Cheap track day toys
16-01-2012, 05:26 PM
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Clio all day long........... too many to choose from Ł1500 will see you in a good one with tax and test.
Only other option out of the box is a 306 GTI 6 in my opinion - when I tracked my 172 a 306 was the only car that beat me significantly enough to make me think it was worth while but they're rare and long in the tooth now.
Only other option out of the box is a 306 GTI 6 in my opinion - when I tracked my 172 a 306 was the only car that beat me significantly enough to make me think it was worth while but they're rare and long in the tooth now.
16-01-2012, 05:32 PM
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firstly don't believe everything you read on the net.
a 306 rallye will be better than the first 3 on chips list so please ignore his comment lol i think he's got his clio blinkers on!
if you can't find a rallye try a gti6 perfect cheap track toy, then vts or if you can up your budget a dc2 teg. a clio should be lower down the search list, ffs a 205 gti is better than a clio lol
16-01-2012, 05:49 PM
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E36 325 would be my bargain bin choice cheap as chips to buy these days and a hoot to drive on track too, stripped out pretty quick machine as well 
also it would be different enough to warrant keeping even when the RST is finished
also it would be different enough to warrant keeping even when the RST is finished
16-01-2012, 06:25 PM
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Pretty heavy so hard on consumables like tyres and brakes and suspenson components
Really rare so normally means parts are rare and expensive.
Complicated and Turbo charged means lots to go wrong.
its old now... normally means lots of tired bits
Wasnt much good as track car even when new
SOOOO..... to summarise, you would have to try VERY hard to find a worse car for the job
16-01-2012, 06:27 PM
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A stripped and well driven one was more than a match for my pretty highly developed 172 at Donno in November. Went well!
16-01-2012, 06:29 PM
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Currently still waiting for the arrival of (but already ordered):
New Helix uprated organic clutch
Forged Pistons/ Steel Rods
ARP head bolts
Bare block has gone off to machine shop but is waiting for the pistons before it can be finished.
Phase 1 head has gone to Neil Roper for inspection of valve guides etc and to do any work required.
Mike is going to remake the existing looms rather than order new as he thinks he can salvage it into something less likely to catch fire than it is currently without needing to completely replace.
Cam cover has gone off for sand blasting and powder coating, other engine parts have been vapour blasted to clean them up.
Cams STILL "coming soon"
(will order different if no news when Mike goes to collect the pistons and rods which are meant to be in tomorrow)
Valves the only uprated ones readily available (ie not a 3-6 months wait like from G&s) are supertech, im still trying to find out if they are one or two piece though, ktec either dont know or wont say, and supertech im still waiting on details of.
If they are two piece, there is no point going for them instead of the renault ones as the temps involved wont melt the renault ones so the only risk is head depature from stem, and that will be a risk on any 2 piece anyway so pointless paying extra if the others are 2 piece too.
Im of the opinion the standard ones should be fine if new though given the lack of extreme nature of the build (ie its going to be mapped a touch rich to keep it safe and its not going to be on a mega high rev limiter either, probably 7600rpm), will talk to you about that more once I have more info though.
Other than the cams and valves it all seems to be going pretty much according to plan so far for it to start going back together next week, then the week after we'll run it and then remap it, and it should hopefully be back to you comfortably before the bedford RS day.
New Helix uprated organic clutch
Forged Pistons/ Steel Rods
ARP head bolts
Bare block has gone off to machine shop but is waiting for the pistons before it can be finished.
Phase 1 head has gone to Neil Roper for inspection of valve guides etc and to do any work required.
Mike is going to remake the existing looms rather than order new as he thinks he can salvage it into something less likely to catch fire than it is currently without needing to completely replace.
Cam cover has gone off for sand blasting and powder coating, other engine parts have been vapour blasted to clean them up.
Cams STILL "coming soon"
(will order different if no news when Mike goes to collect the pistons and rods which are meant to be in tomorrow)
Valves the only uprated ones readily available (ie not a 3-6 months wait like from G&s) are supertech, im still trying to find out if they are one or two piece though, ktec either dont know or wont say, and supertech im still waiting on details of.
If they are two piece, there is no point going for them instead of the renault ones as the temps involved wont melt the renault ones so the only risk is head depature from stem, and that will be a risk on any 2 piece anyway so pointless paying extra if the others are 2 piece too.
Im of the opinion the standard ones should be fine if new though given the lack of extreme nature of the build (ie its going to be mapped a touch rich to keep it safe and its not going to be on a mega high rev limiter either, probably 7600rpm), will talk to you about that more once I have more info though.
Other than the cams and valves it all seems to be going pretty much according to plan so far for it to start going back together next week, then the week after we'll run it and then remap it, and it should hopefully be back to you comfortably before the bedford RS day.
No one does budget trackcars like I do
Thanks again!
16-01-2012, 07:49 PM
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16-01-2012, 08:55 PM
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firstly don't believe everything you read on the net.
a 306 rallye will be better than the first 3 on chips list so please ignore his comment lol i think he's got his clio blinkers on!
if you can't find a rallye try a gti6 perfect cheap track toy, then vts or if you can up your budget a dc2 teg. a clio should be lower down the search list, ffs a 205 gti is better than a clio lol
a 306 rallye will be better than the first 3 on chips list so please ignore his comment lol i think he's got his clio blinkers on!
if you can't find a rallye try a gti6 perfect cheap track toy, then vts or if you can up your budget a dc2 teg. a clio should be lower down the search list, ffs a 205 gti is better than a clio lol
Take the pug blinkers off mate.
I've had all 3 - 2 of them as track cars and would put 306 first, 172 second and 205 last. I couldn't get on with the 205 on track. The alternative to a 306 would be a Zsara VTS which is the same car but look wank.
At the budget end of the track day there is simply no better than a 172, cheap, relibable and readily available.
The same can not be said of the others.
16-01-2012, 09:01 PM
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Id say my evo 4 although would be way more expensive to run and repair and prob a lot less fun than the likes of a clio..............cant get rid o the bloody thing lol.
16-01-2012, 09:03 PM
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Can I chuck a vote in favour of an Escort RS2000 16v, mine is a hoot to drive, would love to chuck some mondeo brakes on it, and hit the track....
16-01-2012, 09:20 PM
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16-01-2012, 09:49 PM
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Works and plays on track
17-01-2012, 08:55 AM
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firstly don't believe everything you read on the net.
a 306 rallye will be better than the first 3 on chips list so please ignore his comment lol i think he's got his clio blinkers on!
if you can't find a rallye try a gti6 perfect cheap track toy, then vts or if you can up your budget a dc2 teg. a clio should be lower down the search list, ffs a 205 gti is better than a clio lol
a 306 rallye will be better than the first 3 on chips list so please ignore his comment lol i think he's got his clio blinkers on!
if you can't find a rallye try a gti6 perfect cheap track toy, then vts or if you can up your budget a dc2 teg. a clio should be lower down the search list, ffs a 205 gti is better than a clio lol
Here is my teg for example:
Ive not got any blinkers on at all, im not into one specific type of car, but the fact remains the clio is a great option, and very easy to get bits for too, dc2 teg is fortunes to get a spare engine for, and a 205 is a ropey old rusty car at the price range we are talking about here ie 1500 quid, and also massively underpowered unless its been Mi'd already.
306 I personally just dont really think a lot of, they feel old without being retro, and they handle well but not on a par with a clio IMHO, also the drivers doors do have a bit of a habbit of catching fire randomly which can be annoying.
17-01-2012, 09:29 AM
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mk5 rs2000 is actually quite a good track hack, night on bullet proff aswell.
become rare though.
206 gti 180s are getting cheap, but mine was fragile.
for the money and moderness you ent going quicker than a clio
there easy to drive aswell, which is worth noting.
become rare though.
206 gti 180s are getting cheap, but mine was fragile.
for the money and moderness you ent going quicker than a clio
there easy to drive aswell, which is worth noting.
17-01-2012, 09:34 AM
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i bet over a lap in my Mondeo up against a Clio 172 id be quicker, i know i would be quicker
anyone up for a challenge?
17-01-2012, 09:35 AM
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If you get a clio track car, I garuntee you that you're going to hate driving your RST. Something like a Clio will highlight all the reasons RSTs are so shite to drive
17-01-2012, 09:36 AM
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I only drive quick on the straights though, I never try and brake hard or corner hard
That's my mk1 clio im normally at rs combe in, but I'll borrow our 172 back off the mrs for the day to race you
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17-01-2012, 09:41 AM
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Ok mate.
I'll make sure I have the camera running in my "straight line only" clio 172 as this awesome mondeo latebrakes me into a bend and dissapears off leaving me for dust, it should be some pretty dramatic footage showing just how awesome his driving and mondeo are compared to my total lack of skills and rubbishy clio
I'll make sure I have the camera running in my "straight line only" clio 172 as this awesome mondeo latebrakes me into a bend and dissapears off leaving me for dust, it should be some pretty dramatic footage showing just how awesome his driving and mondeo are compared to my total lack of skills and rubbishy clio
17-01-2012, 09:45 AM
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Ok mate.
I'll make sure I have the camera running in my "straight line only" clio 172 as this awesome mondeo latebrakes me into a bend and dissapears off leaving me for dust, it should be some pretty dramatic footage showing just how awesome his driving and mondeo are compared to my total lack of skills and rubbishy clio
I'll make sure I have the camera running in my "straight line only" clio 172 as this awesome mondeo latebrakes me into a bend and dissapears off leaving me for dust, it should be some pretty dramatic footage showing just how awesome his driving and mondeo are compared to my total lack of skills and rubbishy clio
Although, I will properly piss myself if he shows up in a Prodrive prepped ex-touring car
