jamesXXX

i had an evo 5 before the cossy, it was an awesome car, ran 315 bhp, handled like it was on rails, looked great, but sounded like a fookin nissan micra on tick over!!

dont know what it is about the cossy, just coudnt have anything else now

Gra

I always wanted a cossie, and drive karen mad now cosi still want another one, my cos was mega reliable as stage 1 driving to london and back day in day out, but I just cannot justify the repair costs shoudl summit go wrong or get karen to bleive me when i say wont mod it past stage1

I can afford an Esc cos, thats not a prob, and asits a dream car thats but in relaity i cant justify the costs of insurance/parking etc plus wouldnt want to put the motorway miles on it etc is a shame as i always thought the only thing stopping me getting one would be me unable to afford it, which is not the case

smudgerz

Rick, what you say is true mate! I use my stage 1 cossie every day, rain or shine. It has cost me a few ( ) quid to keep on the road but i just love driving it. Did toy with a scooby, my mates got a 2 door one, goes very well!! just coudnt bring my self to sell my cossie, well not till it brakes again!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rick

I know - do u think Ford would really release a car that wouldnt even get u to work on time!

frog

I'd buy two if they did

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Azrael

Rick maybe I just drop you my car with couple of quid and you make it as reliable as yours? What do you think?

Fagin

I think they do look the bolloxs to be honest..... more a kin to the aggresive looks of the Escort Cossie. But it's all down to personal choice again though.

Even if I am a bit biased....





I have also made the fatal mistake of now looking at an engine rebuild (I know I said I wouldnt), to go along with the handling mods. Fortunately I am in a better position with the Subaru (with all my contacts) to perhaps get something together that would be competitive at TOTB (well certainly amongst the Scooby crew). Which is something I always wanted to do in the Ford, but never had the drive or the remortgage to do it!

Fingers crossed and watch this space!

RaVeR

one thing you can't beat on them scoobys is that boxer 4 sound

I only really like old skool jap like ya corollas and civics

EscortWRC

I guess I'm in the minority, but I think they sound really FLAT

plynchy

If the scooby wasn't quick it wouldn't sell....cos DAMN,they ugly!

big_wig_074

i think scoobies sound horific,like a washing machine thats about to blow up! and fagins pics really dont do it for me,to me it looks cack too! always loved cossies since i was young and always will,want one sooooo bad again at the mo! oh,and the mrs would kill me if i ever even mentioned a scoob!good girl she keeps me in line! BUT i can see why people want them,pretty quick without the same shit as a cossie breakdown wise,and all weather capability(my main gripe with my old saff was that with 418 bhp i got to play about once a month if that cos of breakages and weather,rain = slowest car in the world!)

EscortWRC

You guys must get different hardware on Scoobys than we do over here. Their engines are VERY sensitive to MAF sensor being clean, and their transmissions make the ones in my Mazda rally car look stone-reliable by comparison.

Azrael

Mazda 323 GT-R transmission is THE WORST one :-( Even Scoobie 5MT gearbox isn't that bad. But of course it much worse then modern nes - 6MT (New Age STI) is the one to have - I now what I am saying, I've driven mopst Scoobies avalible here.

Fagin

EscortWRC,

Subaru modifications and tuning have come an incredible long way in the past 24 months. The standard 6sp box in the STi's is reputed as being the strongest standard box yet.

A REAL reliable 350bhp in a STi (yes... and the UK ones as well) is now a de-cat exhaust, induction kit, 3 port boost solenoid and remap away nowadays (which is cheap and no where near the £5-£6k quoted previously). Quite a number of the UK STi's (latest shape) are still standard (260bhp or 305bhp with the Official Prodrive Performance Pack) as many of the owners are still under the warrantys.

Having 350bhp in one of these make for an extremely rapid car, let alone the 400+BHP ones. I personally think it would be rude not to have 400+bhp in one of these cars!

RichardPON

400bhp Shaun, and lock it up in the garage

plynchy

They could have 8,000,000 BHP,still be bloody ugly.
Gotta admit they do sound nice tho.

EscortWRC

When they first brought the WRX over here, Subaru USA was changing transmissions at EVERY service.

Recommended life was 100 stage miles....and this was the Prodrive stuff

They had the same problem for 3 years in a row.....that's FANTASTIC quality control, but absolutely SHITTY engineering.

Mark V8

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They sound like a badly tuned VW beetle with a blowing exhaust.

Ugly, sound shite and cost more to tune than a cossie.

Probably a better "standard" car though due to being newer

I would not buy one unless I felt the need to make an impression down the "Blue Oyster Bar" :gayflag:

Mark

Azrael

In USA sitck-shift ability isn't very popular


Cossie 4x4 gearbox is I think 500 stage km. Is that such a big difference?


Friend of mine used to have WRX when it was first brought to USA he bought it and I don;'t remember him having any transmission fproblem even tough his car was really tashed on the track. Different story with all the stright line boys who broke tramissions all the time.

bigpower

If i was gunna be swayed from an escort cos, then it probably would be the Evo6 Tommi Mac?? Just sumat about them....

anyway the hunt goes on..............WANTED MINT LOW MILE ESCORT COS BIG T!!! nice drink in it for someone who passes on a lead which equals a sale!

Mike Rainbird

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Bigpower,
I know of a mint red one - 57k miles, Rondells, stage 1, Konis and s/s exhaust. Send me an email, so I can reply with pictures. Mines a J20 .

moonstone mike

my p1 sounds fantastic on full boost and i love the looks



But i could not be without either of them they are both fantastic
ONLY BAD THING IS INSURANCE FOR THEM BOTH




BRING ON THE SUMMER

marco polo

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NathR

Proper mint looked after example that one. If Danny was selling a couple of month's earlier then I would've more than likely, without a doubt ended up with it.

xr2i-carl

SCOOBYS ARE LIEK NOVAS AND AUDI TT TOOO FCUKIN COMMOM cossies look hard and manly scooby looks like a gay 17 yr olds car who has no taste

thats why evo and scoobys are cheap 2nd hand they dont hold there money

cossies do because there is only 1 rs500 and escort and saf etc they make new flippin evo every month near enuff

I WOULD CHOOSE COSSIE OVER JAP ANY DAY

moonstone mike

Never bought the P1 as a fashion statement or an investment !!! i bought it because they are fantastic cars to drive.

xr2i-carl

look in the pic the 3door looks so much better than the scooby!

when i see a scooby i just think person bought it cuz its quickish

when you see some1 in a cossie its like BIG UP me main man got propa car and they get the respect and you know they bought it not just because it quick but beacuse of the whole package

they look ten times better and the interiors of cossies are ten times better etc!!

plynchy

Now,that shape,P1,22B etc is much more appealing. 22B's are very impressive. I just think they REALLY screwed the looks up with the newer model.

xr2i-carl

i even think they look ugly just dosent look nice at all

moonstone mike

carl each to there own mate ,but have you drove a P1 ??????

my 3 door is fantstic but i can just throw my p1 into a corner on full throttle , if i done that in my 3 door i would be shreding the tyres to bits

As for people looking i get the same amount of looks in both cars !!!!!!!

But as i said each to there own

xr2i-carl

yeah ure right it is but an esco cos will go round corners as well as a p1! three isnt going to, altho i rekon round track the cos would be better?

what do u think mike?

xr2i-carl

i drove a p1 hundred LOL which wasnt very quick didnt handle either,

xr2i-carl

how the fcuk can you afford to buy/run both of these cars? let alone the insurance, i can only imagine your are of the older type of rs owner!! LOL

moonstone mike

cheeky fooker! well i like to think im young!! is 31 young??
i might be 31 but i feel like im 18

At the moment they are both in the garage waiting for summer although the are both taxed and insured just so i can take them out on cold sunny days i drive my astra van everyday.

BRING ON THE SUMMER AND LET THE TRACK DAYS BEGIN

plynchy

See,age isn't always a bad thing.

Fagin

Stop talking out of your arse!!!

And that was from someone who has owned 2 Escort Cossies before!

I can stand people saying the looks are terrible, they lose more money than anything ever, too common etc etc but when they say the Escort etc etc is a better car around corners!!! They need one of these around there heads!

For as many people that love Cossies I can show you as many people that hate them!

IT'S HORSES FOR COURSES!!!

I love em both..... but at times you have to be slightly realistic dont you!

Ask yourself this though....

Why don't Ford produce anything like the Impreza now?

Perhaps because they know they won't actually be able to sell enough of them because there image is way to diluted now (and thus not return a profit). I think we should all give people like Subaru, Mitsi etc etc a round of applause for having the nads to produce a mass produced production car of this ilk.

Pound for pound the Scooby and Mitsi are the best A to B cars of there time. And I think we all know that is fact, whether we like them or not.

churchy

I'm sure that if Ford brought out a Mondeo/Focus RS Cosworth, they would be snapped up quicker than any Scooby, and would still be worth more than a packet of fags after a couple of years.

Azrael

Because somebody @ marketing department think C-max will sell better...and they are probably right. Performance car are GONE. Or almost gon.e Homologation specials are DEAD for years already and some people just can't understand that. There won't be cars like COssies, early Scoobies, Maazda GT-R, Nissan GTiR, Audi S1 or Lancia HF Integrale. This is a breed that has died out and we have last remnants of it - museum pieces on wheels. One of the reasons why I get mad when I see posts "Cossie braking, RS500 braking, Saphy braking" ehhh... sorry - just got a little nervous.

I don't understand this UK based Jap Vs. Ford battle :-/ They are 4x4 turbocharged homologation specials and people schould keep tougether agains rstrictions, police, MOT or whetever that threatens this last remnats to disapear from roads and stages.

Maybe it would be much better for whoole motoring road if time and effort spend on taslking shit at each other with jap people some people would spend their time trying to press Ford not to discontiniue vital parts for our cars....

RichardPON

Well the Focus RS sold well enough.

Agree about makin a profit though - I wonder how much Ford lost on each FRS sold.............