watchout the VOSA boys are about
03-11-2011, 06:31 PM
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watchout the VOSA boys are about
i came across this story,
Towing your race car? Watch out vosa is about
Towing your race car? Watch out vosa is about
while travelling today up the m6 just out of birmingham i was tailed by the vosa inspectors closely followed and passed by them after some time, then a FOLLOW ME lit up on the roof sign so i obliged, they took me off the motorway to a vosa inspector site there was 6 other trailers and cars parked up, i was towing the trailer and car a gto with a 2006 vw transporter van 172,he took all my details insurance etc etc licence away, came back in 10 mins to say all good, then he took the number of the trailer its weight plate and opened up bonnet of van to get its towing weight,the van can tow 5200kgs ,next onto the weighbridge,were he weighed front and rear axles of the van then front and rear axles of trailer for the train weight, my total was 5100 kgs its a big new trailer, i had no probslem with this unlike the other cars all parked up,they are having a big blitz on trailer towing weights and licences all over the uk so beware as if it isnt up to the weight they keep it there until you get something to lift it with so good of vosa with obviously little else to do 
03-11-2011, 06:49 PM
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your lucky it wasent for work at 5100kg or then you would have been in tacho law aswell lol as anything over 3500kg gross weight or gross train weight used for hire and reward needs a tacho aswell! (unless its recovery but thats only with in a 60 mile radius of your base i think)
03-11-2011, 06:53 PM
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whats wrong with that? so many dodgy trailers about at the moment with people getting on the scrap wagon etc. Can be devistating when it all goes wrong down the motorway, or when your stuck behind an overloaded load on a hill. Good on VOSA
03-11-2011, 07:00 PM
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i came across this story,
Towing your race car? Watch out vosa is about
Towing your race car? Watch out vosa is about
while travelling today up the m6 just out of birmingham i was tailed by the vosa inspectors closely followed and passed by them after some time, then a FOLLOW ME lit up on the roof sign so i obliged, they took me off the motorway to a vosa inspector site there was 6 other trailers and cars parked up, i was towing the trailer and car a gto with a 2006 vw transporter van 172,he took all my details insurance etc etc licence away, came back in 10 mins to say all good, then he took the number of the trailer its weight plate and opened up bonnet of van to get its towing weight,the van can tow 5200kgs ,next onto the weighbridge,were he weighed front and rear axles of the van then front and rear axles of trailer for the train weight, my total was 5100 kgs its a big new trailer, i had no probslem with this unlike the other cars all parked up,they are having a big blitz on trailer towing weights and licences all over the uk so beware as if it isnt up to the weight they keep it there until you get something to lift it with so good of vosa with obviously little else to do
believe me, i worked for VOSA long enough to realise, they are doing what they do to make the roads a safer place, my opinion soon changed after being involved in a few over weight incidents where the remains of peoples loved ones are scattered across the road.
If the vehicle is not up to the job of towing a weight that it is towing, then they are damn right to stop it being driven!
Little else to do? saving lives is a pretty important thing to do IMO
03-11-2011, 07:09 PM
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Good to see they are doing there job, too many people are towing over weight etc I was on the M6 a couple of months ago and passed a shogun towing a trailer with a long wheel base transit luton on it, well dodgy like, the shogan was on its ribs at the back, fook knows how he got away with it like.
03-11-2011, 07:10 PM
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as far as i can read he want saying its a bad thing, especially as he was legit
i once towed a frst on a twin axel trailer behind an rst engined escort estate, i think i may have been overweight but i didnt know it, im ignorant on how to tell heat weight is ok or not
but i dont tow owt these days
i once towed a frst on a twin axel trailer behind an rst engined escort estate, i think i may have been overweight but i didnt know it, im ignorant on how to tell heat weight is ok or not
but i dont tow owt these days
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03-11-2011, 07:10 PM
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Would you be saying the same if one of your family members got killed by a car towing a trailer to heavy and suffered brake failure?
believe me, i worked for VOSA long enough to realise, they are doing what they do to make the roads a safer place, my opinion soon changed after being involved in a few over weight incidents where the remains of peoples loved ones are scattered across the road.
If the vehicle is not up to the job of towing a weight that it is towing, then they are damn right to stop it being driven!
Little else to do? saving lives is a pretty important thing to do IMO
believe me, i worked for VOSA long enough to realise, they are doing what they do to make the roads a safer place, my opinion soon changed after being involved in a few over weight incidents where the remains of peoples loved ones are scattered across the road.
If the vehicle is not up to the job of towing a weight that it is towing, then they are damn right to stop it being driven!
Little else to do? saving lives is a pretty important thing to do IMO
You can legaly tow a car on a trailer behind another car with no probs ,Yet i cant tow it behind my van , why , because ford put a weight plate on a van but not on a car
The law is a joke and its only because they put weight plates on vans that thay can do anything about it
i am over weight with my tranny spot van if im towing , yet my van had disc brakes all round and the trailer has awsome brakes and it tows very very well and stops on a dime , yet its ilegal
I can tow my trailor with a car and thats fine even tho it doesnt tow as well and will never brake as good
The laws are a joke
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03-11-2011, 07:17 PM
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i get pulled a lot by vosa inmy hgv as i carry gas they can be a pain in the arse and i avoid like the plague having to go through over a hour off checks then still expected to complete deliveries
03-11-2011, 07:23 PM
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03-11-2011, 07:26 PM
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In the case of light trailers, that are less than 3500kg in maximum laden weight, there is not any specified relationship in UK law between the weight of the towing vehicle and the weight of the trailer.
For M1 category vehicles (motor vehicles used for the carriage of passengers and comprising not more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat) the maximum permissible trailer weight is quoted by the vehicle manufacturer. If this is exceeded it is possible that the Courts or Insurance Companies may take the view that this constitutes a danger.
The maximum laden weight of a trailer, which may be towed by a light goods vehicle depends on both:
the stated gross train weight of the towing vehicle (GTW) and
the vehicle manufacturer's recommended maximum permissible trailer weight.
Neither the maximum permissible trailer weight nor the maximum gross train weight (the laden weight of the trailer plus the laden weight of the towing vehicle) should be exceeded.
It is possible that the stated gross train weight is less than the sum of the stated maximum permissible laden weight of the towing vehicle and the stated maximum permissible laden trailer weight. In this case the towing vehicle and the trailer must be loaded such that each does not exceed its individual maximum limit and the sum of both does not exceed the maximum gross train weight.
It is not a requirement to display a notice of the unladen weight of the trailer or the towing vehicle, unless the towing vehicle is either a motor tractor or a locomotive, as defined in the C&U.
For M1 category vehicles (motor vehicles used for the carriage of passengers and comprising not more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat) the maximum permissible trailer weight is quoted by the vehicle manufacturer. If this is exceeded it is possible that the Courts or Insurance Companies may take the view that this constitutes a danger.
The maximum laden weight of a trailer, which may be towed by a light goods vehicle depends on both:
the stated gross train weight of the towing vehicle (GTW) and
the vehicle manufacturer's recommended maximum permissible trailer weight.
Neither the maximum permissible trailer weight nor the maximum gross train weight (the laden weight of the trailer plus the laden weight of the towing vehicle) should be exceeded.
It is possible that the stated gross train weight is less than the sum of the stated maximum permissible laden weight of the towing vehicle and the stated maximum permissible laden trailer weight. In this case the towing vehicle and the trailer must be loaded such that each does not exceed its individual maximum limit and the sum of both does not exceed the maximum gross train weight.
It is not a requirement to display a notice of the unladen weight of the trailer or the towing vehicle, unless the towing vehicle is either a motor tractor or a locomotive, as defined in the C&U.
03-11-2011, 07:29 PM
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The first question you get asked when stopped by either police or vosa is what is on the back , then when you state the obvious thay ask what it is for ( ie they wait for you to say you have bought it to sell / break ) as long as you reply , I bought it for personal use , they know you know the law and drop it
03-11-2011, 07:31 PM
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i came across this story,
Towing your race car? Watch out vosa is about
Towing your race car? Watch out vosa is about
while travelling today up the m6 just out of birmingham i was tailed by the vosa inspectors closely followed and passed by them after some time, then a FOLLOW ME lit up on the roof sign so i obliged, they took me off the motorway to a vosa inspector site there was 6 other trailers and cars parked up, i was towing the trailer and car a gto with a 2006 vw transporter van 172,he took all my details insurance etc etc licence away, came back in 10 mins to say all good, then he took the number of the trailer its weight plate and opened up bonnet of van to get its towing weight,the van can tow 5200kgs ,next onto the weighbridge,were he weighed front and rear axles of the van then front and rear axles of trailer for the train weight, my total was 5100 kgs its a big new trailer, i had no probslem with this unlike the other cars all parked up,they are having a big blitz on trailer towing weights and licences all over the uk so beware as if it isnt up to the weight they keep it there until you get something to lift it with so good of vosa with obviously little else to do
http://www.driftworks.com/forum/drif...osa-about.html
03-11-2011, 07:33 PM
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In the case of light trailers, that are less than 3500kg in maximum laden weight, there is not any specified relationship in UK law between the weight of the towing vehicle and the weight of the trailer.
For M1 category vehicles (motor vehicles used for the carriage of passengers and comprising not more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat) the maximum permissible trailer weight is quoted by the vehicle manufacturer. If this is exceeded it is possible that the Courts or Insurance Companies may take the view that this constitutes a danger.
The maximum laden weight of a trailer, which may be towed by a light goods vehicle depends on both:
the stated gross train weight of the towing vehicle (GTW) and
the vehicle manufacturer's recommended maximum permissible trailer weight.
Neither the maximum permissible trailer weight nor the maximum gross train weight (the laden weight of the trailer plus the laden weight of the towing vehicle) should be exceeded.
It is possible that the stated gross train weight is less than the sum of the stated maximum permissible laden weight of the towing vehicle and the stated maximum permissible laden trailer weight. In this case the towing vehicle and the trailer must be loaded such that each does not exceed its individual maximum limit and the sum of both does not exceed the maximum gross train weight.
It is not a requirement to display a notice of the unladen weight of the trailer or the towing vehicle, unless the towing vehicle is either a motor tractor or a locomotive, as defined in the C&U.
For M1 category vehicles (motor vehicles used for the carriage of passengers and comprising not more than eight seats in addition to the driver's seat) the maximum permissible trailer weight is quoted by the vehicle manufacturer. If this is exceeded it is possible that the Courts or Insurance Companies may take the view that this constitutes a danger.
The maximum laden weight of a trailer, which may be towed by a light goods vehicle depends on both:
the stated gross train weight of the towing vehicle (GTW) and
the vehicle manufacturer's recommended maximum permissible trailer weight.
Neither the maximum permissible trailer weight nor the maximum gross train weight (the laden weight of the trailer plus the laden weight of the towing vehicle) should be exceeded.
It is possible that the stated gross train weight is less than the sum of the stated maximum permissible laden weight of the towing vehicle and the stated maximum permissible laden trailer weight. In this case the towing vehicle and the trailer must be loaded such that each does not exceed its individual maximum limit and the sum of both does not exceed the maximum gross train weight.
It is not a requirement to display a notice of the unladen weight of the trailer or the towing vehicle, unless the towing vehicle is either a motor tractor or a locomotive, as defined in the C&U.
Can you put that in basic turms please James ?
03-11-2011, 07:33 PM
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I have got away with it many times
The first question you get asked when stopped by either police or vosa is what is on the back , then when you state the obvious thay ask what it is for ( ie they wait for you to say you have bought it to sell / break ) as long as you reply , I bought it for personal use , they know you know the law and drop it
The first question you get asked when stopped by either police or vosa is what is on the back , then when you state the obvious thay ask what it is for ( ie they wait for you to say you have bought it to sell / break ) as long as you reply , I bought it for personal use , they know you know the law and drop it
03-11-2011, 07:35 PM
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well its not a case of they are out there now so watch out,
they are out on the roads 24/7 so there is always the chance you can get stopped, they are always on the look out for trailers,
HGVs work on a points system, they get points if defects are found on annual test and roadside checks, the more points you have, the more likely you are to get stopped.
The big firms like tesco etc have such a good record and very rarely have any defects that they don't get stopped as often.
There is always a crack down on cabs, and limos, for good resin swell.
Ive had a few good finds out on the road, which may well have saved a life or two, so they are doing a good job, if you are within the law, you don't need to be afraid of VOSA at all, just normal guys doing a job to the rules they are given.
they are out on the roads 24/7 so there is always the chance you can get stopped, they are always on the look out for trailers,
HGVs work on a points system, they get points if defects are found on annual test and roadside checks, the more points you have, the more likely you are to get stopped.
The big firms like tesco etc have such a good record and very rarely have any defects that they don't get stopped as often.
There is always a crack down on cabs, and limos, for good resin swell.
Ive had a few good finds out on the road, which may well have saved a life or two, so they are doing a good job, if you are within the law, you don't need to be afraid of VOSA at all, just normal guys doing a job to the rules they are given.
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03-11-2011, 07:36 PM
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I have been told it would be legal for me to tow my car trailer on my escort van with an escort on it 
The laws are confusing and can see why people get it wrong.
The laws are confusing and can see why people get it wrong.
03-11-2011, 07:39 PM
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Like every law in the world there are loop holes
Vosa nor anyone else can prove " at the time of the car being towed " what the intentions of the car are
Vosa know im pulling a fast one as they can see im a business but as long as i answer its for personal use they cant do anything , and once home if decide not to keep it for myself and either sell / break it , i have broken no laws because at the time i was stopped it was for personal use
03-11-2011, 07:41 PM
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03-11-2011, 07:42 PM
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all vosa men are " by the book " all the time mate
Like every law in the world there are loop holes
Vosa nor anyone else can prove " at the time of the car being towed " what the intentions of the car are
Vosa know im pulling a fast one as they can see im a business but as long as i answer its for personal use they cant do anything , and once home if decide not to keep it for myself and either sell / break it , i have broken no laws because at the time i was stopped it was for personal use
Like every law in the world there are loop holes
Vosa nor anyone else can prove " at the time of the car being towed " what the intentions of the car are
Vosa know im pulling a fast one as they can see im a business but as long as i answer its for personal use they cant do anything , and once home if decide not to keep it for myself and either sell / break it , i have broken no laws because at the time i was stopped it was for personal use
You need to be a little careful though paul, i have seen people prosecuted for exactly the reasons you are describing. One springs to mind who was towing boats.
They are not stupid, and can log your reg numbers on the ANPR system, so will keep an eye on you, and can do background research to find out what you are doing.
You would be a fool to think they can't catch you, because they can
Last edited by James @ M Developments.; 03-11-2011 at 07:44 PM.
03-11-2011, 07:47 PM
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well its not a case of they are out there now so watch out,
they are out on the roads 24/7 so there is always the chance you can get stopped, they are always on the look out for trailers,
HGVs work on a points system, they get points if defects are found on annual test and roadside checks, the more points you have, the more likely you are to get stopped.
The big firms like tesco etc have such a good record and very rarely have any defects that they don't get stopped as often.
There is always a crack down on cabs, and limos, for good resin swell.
Ive had a few good finds out on the road, which may well have saved a life or two, so they are doing a good job, if you are within the law, you don't need to be afraid of VOSA at all, just normal guys doing a job to the rules they are given.
they are out on the roads 24/7 so there is always the chance you can get stopped, they are always on the look out for trailers,
HGVs work on a points system, they get points if defects are found on annual test and roadside checks, the more points you have, the more likely you are to get stopped.
The big firms like tesco etc have such a good record and very rarely have any defects that they don't get stopped as often.
There is always a crack down on cabs, and limos, for good resin swell.
Ive had a few good finds out on the road, which may well have saved a life or two, so they are doing a good job, if you are within the law, you don't need to be afraid of VOSA at all, just normal guys doing a job to the rules they are given.
03-11-2011, 07:49 PM
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You need to be a little careful though paul, i have seen people prosecuted for exactly the reasons you are describing. One springs to mind who was towing boats.
They are not stupid, and can log your reg numbers on the ANPR system, so will keep an eye on you, and can do background research to find out what you are doing.
You would be a fool to think they can't catch you, because they can
They are not stupid, and can log your reg numbers on the ANPR system, so will keep an eye on you, and can do background research to find out what you are doing.
You would be a fool to think they can't catch you, because they can
Vosa are only human like us and to be honest i have found that they are usually quite decent and if they see you have good equipment and can see its well maintained they are quite happy and dont bother you
Im aware there only doing a job , and a good job , but common sence should always prevail
03-11-2011, 07:53 PM
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I will mate , all piss take aside it is a serious issue and i would like to know the real truth and know exactly where im wrong and sort it if possible
Im happy that my set up is good and safe ,but if against the law it is only a matter of time before i get done
03-11-2011, 07:54 PM
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I'm way out of touch on the towing regs these days, so how do I find out if I can tow my car with my van or my jeep and stay within the law?
Is there a site somwhere that explains it in plain engilsh?
I need to tow it in the spring to get it mapped
and would rather use the van tbh but don't want the hassle of getting pulled.
Is there a site somwhere that explains it in plain engilsh?
I need to tow it in the spring to get it mapped
and would rather use the van tbh but don't want the hassle of getting pulled.
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