tommytwotanks

we have a date when you have to either tax and insure, or sorn your vehicle


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13493056

rog

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Not drastically different to the currrent status, just another reason to make sure it's SORN'd, then it doesn't have to be insured.

Oranoco

Doesn't change anything much does it.

JK12

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Thats the way i read it - Sorn it then you can still park up not insure it?

FasterFords

How does that effect the ones that have no registered keeper or have fake details

BRAMMER

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If it get's some uninsured drivers off the roads then it's a good thing - i Sorn anyway so no different.

I haven't read the whole article but what about when you remove the car from the road for the winter and sorn do you have to notify your insurance provider or will it make no difference?

phil_rs

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So if a car isn't insured then you have to Sorn it?

Oranoco

Yep. Becuase obviously if a driver hasn't bothered to register or insure it they aren't going to want to fail to tax it as that would be illegal. Another dumb ass law that will hit the people who drop a minor clanger rather than the tossers who break the law for the Hell of it

Dirty Harry

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I heard on the radio this morning that ALL vehicles will have to be insured weather there parked up/stored or being used

phil_rs

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RIDICULOUS!

RstAaron.

It's a pain in the arse if you want to sell a car that you are no longer using but wanted to leave the tax on to make a sale easier.

Paynee

Does sorning a car which is taxed void any remaining tax on it?

reason i ask is a few of my old cars take my R5 for example spends most of the year in my lockup and only comes out for the odd weekend / month when i get temporary cover through my main car policy so if i were to tax the car when the weather starts picking up i would have to keep it insured or lose my tax by sorning??

Sp3no

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You can claim your road tax back when you SORN your car, you have to have at least 1 month left to get any refund, you send your old tax disk to the DVLA with the correct form

R5FORD

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how does this work for me then as im only insuring my car temporarily through a temp cover company.

Will DVLA know my cars temp insured or will it be more lie your not insured untill you show us the certificate

cj_rst

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Twins

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When your insurance runs out ,you need to sorn the car and send the tax back

R5FORD

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o ok mate easily done

daviddunlop83

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If i sorn a car im selling next month can i keep it taxed or when you sorn it does it automatically remove the tax from the car?

If i can sorn it and its taxed and mot'd how do you unsorn it? Normally when i have sorn'd the cosworth i just retax it and its good to go again but with this car the guy who is buying it is paying half this month and half next month and im keeping the car until fully paid so i dont really want to have the hassle of removing the tax etc if i can avoid it.

chaffe

Its a reasonable law, with a few flaws, people who dont insure, register or tax the car are UNTRACEABLE! so unless caught in the act of driving cant be prosecuted,
They will never be prosecuted for having a vehicle in the garage not on a sorn will they??????? only the honest people will, by making a small mistake.
Doesnt effect me i have a traders policy

Chip

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Either they or you misunderstood IMHO

They only need to be insured if they are taxed, so if they are in storage simply SORN them and its problem solved.

Chip

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It is going to make it very easy for them to dish out 80 quid fines to most people who change car and then sell the old one.

As an example, my mrs recently bought a clio, the guy we bought it off had it parked on the road taxed, but it was no longer insured because he transferred his insurance to his new car.

With the rules how they now are, he would have 2 options legally:
1) sorn the clio
2) insure both cars

If he went for option 1, then a test drive of the car would be illegal without trade plates as far as I am aware as it is SORN and therefore not taxed and road legal.
Option 2 would obvioulsy potentially cost quite a lot of money if its a couple of months till it sells

So lots of people will end up with a fine of 80 quid as there isnt a realistic alternative available to them.

Dirty Harry

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no I didnt missunderstand not unless Iam going deaf and iam not that old yet or radio 2 has got it wrong,I presume you will still need to sorn a motor that has been taken off the road but still need to have it insured

daviddunlop83

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Thats exactly the problem im going to face as u just bought a new car.

Looks like ill have to sorn it until the guy collects it and tax's it.

chaffe

sounds like a pain in the hole if you have no where to store it off road, but then i suppose it should be insured if its even just parked on the road.

Chip

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If you heard it right, then it does sound like radio 2 had it wrong then

No that isnt the case, cars which are SORN arent going to need to be insured, only ones that are taxed.


The point in the new law, is to prevent cars appearing to be road legal when they arent, as above things like people putting a car in someone elses name then driving it on their own 3rd party insurance etc, if a car is off the road and declared as such, the government has no issues with it.

daviddunlop83

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I do have somewhere to store if off the road but even if i leave it there taxed and MOT'd but change my insurance to my new car i could face a fine. So sorning it is the only way.

Just a pain as i would then have to get the tax refunded etc too

chaffe

what if you sorned it online but left the tax disc in the window, that way the neighbours would know no different?

Chip

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Yes SORN it or insure it are your only 2 options for staying legal.
So its good you have somewhere offroad to store it.

daviddunlop83

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The reason being is i wouldnt want to waste money insuring the car.

I have sold it to a friend but he cant afford to pay all of it this month so is paying some this month and the rest next month hence the car being uninsured for a couple of months.

Makes it such a pain in the arse instead of how the system is now, it could just sit off the road tax'd and Mot'd until he pays for it and then he could insure it and come collect it. Job done.

daviddunlop83

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If you sorn it tho, they refund the tax do they not?

chaffe

nope, not unless you send the disc back, but thats a seperate form from the post office. So you can sorn it and leave the disc on, just means you will not get any money from the tax

daviddunlop83

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That would suit. I dont want the money back from the tax, id rather just leave the tax on the car.

So how do you unsorn it when the guy buys it and insures it? As normally when you re tax it cancels the sorn document?

Psycho Warren

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it isnt going to stop any criminals thats for sure.

It is pretty pointless. If you have no tax or no insurance or no license then it shows up on ANY ANPR camera system so it doesnt matter if your missing 1 item or all of them.

the only enforcement advantage i can see is that parking wardens and other non police agencys without access to a database will be able to see that a car is untaxed and therefore likely uninsured if the scheme rules have been followed

but think of all the extra money from all the fines when they catch people out. Plus remember whos onus it is to ensure the sorn declaration goes through? yours. Who takes no responsibility even if send special delivery or done online with reference numbers?? thats right DVLA. So i imagine DVLA are rubbing their hands in joy at all the extra fines they can issue that can only be challenged in court, plus they will be making money on the tax refunds for the partial month remaining which is not refunded.

So is it really going to reduce number of uninsured drivers on the road?? like fuck it is, but it will potentially increase DVLA's revenue.

cj_rst

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tabetha

They don't need insurance just because they are taxed, that's nonsense.
I sorned my car whilst I had two months tax left(engine rebuild), had I then wanted to go on the road even though sorned, the fact it was actually in possession of tax and mot/ins meant I could do so.
I couldn't be arsed with claiming that tax back anyway.
tabetha

focusv8

It's the same article as this link, you have to read right the bottom line to see Sorn mentioned:

http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/driv...ontent=Twitter

focusv8

They don't today but will do in a Month or so when the new law applies.

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Chip

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Indeed, the bit that everyone seems to miss out or fail to understand which makes the whole thing far less dramatic is this bit:

It's ONLY talking about taxed and uninsured vehicles, nothing else!

rst in breaking

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deleted as didnt read entire post lol

Chip

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You have TOTALLY misunderstood the rules!

You CAN insure a car that is SORN if you want to.
You HAVE TO insure a car that is not SORN if you want to or not.

It doesnt make ANY change to the situation you are on about.