Jim Galbally

only just relised what i think i want and why!
i normally drive my car at half throttle and shft at under 5k when making progres, very rarely do iactually nail it. the performance of my 24v lump suits me like this PERFECTLY, as its got all that midrange an lowdown power and goes very well/responsivewhen driving like this. its only on the occasions that i rally wanna give it some, that i want a bit more poke.

so, what i think i want is an engine with the samemidrange power/responsiveness BUT that has more poke top end when you really wanna give it some.

what do we think on this matter?

sofar the main options are:

very low lag small turbo cossie
V8
Tune the V6

any opinins on the matter of what we think might suit me? i would think the best option would be to get somehitng like an M3... lol but unfortunately my ford blinkers dont wanna seem to come off... lol

Alps Pacino

y not just nitrouse the power is only there on the odd occassions you want it as you said your engine is perfect for you now but you want more grunt OCCASIONALLY so i think this might be a good option

Benn 304R

V8, loads of scope for more power when wanted for less cash than it would be on the cossie lump i think.

Jim Galbally

been there done that

loved it

then the bottle ran out

not going down the nitrous route again not cost effective at all imho


also worth noting that nomatter what i'm definately gonna put new cams and ECU on the car with a livemap beforei even think about changing... IF i like it... nice one if not, i won't be out of pocket enuf to complain

Ginge !

why are ya still thinking, ya best option is actually a evo6 , if ya dont want top end power ask ya self how manytimes ya hit the limiter in 5th gear !!!!!

if ya hitting the limit in 5th alot that means ya cars too slow for ya !!!!!, ive never hit the limiter in 4th yet

so i think a new roller bearing small turbo and a cossie engine, why bother spending on a engine ya cant test to see of ya like

did ya think my car is what ya wanted or not, if ya think it wasnt its cause ya want a small turbo car, still think popeyes sounds a good conversion though, mayb with a small GT series turbo might be a nicer option

Stavros

v8 turbo like ive said all along, best of ALL worlds

why bother with a pissy 2litre when you can do a V8 for less?

tiny

I wouldnt go any further with the v6, been there done it, no comparison to
a v8, or capacity, I spent aprox 3 k on a v6, waist of money compared to a
v8, Imo i dont think you would need to turbo a v8 for what you are looking
for, you can get 300-500 easy, from a na small block Ford / Chevy, but if its even bigger numbers your after, through a turbo on, or two, but then
iv no idear how yourd get that kind of power down.

Jim Galbally

tht really dont make sense... lol

remember, with what im after out of a tuned V6 i'll have the same top speed as a YB also rememebr i'm 90% sure ive got a 3.9 diff and so the swap to a normal diff (which is already arranged :P) will again push the speed vs rpm up even further

v8 issounding more and more tempting tho

mattbufton

supercharge the v6 jim ,5-6 psi will be an effortless 300 bhp and enough torque to pull a bus with the brakes on
cheers
matt

SeanT

Jim, fellow 24v cossie owner here as you well know, the ONLY things really keeping me with this engine are:

1. 4x4
2. Not liking turbos

Cost and economy, fuck that, I want a fast n/a 4wd (car!) as my daily drive. And this is still fun!

As you now are happy with RWD, just drop the biggest fookin V8 you can in it, but remember that you are gonna need to shell out on brakes and suspension for the poor old sierra!!

SeanT

Hi matt! How's the fiesta project goin

mattbufton

got to love the 24v's


matt

mrviper

http://www.v-8.org.uk/sierra/nicksierra.htm

had a look on ebay but thats all i could come up with in afraid

mattbufton

its on hold while the supersport is being finished
dunno if i'll find the money to finish it ,but hey ,if it takes a few year it will be a quick un ,

cheers
matt

mattbufton

sorry jim hijacked your post bud

Oranoco

Jim, How's about a Rouse Cossie. There are still a few goodun's out there

Escy

i'd say a cossie engine with a small turbo.

mine is only a 1.8 and uses a GT28R turbo. its running 300bhp. i find that it accelerates very smoothly and quickly, even on half throttle, with lag barely being an issue. by 3500rpm i'll be on 18psi. i've sure the bottom end performance of mine would be considerable to a big N/A engine. the power delivery is very liner, it comes on boost smoothly, pulls up steep hills in high gears easily.

i seriously don't understand why people throw big turbos on cossies and run low figures anyway? whats the point in having a car with poor driveability running a T34 and producing only 350 when a GT28RS would give the same power and come on full boost by 4000rpm as apposed to the 5000+ horror stories i hear with T34's.

Benn 304R

Its finding one for sale though Oranaco, as theres was only 67 ever built so its not just a case of lets have a look in autotrader and theres a few in there

Just chuck a v8 in it Jim

mattbufton

or these hehehehe

matt

mattbufton

bet they play a nice tune

Jim Galbally

supercharging is NOT an option... bang for bucks its not worth it imho

thing is, i even found my XR4x4 TT a bit laggy

ok, the first person to find me a proper company (and not some bodger!) who can sort out a v8 conversion for me (inc sourcing, fitting, setting up etc. etc.) will wina prize

thing is, what v8 do i go for i really dont fancy something that guzzles fuel toobadly. i think that it'd be greedy to go for more than about 400bhp (and i would kill myself too easily! lol) and i dont wanna spend a FORTUNE on transmission, so one with decent power delivery to use standard gearbox ratios would be a bonus

david

Small turbo esccos, no lag and loads of fun

tiny

Jim, 400bhp v8, aint gona do 30 mpg dont think any 400bhp cozzys
would either inho.

SeanT

Methinks that there is an initial purchase price and security issue there mate for someone in Jim's position and age group!

not what the closed loop lot are saying

down to you Jim, what do you want from an engine???

david

I thought Jim was older than myself TBH mate

SeanT

He's around my age afaik, 22 ish, but not sure how much either way.

JohnnyB

Jim,

Just get you cams, after market ecu and as the yanks say some headers.

Raise your rev limit to 6500 and you will have a great fun car, it won't be 300 bhp but knocking on the door of 260.

no mor needed simple really.

AlexF

Jim I'll do you a v8 conversion... but it wont be cheap by any means!

alex

RichardPON

Why do you think a V8 is going to be cheap and fuel efficient.

We've got a 3.9 V8 in the Triumph Stag, and it was neither cheap, nor fuel efficient.

You must live with your head in the clouds - you want someone to transplant a Rover V8 into a Sapphire, mated to a suitable gearbox, and turbocharge it to 400bhp.

If you wanted a PROPER job, and I don't mean sourcing bits off Ebay etc etc, then you'd be looking at 8k minimum.

How is that cost effective, when you could buy two decent 2wd saff cossies for that money, and still have enough left over for a couple of mods.

My old T3 and greens conversion was responsive, quick, fun, and fuel efficient - if I so desired, I could get 300 miles plus out of a tank.

SapphyMike

get a diesel

Jim Galbally

rich, 8k?

the prices ive seen thrown around are SIGNIFICANTLY lower than that

i expect that some bits might be pricey ie transmission etc. but the engine?

when i say fuel efficient, if i could see 20mpg i'd be laughing. as thats all i get from the V6

mike, derv would be fine for my normal driving, but now when i wanted to give it some beans.

ps i'm 21

RichardPON

I get over 20 out of my cossie on T34 and greens if I want to..........

SapphyMike

Jim,

get a chipped derv, might be a bit better?

Ginge !

jim the newer TD's aint that slow now days mate

my cousins golf GTDi or what ever its called( looks like a fiat though ) aint that slow, ok dont rev but its very quick, as for giving it beans , thats where the cossie/evo/scooby become peoples choice

ask ya self why aint there may V6 engined saphs about jim , thats usually the answer mate, i know ya gonna say sheep follow the heard blah blah blah, but im sure theres a few tuners out there wanting to me different but then dont seem to get anywhere far with there ideas

a scooby is a goodcar to test drive, there the same money as a decent saph and tbh much more fun imo

they aint holding there value like a decent saph though but would be alot easier to sell than a V6 saph though

Ginge !

rich i got 238miles out me cossie last night doing average of 80 to 90

i cant see how people get more , was was doing a average to and i stuck 50 quid on the tank and done 20 miles with the petrol light on too ( thats a rean brown trouser moment on the m40 , last services are junction 8 and the light came on JUST as we was driving past it ( fooking seat coupra tosser chav

david

Sorry Jim , thought you were older

What about putting a T25 on a saff and you will get similar responce and wont cost the earth

SeanT

How is that relevant, surely it's just because Ford never made them in this country - there are plenty of V6 sierras about - reason there aren't many RWD is due to the gearbox issue.

Jim Galbally

rst88 i see where youre coming from and that was the initial plan, but it still wont give the same characteristics as a large capacity nasp engine :P

JohnnyB

Jim I do 160 to 180 miles on a full tank and thats totaly urban driving no motor way at all

aRSe

I think that £8k is conservative, especially as it reads as though you are looking for a drive in drive out conversion. Seeing as you want to push for 400bhp, i wouldn't recomend a Rover V8, it WILL cost you ££££'s on the engine alone. And hypothetically, if you want the car to be reliable with that kind of power, you'll need to uprated most of the other components too, the torque of V8's is a killer.
I don't mean to put a dampener on things, it just pays in the long run to be realistic. I run a Rover V8 in my everyday car, have for over 5 years now. It would be great to give it more power, but i don't have the time, space or money to play with it. Any how, as it is, it's RELIABLE , and that to me is pretty damn important. I've chosen to build another car, at my leisure and pleasure, and it will be ready, when it's ready, even if that's later than i would like.
If you make it to the 'Horse and Barge' next week, have a chat with 'tiny', i know his type of build isn't what your looking for, but it will give you an idea (especially on build costs). I might be there too?