Hi all,

I know this has been covered in the past but with the recent MOT changes I'm after some upto date clarification please.

My mk1 focus is due for its MOT soon but the front passenger door has decided not to lock and unlock with the central locking. It locks and unlocks manually from in the car, both internal and external handles work and the door shuts securely. The wording for the front doors I have found is

"Both front doors must be openable from the inside and outside and all doors must latch securely."

Pass or Fail?

Now to me this means my focus will pass on this lock issue or have I missed something?


Thanks in advance.

Phil

 

Doors don't need to lock or unlock they just need to be able to br opened from the inside and outside on the front doors

 

Brilliant, I don't need to make that fix a priority then.

Cheers

 

The passenger front door opening from inside and out has always been a testable item

It is rear doors that have now been added to the MOT

Note:- A vehicle where the tailgate is or can be used for access to the rear seats then this is also a testable item

The VOSA official I recently had the pleasure of a 2 day refresher course with stated to those on the course that "if a vehicle has central locking that clearly does not works on 1 (or more) door but otherwise operates correctly then this is a FAIL under the new regs"

 

The rear has always been a testable item!

It is rear doors that have now been added to the MOT

 

Never said it wasnt ?

Yeah I know thats what I said

 

Just to clarify

Rear = Tailgate or rear loading door on a passenger carrying vehicle

Rears = Passenger nearside and/or offside rear

Also it has never been part of the MOT to test the opening and closing of the Passenger rears they were only added in Jan 2012

 

Shit!

Looks like i'll be going down the scrappy this weekend then.

Cheers Dave.

 

No you are ok and have misunderstood, the doors must close securely and open, whether it locks or not isn't applicable!

Martin

 

So it doesn't matter if you can lock your doors? As the locking of doors is more of security than safety?

 

also if the outer door handle doesnt open the door, but interior door handle does, then just leave the windows open so the they can reach in and open thedoor the from the outside.

ive done that before lol

 

also thats how many cobra replicas and kit cars get through IVA and subsequent MoT having only internal door handles.

 

Has to open from the relevant handle

 

I presume these kit's etc don't have side windows in the doors, making the handle inside the relevant control

 

correct. or you just turn up to IVA/MOT without weather gear fitted and they cant do fuck all about it

 

If thats how the car is built then there is nothing for them to "do fuck all about anyway"

 

If N/S door works as you described (ie opens from inside and out using the "factory" door handles) and everything else on car is fine then personally I would pass and advise regarding CD Locking - where it becomes a problem is if a car cannot be opened when CDL fails and dead locks any door (if that makes sense !)

 

I've disconnected a motor on the back door of my focus as it would intermittantly not unlock, and then wouldn't release the dead locking.

if the motor doesn't unlock it, just manuallu unlock it prior to the test

 

Ah, clarification. Thank you all, I can rest easy now as its the motor that has failed, the door can be locked and unlocked manually from inside the car and when unlocked can be opened from inside and outside the car without the need to open the window

I've got a month before she runs out of test and got to do a service and check over at the weekend then book her in so will try to replace the lock before the test anyway to be on the safe side...not to mention its a pain in the arse!

Cheers All.

 

Rear passenger doors have always been a tested item and it hasn't just came in in January, a rear door must be able to be opened from either the inside or the outside and a front door has to be able to be opend from both inside AND outside. If a tailgate doesn't open weather it be able to be used as a passenger access or not if it doesn't open it's a fail and a reason to abort the test same as a bonnet not opening

QUOTE=RS2000CUSTOM;5798497]Just to clarify

Rear = Tailgate or rear loading door on a passenger carrying vehicle

Rears = Passenger nearside and/or offside rear

Also it has never been part of the MOT to test the opening and closing of the Passenger rears they were only added in Jan 2012[/QUOTE]

 

Sorry to say your wrong mate

Nearside and Offside rear passenger doors opening and closing have not previously been a testable item ever since I started testing in 1989

Have never said it WASN'T !

 

Heres the wording in the 09/11 Special Notice advising testers of the changes to take place in 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Special Notice 09/11

New RfR for any passenger door unable to be opened from outside the vehicle using the relevant control.

The above is taken from here - http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...ce%2009-11.pdf

 

last year a car comes into your station , both rear doors are hanging open , and wont stay closed

pass or fail ????????????

 

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_620.htm

 

Please do not confuse yourself with the "Operation" of a component ie will it open and close, with the testable "Security" of a component

Please show me the Pre 2012 fail criteria for a rear o/s or n/s passenger door that does not open or close - you wont be able to it does NOT exist

The only applicable fail criteria pre 2012 would "in your case of 2 hanging doors" be the security of any part of the body or its associated fixings that are likely to cause harm or are a danger to other road users

 

Sorry to hi jack this but where would I stand if I took my car for an mot without a boot lock fitted you can still open and close it by sticking your finger in the hole and pushing the lever, it's a mk1 escort would it pass or fail cheers

 

you havent answered the question dave , pass or fail ?

you should know if you've been testing since 1989



method of inspection , doors , 1 c

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_620.htm

rear door have always been part of the test and only required to open from the outside

front doors req'd to open inside and out

all pre 2012 off course

 

it would pass , as you can open it and it can be secured in the closed position

 

Thanks mate, I can't find one anywhere and almost ready for mot at least I can stick it in for one without the lock now

 

By hanging I take it you mean damaged and swinging loose and not secured in anyway other than the hinges !

Then I would (pre 2012) fail under the criteria of body security but remove doors completely and it would have to be passed

Note :- the link to the testers manual if you scroll down it has an issue date of 01 jan 2012

 

right then , and without splitting any hairs

dec 2011 , a 5 door hatch comes in to you for mot and o/s/r + n/s/r doors dont open

PASS OR FAIL ?

also regarding link to testers manual , obviously it will say jan 2012 as they were updated then , but you will know this anyway

 

Pass and advise that rear doors do not open

 

how did you inspect rear seat belts operation and security , rear seat and seat belt mounting points , o/s + n/s/r inner sills and all other prescribed areas accessed when rear doors are open ?

these are some of the reasons rear doors NEED to open to perform an mot test in accordance with the testers manual

checking all doors , bonnet and boot can be opened are part of pre-checks to be
performed before logging a vehicle on for test

 

If a vehicle is presented in such a way that I an unable to carry out a satisfactory and meaningful test then I would abort the test but if I was able to complete all required test criteria then as stated i would pass and advise

 

How can you pass an advise on something which is a clear fail the door needs to be opened to check for the likes of corrosion to a prescribed area

 

A car is presented with 3 out of 4 wheel nuts missing on one wheel but the wheel trim covers the nuts so I can't see there are 3 missing

I pass it

Same scenario - I can't see they missing or get to the nuts to see if they there but I have a fail criteria listed for it

I stick by my "opinion" that pre 2012 there was NOT a fail criteria for the opening and closing of rear passenger doors and as with ALL MOT's it is the opinion of the tester concerned at time of test

 

dave , i have two words mate


REFRESHER COURSE !


ffs , i thought it could'nt get any worse than pass and advise

 

mots are about rules , regulations , measurements and standards not opinions

your only making it worse btw lol


you are however correct about the wheel nut as your are not allowed to remove or dismantle in anyway , but you cant apply that to the door thing

 

As we were talking about a pre 2012 scenario then no need for a refresher it is history and has now been updated therefore the refresher course I took in jan 2012 will suffice for the next 5 years unless the Secretary of State changes their minds on any items

 

A wheel trim on a wheel has nowt to do with this obviously you wouldn't remove it to have a look that's just being silly. You would however open a door to check it's accessibility and for corrosion with in a prescribed area. Your some mot tester like. Think you've been doing it too long and are obviously going a bit dittery.