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Ford unveils 1.0-litre three-cylinder unit with a turbocharger and direct injection

by Richard Hammond, Daily Mirror 18/11/2011







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FORD has just unveiled a new petrol engine which is the smallest it currently makes.
The motor is a 1.0-litre three-cylinder unit with a turbocharger and direct injection. The new engine, which produces 125bhp, will be fitted to the Focus early next year (and C-Max models).
Ford is talking about fuel consumption of 56.5mpg and emissions of 114g/km which is pretty low for a Focus-sized car with a petrol engine.
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It’ll be interesting to see how it performs in the real world. Fiat’s TwinAir engine was meant to be incredibly economical but has been a disappointment.




Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/advice/motor...#ixzz1eToh0ZEz

Rsmat

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Like the sound of this... Let's see who can get 200bhp first out of it..lol.

B19 JUB

i heard about this a while back from a bod at dunton.125bhp for a 1 litre engine doesnt sound shabby at all.nice pokey engine no doubt with cheap tax

12340987

Itl sound like a football referees whistle on full chat

clarke5700

Its a cambelt driven engine but the belt is subjected to a feed of oil like a timing chain :0 i wonder how well the belt will hold up in oil? It also has a 2stage oil pump.

NoRubNoDub

why is that?

would be cool if it was for the fiesta or ka.

Glenn_

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125 bhp out of a 1ltr. Thats good if you ask me.I used to have a 2ltr twin cam with only 125bhp.

I think if the engine is in a big heavy focus it might struggle.

It's Czech Mate

These type of engines are the future. Especially combined with hybrid power.

gjh

1.0 in somethong the size of a focus? Hope it works, and sorry to sound thick, but whats direct injection?

Maxwell

As the turbo is directly bolted to the head....wait until a turbo shites itself and the insides end up wrecking the whole engine!!!

It's Czech Mate

That can happen where ever its bolted :s

Keith Michaels PLC

Seems like a good idea in theory, whether or not it holds up to the hype is another matter

Fiesta_Jed

Whats direct injection?

I read that all new engines will be turbocharged because of emissions.

Rod-Tarry

Why would they do that it will sound like a swarm of wasps as it is .

Maxwell

You think im daft??? I know that...but an exhaust manifold would restrict the amount of shite going into the engine. Having no manifold is a weight saving thing.

zetec-Sam

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The 2ltr zetecs are only 130bhp. And why would it? It's got 125 bhp and the same torque, it won't struggle.

COCHYN

That's bloody awesome, I bet it probably performs like a 1.7 16v Puma engine of similar BHP. Cracking MPG too! I'd have one as a daily runner

Chip

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To those asking about direct injection, it just means its injected straight into the combustion chamber, because the fuel doesnt get a chance to drop out onto the manifold it means that you can get away with running leaner and still make useable power, so its god for fuel efficiency.


Looks like a cool engine for the next generation of KA or similar, but I should think it will feel quite underpowered in a focus, but then its not meant as a powerhouse in the first place of course!

I wonder if a 1.33 4 cylinder variant will come along soon, like toyota did with the 1.0 and 1.33 N/A petrol engines in the aygo and yaris.

James @ M Developments.

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may be pretty unlikely anything is going to enter the engine from the exhauat side though.

Chip

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Cars are made to be disposable these days in the eyes of the manufacturers, if it lasts 150K miles on the original turbo, they will be quite happy to see the car scrapped after that.

They only care about residuals for the first 5 years or so IMHO (ie long enough to see the finance off)

Cars are no longer built to be maintained, they are built not to need maintainance for an acceptable period and then after that its tough titties.

James @ M Developments.

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The direct injection idea relates to making the engine more efficient,
in a normal petrol engine a massive amount of heat is transfered onto the cylinder walls, By injecting into a pocketed piston, similar to the diesels, the conbustion is much more efficient and it massivly cuts the losses

they also run very very lean, around 30:1 in some cases, the VWs have been doing this for quite a while, its pretty amazing stuff really.

It's Czech Mate

Sorry that makes no sense to me? The flow will be from the turbo, through the INLET manifold into engine

Now I dont know what manifolds are there or not but seeing as inlet manifolds are meant to FLOW with minimal resistance i'd say where the turbo is bolted will make fuck all difference to potential engine damage if the turbo shits its guts out whether theres an inlet manifold or not

And yeah if you think the flow from a turbo goes into the ehaust manifold and into the engine then yup I think you're daft

Mark V8

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Worth a read...

http://www.theengineer.co.uk/in-dept...010742.article

Looks like the same engine with an electric supercharger for torque and anti lag

Chip

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Electric superchargers (proper ones not ebay shite with computer fans in) are a really interesting technology IMHO.

wilky

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i had a look at this at dunton awile ago think they called it the fox engine ,i liked it something different

bishbashbosh

I read about this the other day too and personally think it will be ok, the claimed mpg figures may be a bit optomistic because I get the impression you might have to rev the bollocks out of it to get it to shift at a decent pace, having said that its not meant as a track weapon its directed at people wanting a decent sized car with low running costs.

All in all I personally think it will be a good little engine.

Keith Michaels PLC

I make you right on that!

Think there will be a lot of these about in the next couple of years!

RichieST

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Sounds like a great idea, just hope it works. My mum and dad have just bought a new Octavia, it's a huge heavy car and it's got a 1.4 turbo engine. Only has a couple of hundred miles on the clock and is returning 48mpg, that can only get better with a few more miles on it.

nthorpey

There is a manifold, just not a seperate one. not everything is down to weight

vaughant

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Ahh the fox engine.
Where I used to work in ford plant swansea we were making flywheels,cams and con-rods for these back in 2009,but it was chicken feed really,Bridgend got all the big orders,I believe they make it all there now as my old plant is long gone.
I'd imagine if it's a ford motor it'll be alright.
Chips bang on about lifespans of cars,the original design life of a Ka was 10years which having the bombproof 1.3 tap tap motor and basically 40/50year old technology was a little conservative.
Of course the same attention wasn't being paid to the bodywork/rustproofing.
Cars are always lifed to make you buy new again and again.
If you look at a lot of 90's cars,or 80's beemers and mercs they seemed to have got to a level where they pretty much didnt/don't go wrong,not majorly.
I saw a 190merc the other week with 400000 miles on the original running gear,seen cavaliers on 300000 but I doubt there'll be these figures on new corsa's etc,a chap in works had the headgasket done about 5 times on his 2010 Corsa 1.2 16v,utter shite.
The old 1.2 Corsa/novas went on for ever,fiestas even longer (apart from tin worm!!).

I believe the technology is out there to literally build a car that will last forever needing only routine servicing,but it will never happen,it's like the never-ending light bulb.after you've sold them,there's not much point making anymore!!!

I'll say in all my time working for ford their strategy with mechanical particularly was to over engineer everything,why use one bolt when 12 will be better?
They do use the best machinery out there and had some really clever boffins,most of the issues are that they sell so much product that very often things do slip through the net," that'll be ok" was a very common saying,when often it wasn't.

I'd love to see what goes on in a Citroën/alfa Romeo factory,now that must be lax!!!!

focusv8

No, Ford have been working on these for years.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...-engine-family

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bishbashbosh

Vaughnt I agree with what your saying apart from the Citroen bit, I worked as a salesman for Citroen for nearly 2 years and they aint as bad as they used to be, some of the technology they use would suprise you.

Iirc the Ford TDCI and Peugeot/Citroen HDI engine are the same/very very similar units, I have seen old shape Citroen C5s, Xsara Picassos and Citroen ZX with over 300k on them and only had routine servicing.

Im with you on the Alfa Romeo bit though lol!

vaughant

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Fair play,I think generally the oily bits are great on frenchies,particularly the dervs,after all it's the same motor as the pug as well and there's millions of them left out there,it's just the little things they tend to do badly like connectors,tightening down trim etc.

Alfa,well,their just scarily bad!!!

I think the new ones are ok,but Christ anything before about 2007 is diabolical build quality!!!!

Chris69

Great link really interesting read.

bishbashbosh

Yep Alfas are terrible and so are the pre 2007 Citroens, my ex mrs has just got rid of a 2006 C4 Coupe for a Focus TDCI, the C4 was missing the glovebox lid (1st one was warranty but 2nd was tough shit), 1 foglight (It just fell out 1 day) , rear light bulbs blew about 4 times (she had it 2 years), all the dash kept changing itself to French so in the end she just left it in French and the remote key would only work in warm weather lol.

JamesH

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I think you mean stratified running, and if this is the engine I'm thinking of, I'm pretty sure doesn't run stratified, however does run what most would consider lean for on boost. I've seen stratified running at Lambda 5!

Chip

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5!

Wow, that really is epically lean!

I wouldnt even be able to get any of my cars to manage to idle that lean, let alone take load!

JamesH

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Yeah it's quite mad Chip! It's the benefit of direct injection and a few other things - it does of course have downsides too - prone to misfires, although this can be helped by the way the fuel is delivered. Condensate in the exhaust is also a problem as temperatures are so low. You can only get away with it running so lean at low load, but typically lambda 2-3 is achievable at most sites

Will have a chat about it at the next meet we're at Chip, it's pretty interesting

Chip

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You'd expect the exhaust to be hot not cold based on conventional tuning, definately sounds an interesting subject.

You at the next middlesex meet? (monday)

If not when is your local one on next I'll pop down

weegaz22

i wouldnt say it is considering dihatsu did the same thing about 20 years ago with the charade GTTI, they had 100bhp from a 3 cyl 1.0 turbo

anyway why would you want something that small in a focus? cant see it being an very economical unit, focus is a big car for a 1.0 to pull...tubby or no tubby, in a ka or fiesta yeah, but in a heavy focus...no thanks imo