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Old 04-07-2011 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Rs Baz
didnt look lke he lost his brakes...
Well, he did...

I was waiting for him and we has a chat. He lost his pedal altogether (something that's happened to me, more than once)

He pumped his brakes like mad and grabbed the handbrake, he was saying it was probably his pads, but i suggested to check that no brake lines were touching anything hot....then we noticed just how close his screamer was to the brake reservoir....it needs investigation, but he 100% lost all braking and had no chance
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Originally Posted by Si B
The White Mk3 Escort and a white XR2 were highly offensive to the environment... how they kept running I've no idea.
The white XR2 was me Had a nightmare of a day and I did appologise to the guy in the Series 1 Turbo who I filled in with smoke
Old 04-07-2011 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mr yella
Me neither , as he is a well decent driver fast but safe with it .
The guy's engine has just died in the MGV8 and from what I am being told he going for 5.0lt v8 and aiming to top 500bhp this time
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Originally Posted by tocca
The white XR2 was me Had a nightmare of a day and I did appologise to the guy in the Series 1 Turbo who I filled in with smoke
But when it was running right, it was absolutely flying - I have some good video footage from behind you I think.... will load it up tonight...
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Originally Posted by smithy20vt
The guy's engine has just died in the MGV8 and from what I am being told he going for 5.0lt v8 and aiming to top 500bhp this time
He was pretty much one of the fastest cars there at previous Combes and that was with only about 250bhp iirc

He has quite a few lightweight panels on it though so I guess it must be very light ( even a standard MGBGT is no porker though )
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Great show, Ian was super organised as normal, couldnt ask for more from the RSOC guys, but boy did combe fuck us up the arse in the afternoon with the track sesisons when they through that extra drift session in.

As per one of the other guys on here, we queued up then got asked to move from the queue we were in, then had to wait for FIVE sessions to go out before it was deemed our turn again, and then no time for another go.

Consider you are paying for a whole trackday, I think its a bit off that NO ONE I spoke to managed to get in more than 2 sessions in the whole afternoon and instead spent 3 hours worth of queing for 30 mins time on track, NOT acceptable IMHO.
I realise combe cant be held responsible for the red flag incidents that caused some of the delays, but the drifting was far more of an issue than the red flags.

I think that if they are going to put a second drifting session on then they should at least have the decency to do it after the track time has finished, as it takes them so long to go out clean up after the drift session picking up all the rubber etc that it just made an enormous queue that simply never got cleared off again.

Real shame, as other than the afternoon being all queue and no track time it was a fantastic day.

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Originally Posted by warrenpenalver
10 minute sessions would be insanely short. 15 minute is about right. if your in a totally standard car and its a bit hot just leave the track if your car cant handle it or drive slow and let people pass to cool down.
10 mins is plenty enough to enjoy IMHO.

Less than 2 mins to do the outlap, 8 mins gives you then 4 or 5 flying laps and then a cooldown lap and in.

All the action days at combe you get 10 mins or less IME (they advertise as 15 mins but I have an extensive library of in car footage that shows you NEVER get more than 10 mins!)

That is still plenty enough time to enjoy IMHO, and certainly would be worth it if it didnt mean queuing for well over an hour to get out like yesterday afternoon.
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Id rather just carry on tbh and come in when ready. Car can easily cope for 30 mins running on the limit. Then i could just come in and recheck
car and go out. Cant see why they cant just keep it rolling
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Originally Posted by volcomstone411
Id rather just carry on tbh and come in when ready. Car can easily cope for 30 mins running on the limit. Then i could just come in and recheck car and go out. Cant see why they cant just keep it rolling
The issue at combe is that you are joining in the middle of a high speed straight, which if you have lots of inexperienced drivers out there can potentially be a recipe for disaster im led to believe.

I do agree though that its nice to decide on how long you stay out for, sometimes its nice to go and put 2 laps in to check something then come straight in, but if you are on a 15 mins fixed session and you know its an hour or more till you can get through the queue again you end up staying out anyway, so it works both ways really with forcing a time limit on people, some end up out for longer than they want and some out for less than they want.

More cars on track at a time would have been a good idea too IMHO, the track was practically empty and if twice as many cars were out at a time like on an action day there would have been no queues at all I would think.
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Originally Posted by Mike1
He was pretty much one of the fastest cars there at previous Combes and that was with only about 250bhp iirc

He has quite a few lightweight panels on it though so I guess it must be very light ( even a standard MGBGT is no porker though )
Its a friends of a friends dad that owns it and I think he said it was around 800kg
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That MGB has been going round combe since I first started going nearly 20 years ago and has always been quick.
Really impressive combination of car and driver that is I reckon
Old 04-07-2011 | 11:49 AM
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very well set up car for combe remember being out with my mate in his evo which was about 380 bhp he held us for about 5 laps then let us buy was so good to see this mgbgt going so well with not alot of power
Old 04-07-2011 | 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by smithy20vt
Its a friends of a friends dad that owns it and I think he said it was around 800kg
Blimey, that is light - they're about 960 standard but I notice he's got a lot of perspex/plastic in for glass. He's got a similar PWR as a 385-400bhp 2wd Sapphire then. Certainly knows his way round the circuit - always good to watch

I enjoyed watching that white 3-door chase Si B's Evo round a couple of years ago as well - very entertaining
Old 04-07-2011 | 01:30 PM
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Didn't go to Combe but I just had to post a vid of that Mgb Gt, wish mine was half as quick!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVBLT...e_gdata_player
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Originally Posted by RichardPON
But when it was running right, it was absolutely flying - I have some good video footage from behind you I think.... will load it up tonight...
Drop me a PM if you got some footage dude
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Originally Posted by Rs Baz
he was hammering it after a scobby i notice he past a blue one then chased it hard after the scobby past him i said to my mate he is going to have a pisser soon he is driving it hard now then 2 laps latter he went wide on to the grass then in to a tyre wall didnt look lke he lost his brakes...

was a good day drifters were awsome this year that mark 2 escort and toyota were mental..

i notice the wait for some of you to get on track i was looking forward to doing this next year but after what ive been reading on here i dont i would bother...

also some tosser on castle combe facebook page said no camping and there was
I was on track in a black scooby when this happened and yes the little fiesta is very very rapid like off is head quick and guy looked like he could handel car, but it never passed blue scooby, he was chasing it very hard. And as i was catching him you could see him getting more and more raggy as he pushed harder, i give him 100% for effort, and its easy to say what you would have done when your sat watching, have a go !!!!!!
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I never make a mistake from the grandstand, only on the track, lol
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i had a good day , appart from what has allready been mentioned only got out 3 times on the track due to que , they where very long for what is a very good track day
and as for the drift cars yeh they are good to watch , but was there need for them to be out twice ?????????
lest hope next year is better , open pit lane maybe
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Not really. Ive done the same down a country lane at 100 mph and if u panic you can really hurt yourself. Nees to mentqlly prepare yourself for as many situations as you can. Im not picking holes. But surely if your gana go on track and put your life on the line you need to have enough knowledge and training to prepare the car safely so brakes dont fail and be able to control the car when things go wrong??
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mate if your doing over 100 mph on track and your brakes go dont care who you are its going to hurt
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People make mistakes, in driving and in car setup.
I doubt very much he knowingly went out with a problem.
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Originally Posted by tocca
The white XR2 was me Had a nightmare of a day and I did appologise to the guy in the Series 1 Turbo who I filled in with smoke
did you have orange wheels or orange cage or something?
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Originally Posted by volcomstone411
Not really. Ive done the same down a country lane at 100 mph and if u panic you can really hurt yourself. Nees to mentqlly prepare yourself for as many situations as you can. Im not picking holes. But surely if your gana go on track and put your life on the line you need to have enough knowledge and training to prepare the car safely so brakes dont fail and be able to control the car when things go wrong??

So you lost brakes at 100mph on a country lane? And controlled it with no issues?.......big country lane then

He didn't panic. He lost his brakes, realised, pumped them, still nothing so grabbed the handbrake and ran out of space.

How do you get the knowledge and training without going on track or having experiences like that? I know i always learn big lessons through mistakes, i'm sure he has.

His brakes were brutally effective all day,i know because i was discussing his set-up and the track with him the night before, but on the last session they failed. So the car and his mind were also prepared as well as you could hope.

Accidents happen, preaching through hindsight will never change that. Nobody was hurt and no other cars damaged.
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Brakes dont just disappear. I agree you need to go onto track to get experience. A few days with instructors and schools go a lot further than any bolt on part. If ge had 5.1 in there then even sat next to an exhaust shouldnt overheat. And if his pads melted then should of been thinking about that. Im not trying to pick fights or stir things up. Or say im a better driver. But there is a reason why we spent 4 months getting cars ready
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Simon Norris had the same issue IIRC.

His calipers and disks got hot, then on the straight transferred the heat to the fluid, then the fluid didnt respond when he pressed the pedal as it had boiled.
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Originally Posted by Porkie
did you have orange wheels or orange cage or something?
Mine was the one with black wheels and no cage
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Originally Posted by volcomstone411
Brakes dont just disappear.
Erm....yeah they can!!

Brake fade can give you "some" warning, boiled fluid does not. Pedal there...pedal gone!

I have experience of this, last big one forced me to throw the car into a spin at big speed on the end of the straight at silverstone.

and Chip gives another example....obviously Simon Norris knows nothing about how to prepare a car also.
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In the video when it happened to Simon, he has an in car camera too and you could see him furiously pumping the pedal and nothing happening, and yet his brakes were there less than 20 seconds before at the previous bend.
So it really can happen very quickly!
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Rich Pon glad you had a good day - i saw your car going round was thinking "which clown has got the roof down going round track" it was going well from where i was standing

Twins car and the puma were good too.

I think from what limited track time i did see - the Reyland Escos was properly going
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Originally Posted by Chip
In the video when it happened to Simon, he has an in car camera too and you could see him furiously pumping the pedal and nothing happening, and yet his brakes were there less than 20 seconds before at the previous bend.
So it really can happen very quickly!
Totally!
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Simon Norris had the same issue IIRC.

His calipers and disks got hot, then on the straight transferred the heat to the fluid, then the fluid didnt respond when he pressed the pedal as it had boiled.
sorry. Forgot when someone has an accident, the drivers never to blame.

Never heard such rubbish in all my life. Needs to buy some proper brake fluid. Cant believe your comparing a serious evo to an xr2
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Originally Posted by volcomstone411
sorry. Forgot when someone has an accident, the drivers never to blame.
Not really much point talking to you if you are going to read one thing and then think it actually said something totally different.

No one is actually saying that it is never the drivers fault, was just giving you an example of when it isnt, that doesnt mean I think it applies for ALL accidents though you total retard


Never heard such rubbish in all my life.
Including now, you havent heard it, you have made it up and pretended you have heard it!

Needs to buy some proper brake fluid. Cant believe your comparing a serious evo to an xr2
The evo had decent brake fluid, I dont know what the XR2 had.

I am NOT saying that was the cause of the accident in this case, just saying it MAY be, so you going off on one pretending you know exactly what hapepend when you havent got a fucking clue is just pointless slagging off.
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Not a pointless slagging off when you share a track with people who cant check basics. Im sure you will understand that with your car that youve spent a lot of time working on
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Originally Posted by volcomstone411
Not a pointless slagging off when you share a track with people who cant check basics. Im sure you will understand that with your car that youve spent a lot of time working on
I understand that people have varying abilities on track as drivers.
I understand that people have varying abilities off the track as car builders.

I allow for both of these things by never being anywhere near anyone I dont personally know well in any car that I care about on a racetrack.

If im in my trackday clio I'll get close to people and accept that if they make a mistake I lose my car too, if i took my 3door on track which I care about then I would give people plenty of room to make their mistakes away from me, or I just wouldnt put it on track in the first place.

You seem to be mistaking the cars at a trackday that requires NO race license, and NO scrutineering with an organised race where you can justifiably make assumptions about the quality of the other scrutineered cars and other race licensed drivers.

That is YOUR mistake I am afraid mate.

If you dont like the fact that on trackdays there is a poor standard of driving and a poor standard of cars sometimes, then dont do trackdays, these people are learning still so give them a wide birth if that bothers you but dont slag them off for not yet having finished learning!

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Again....he HAD "proper" brake fluid

I actually know the car, driver and was there all weekend with them. Not speculating from the stands or speeling off bollocks.

This little XR2 was pushing 350bhp....very easy to cause a failure and IMO it was a boil problem, not pads.

I have used this magical brake fluid in my Fiesta, and lost the brakes because a hardline had touched my exhaust.

You said earlier that you
"there is a reason why we spent four months on prep", yet didn't load a map and "had issues as usual"....awesome!! I can see i should listen to you, and do you do coaching to "mentally prepare" me.


Facts for the final time...he lost his brake pedal, WITHOUT WARNING.


You see ANY tyre marks in the pics??

Exactly why the pedal dropped is to be traced and IMO it is a boiled fluid issue. Two areas to look at would be the brake reservior that is right next to a red hot screamer pipe and the route of the lines themselves.

There really is little to discuss here....other than, how do you control a car at 100mph on a country lane without brakes
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But there is a reason why we spent 4 months getting cars ready
I hope for your sake you didn't spend 4 months getting your Puma ready? Because if so you wasted a third of a year prepping a car that couldn't leave behind a standard Puma driven by a mong!
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Originally Posted by DanW@FastFord
I hope for your sake you didn't spend 4 months getting your Puma ready? Because if so you wasted a third of a year prepping a car that couldn't leave behind a standard Puma driven by a mong!
Skinny mong at that.... he lost some weight... I blame breast feeding
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Skinny mong at that.... he lost some weight... I blame breast feeding


To be fair to Fudge he does look a lot better now - More like Paul Ripley's skiny brother, rather than his chubby twin!
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Probably by investing some serious cash into education and driving tuition before deciding to drive a car beyond my talent. Always get usual problems in performance. But come on surely you comprehend that checking safety stuff is a major must do before a track day. Im saying my car wasnt ready for the last few seconds of performance. And loosing out on 1500 rpm isnt going to take my life. And tbh after driving a car on gravel and snow hurts it far more than a track day. I was giving all a widebirth. Its just a test day for me. But id appreciate it if people who struggle with car prep and driving cud take a little more care. I have to!!
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Originally Posted by volcomstone411
Probably by investing some serious cash into education and driving tuition before deciding to drive a car beyond my talent. Always get usual problems in performance. But come on surely you comprehend that checking safety stuff is a major must do before a track day. Im saying my car wasnt ready for the last few seconds of performance. And loosing out on 1500 rpm isnt going to take my life. And tbh after driving a car on gravel and snow hurts it far more than a track day. I was giving all a widebirth. Its just a test day for me. But id appreciate it if people who struggle with car prep and driving cud take a little more care. I have to!!
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