washing it won't clean it out very well. You need to get it in an industrial oven at a few hundred degrees for a few hours
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Originally Posted by BRIGSPORT
You need to get the ecu remapped to delete the dpf, then remove the dpf itself from the car, knock all the material out, Refitting is reversal of removal.
Have done quite a lot of this recently.
basically what he said ^^^^
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On most cars you need to tell the ecu that you've replaced/ regenned the dpf otherwise its stored that its clogged up.
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The motorway driving works, but only if the revs are at about 5-6k for 30-45mins. A mate works in Peugeot and alls they do is plug the computer in and do a re-gen. Car holds its revs high for a long period of time, usually get sparks pissing out the exhaust like a roman candle firework
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thanks for all the replys guys, ive looked into this abit more and found a very cheap solution as long as you are good with the laptop and have a little understanding on bin files and stuff like that, on the shitroen you can need to buy this cable..
http://www.bavariandominator.co.uk/p...55&p=51082.cfm

Ł35.00 this includes the software for ya laptop!! Then run your file through software that removes all reffrences to the dpf and eloys from the ecu. Once the modded ecu file is done simply write it back the ecu then take the dpf and cat off

or you can take it somewere and let them do it for nearly Ł300 quid..

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Aren't you simply supposed to give them a good hammering along the motorway to clean them out?
ive tryed this and in theory should work as it should trigger the regeneration mode but ya need really hot temps , it never worked for me, if you just want to get rid of the annoying beeps and messages telling you that the antipolluion filter is fucked try this!!

start the shitroen c5 for 5 secs then remove the key and take it away from the car just for a few secs then return and do the same thing 5 times ensuring the key is away from the car, on the 6 time when you restart it resets the ecu and no service lights or anything ,,it works iv tryed it tonight.. shitroen use a lexia scanner to do this..

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Thinking about getting my focus done, but worried about vosa and mot's really, maybe stu or someone from msd can comment on this....as they offer the service.
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Originally Posted by morto
thanks for all the replys guys, ive looked into this abit more and found a very cheap solution as long as you are good with the laptop and have a little understanding on bin files and stuff like that, on the shitroen you can need to buy this cable..
http://www.bavariandominator.co.uk/p...55&p=51082.cfm

Ł35.00 this includes the software for ya laptop!! Then run your file through software that removes all reffrences to the dpf and eloys from the ecu. Once the modded ecu file is done simply write it back the ecu then take the dpf and cat off

or you can take it somewere and let them do it for nearly Ł300 quid..

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Lol, don't try that - trust me it will end in tears. That cable is a chinese clone of something that costs over Ł3k originally, and does not work nearly as well.

Then you have to recalibrate your file to remove the DPF - how are you going to do this? Probably with a cracked copy of ECUSAFE which WON'T work. It will mask the fault codes but still regenerate.

Trust me, spend the money and get it done by a pro.

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Lol, don't try that - trust me it will end in tears. That cable is a chinese clone of something that costs over Ł3k originally, and does not work nearly as well.

Then you have to recalibrate your file to remove the DPF - how are you going to do this? Probably with a cracked copy of ECUSAFE which WON'T work. It will mask the fault codes but still regenerate.

Trust me, spend the money and get it done by a pro.

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Rick this was taken off the Citroen owners club website and loads of lads have done this with no issues at all , you send yr bin file to a lad on ther and he sends it back to you with the dpf file removed, thers also alot of other sensors and things you have to take off the car as well, not for the faint hearted!!
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Thinking about getting my focus done, but worried about vosa and mot's really, maybe stu or someone from msd can comment on this....as they offer the service.
it will have zero effect on the mot and will easily pass emmisions you could take the cat and dpf off a diesel and it will pass emmisions unless the engine is allready fucked in the first place lol
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Those DPF have gotta be one of the worst things invented in recent years IMO!

The thing that makes me laugh is, they are supposed to reduce emissions but when they do fluck up you have to make special journeys on the motorway at high revs or take it to a dealer. Surely that just causes more lol!
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Those DPF have gotta be one of the worst things invented in recent years IMO!

The thing that makes me laugh is, they are supposed to reduce emissions but when they do fluck up you have to make special journeys on the motorway at high revs or take it to a dealer. Surely that just causes more lol!

i agree there an absolute load of rubish!! i was looking on a BMW web site and some one said to replace one of these filters was going to cost over Ł1000 ...
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If you go onto 406oc.co.uk and look for a member called Doggy he should be able to sort you out with a 180bhp defapped remap file!

I drove his 2.2 last year, silly quick for a 180bhp diesel!
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Rick this was taken off the Citroen owners club website and loads of lads have done this with no issues at all , you send yr bin file to a lad on ther and he sends it back to you with the dpf file removed, thers also alot of other sensors and things you have to take off the car as well, not for the faint hearted!!
Remove sensors? Absolutely not necessary at all and he must be recoding the trouble codes out too as the various sensors are NOT only used for DPF calibration. I would guess someone ran into the DPF regen problem after removal and couldnt get round it as they no longer had one to regen so they couldnt reset the fill counters and then started hacking into the trouble code software to try and make the lights go out, LOL... take care out there guys.
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i knew i couldn't have been the only one thinking that stu

i'm not exactly sure how the pdf electronics work, but there will only be on thing telling the ecu it's full up and it needs to regen, so all you would need to do is alter that bit of the program?

basiclly?
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ECU safe removes all the DPF stuff from the MAP. The guys have been doing it on the 406 side of things for years.
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ECU safe removes all the DPF stuff from the MAP. The guys have been doing it on the 406 side of things for years.
We have literally done hundreds, maybe even thousands. you do not, EVER need to remove sensors from the car if the job is done properly and whilst it is quite good for some models, ECU safe doesnt do all models properly at all I assure you. And we have a REGISTERED fully up to date version, not the cracked one on eBay.
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You don't have to remove the sensors. It's just what they do. The pressure sensors are just for the DPF an they are just unplugged.
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Originally Posted by morto
Rick this was taken off the Citroen owners club website and loads of lads have done this with no issues at all , you send yr bin file to a lad on ther and he sends it back to you with the dpf file removed, thers also alot of other sensors and things you have to take off the car as well, not for the faint hearted!!

Exactly what I thought - as Stu points out, no sensor removal needed! You are just masking the fault codes and sensor errors. It is NOT the way to do it!

Things are worse than I thought if the owners clubs - supposedly containing slightly more knowledgeable people - are also botching things.

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had ecu edited and bashed the guts out of the dpf, has passed an mot since done with no issues


Got to say i knew nothing about DPFs, until i bought a car with one, and living in a very built up area, normall crawling in traffic soon caused me constant regens, that i could never do, as allways stuck in traffic
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My BMW says 48k left for the dpf. Do i just let it get to 0 in a few years time or do i remove it now along with the egr. Ive already got an evolutions map on it so i know Chip can just ammend the map and then i get the dpf cut out. Whats the best options do we reckon?
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thought these had the anti pollution fluid on the side of the tank like the pugs?
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Originally Posted by Bailes1992
If you go onto 406oc.co.uk and look for a member called Doggy he should be able to sort you out with a 180bhp defapped remap file!

I drove his 2.2 last year, silly quick for a 180bhp diesel!
thanks mate here is the link the guy says hes done 4000 miles now with no issues, for me it comes down to the fact that my shitroen just is not worth much so wont be spending silly amounts of money on it , this option is worth a try!!

Andy

http://www.406oc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=12487
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
We have literally done hundreds, maybe even thousands. you do not, EVER need to remove sensors from the car if the job is done properly and whilst it is quite good for some models, ECU safe doesnt do all models properly at all I assure you. And we have a REGISTERED fully up to date version, not the cracked one on eBay.
Can this be done whit a bluefin map on Kuga??
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Can this be done whit a bluefin map on Kuga??
No idea mate, maybe give superchips a call and ask them.
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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
No idea mate, maybe give superchips a call and ask them.
Ok, i will do that. Just waiting for my bluefin to pop up in my post.
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just a quick update on this this guys! car has no cat and no particulate filter , my mechanic puts his own map for no DPF filter and uses mpps to download the new file to the ecu, car starts , we use Auto com pro scanner with realtime on laptop and go for a spin , we find very slight leak in bottom of intercooler and Maf not working correctly, i go to scrapyard and get a intercooler and buy new genuine Maf, put them in car and go for spin !! hey presto car shows no limp home mode and is very quick !! turbo spining up lovely and iv never felt so much power from this 2.2 HDI absolutly no turbo lag thru out the gears just as VV should be , i have to say for a 2002 c5 with 160000 on the clock this engine runs like new torque range is very good , iv learnt alot from this !! we also had Lexia proper shitroen scanner but found the Auto com better to work with! all sensors remain were they should be on the car,

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Originally Posted by Stu @ M Developments
We have literally done hundreds, maybe even thousands. you do not, EVER need to remove sensors from the car if the job is done properly and whilst it is quite good for some models, ECU safe doesnt do all models properly at all I assure you. And we have a REGISTERED fully up to date version, not the cracked one on eBay.
Is it illegal do remove the dpf stu? Just a garage local to me has just starting using yours chips and removing them.....

Really like to get mine done but worried I'll be arrested or sumert /
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why not just let it regen itself?
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Is it illegal do remove the dpf stu? Just a garage local to me has just starting using yours chips and removing them.....

Really like to get mine done but worried I'll be arrested or sumert /
Nope only needed foot manufacturing emissions. Mots fine with out it.
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Nope only needed foot manufacturing emissions. Mots fine with out it.

not if your remove it if its the new cat and dpf all fitted in the same box its not as the cat has to be present now for mot
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Originally Posted by mechanic28
why not just let it regen itself?
Fine if you have access to dual carrage ways that's are empty and do long runs.


I pretty much only ever did short runs and the light came on whilst stuck in traffic.

And if you went home switched off, planning to go it for a pointless run in the evening when no traffic, that was no good as the light would have gone off so not in regen mode. Then Two or so days later sitting in traffic on the way to work the cunting dpf light would cone back on.

Well that's the issues I had!
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