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What an absolute fukcing cock you are.
Laughing at someones misfortune. I hope something bad happens to you so we can all laugh at it.
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Laughing at someones misfortune. I hope something bad happens to you so we can all laugh at it.
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Originally Posted by Ian Howell
Ref the comments I made about your car - Yep you got me - I laughed when it blew up
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You can't deny, they look like they do a decent job
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why dont you find out the sort of spec you would need for the head source all the parts and get a good workshop the fit them and get it flow tested so you will know that it will flow up to that power.
the trouble is if you want to flow that much from an 8v it will lack power at low rpm depending on turbo will be more laggy also
the trouble is if you want to flow that much from an 8v it will lack power at low rpm depending on turbo will be more laggy also
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what about Race Power in Northfleet. I remeber a few people posting up they'd got them and were very happy.
http://www.racepowermotorsport.com/rscosbigvalve.htm
http://www.racepowermotorsport.com/rscosbigvalve.htm
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Hmmmmmmm... Some interesting replies there lol.
Thanks to Ian I am not going to say anything more on the subject for fear of turning this post into a slagging match.
Like Mr C hinted, I will be ringing him in the afternoon and we will be making a decision tomorrow. It's a real shame that Karl is busy. Many people have suggested numerous times, why not fit a standard engine to get it running etc, that is a complete waste of time and money... Mapping isn't cheap. APT are helping me out but I can't expect them to do all my mapping for free, and Omex set the prices.
RE: Failure, this isn't really the place. I have said on the BB why, I am sure you could find it if you really wanted to...
Cheers all (well, almost all )
Thanks to Ian I am not going to say anything more on the subject for fear of turning this post into a slagging match.
Like Mr C hinted, I will be ringing him in the afternoon and we will be making a decision tomorrow. It's a real shame that Karl is busy. Many people have suggested numerous times, why not fit a standard engine to get it running etc, that is a complete waste of time and money... Mapping isn't cheap. APT are helping me out but I can't expect them to do all my mapping for free, and Omex set the prices.
RE: Failure, this isn't really the place. I have said on the BB why, I am sure you could find it if you really wanted to...
Cheers all (well, almost all )
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Originally Posted by Ian Howell
Phil Holmes was more that happy to accept that old CVH head with a light peppering of det marks, and surprisingly (to you only?)
Ref the comments I made about your car - Yep you got me - I laughed when it blew up, and laughed even more when Christian said 'it could have been one of many things' - That's a great advert for a tuner!
Ref the comments I made about your car - Yep you got me - I laughed when it blew up, and laughed even more when Christian said 'it could have been one of many things' - That's a great advert for a tuner!
As for comments made @ Brunters it was harsh, i mean how can you diagnose the reason for Tony's engine failure from 1.6 miles away and less than 15 mins after it happened and then laugh at Tony's misfortune ??? Sorry but thats really poor
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With referance to the above statement Andy,
I was chatting to Ian at the time Tony launched his car, and I dont think Ian would have had to have been 1.6 miles away to have heard what I heard.
We both looked at each other at the same time knowing it was terminal.
Get a grip lads why bring up past grievences especialy when they have been settled. The way your slating Ian you'd have thought he was responsible for Tonys car blowing.
As for getting your head sorted Tony I hope you find someone who is willing to take on the job and you have it back and your car setup sharpish.
I was chatting to Ian at the time Tony launched his car, and I dont think Ian would have had to have been 1.6 miles away to have heard what I heard.
We both looked at each other at the same time knowing it was terminal.
Get a grip lads why bring up past grievences especialy when they have been settled. The way your slating Ian you'd have thought he was responsible for Tonys car blowing.
As for getting your head sorted Tony I hope you find someone who is willing to take on the job and you have it back and your car setup sharpish.
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Andy,
The only reason I had a dig at Ian was because of the remark he made to my face at Brunters. I just COULDNT BELIEVE what I was hearing. Just imagine the shoe on the other foot? I know that Ian would have taken it personally, as would anyone. I could list 10 reasons without even switching my brain on that could put Tony's failure down to something other than mapping. Also, just because you/Ian heard something from Tony's car on the Runway, how does that suppport the statement about mapping any more?? Of course it was terminal, the engine is now in pieces. It was a blatant example of jumping to a conclusion.
My car had a severe misfire on that day, as I am sure many of you were aware. Do you think that was down to the Map??
I can tell you for a FACT that it was a dodgy set of Hydraulic Lifters. How do I know this?? Because I have now changed them and the misfire has gone. It would have been easy for anyone to say on the day that it was a mapping issue.
During my search for people to do Heads/Cams, I have learnt ALOT. I have learnt that there are ALOT of people out there that claim they can do something special, but in reality can't. Take Newman for example, do they make Custom Cams for CVH's?? As knowledgable as they may or may not be, the answer is NO. They have ONE cam for CVH Turbo. The list goes on.
The only reason I had a dig at Ian was because of the remark he made to my face at Brunters. I just COULDNT BELIEVE what I was hearing. Just imagine the shoe on the other foot? I know that Ian would have taken it personally, as would anyone. I could list 10 reasons without even switching my brain on that could put Tony's failure down to something other than mapping. Also, just because you/Ian heard something from Tony's car on the Runway, how does that suppport the statement about mapping any more?? Of course it was terminal, the engine is now in pieces. It was a blatant example of jumping to a conclusion.
My car had a severe misfire on that day, as I am sure many of you were aware. Do you think that was down to the Map??
I can tell you for a FACT that it was a dodgy set of Hydraulic Lifters. How do I know this?? Because I have now changed them and the misfire has gone. It would have been easy for anyone to say on the day that it was a mapping issue.
During my search for people to do Heads/Cams, I have learnt ALOT. I have learnt that there are ALOT of people out there that claim they can do something special, but in reality can't. Take Newman for example, do they make Custom Cams for CVH's?? As knowledgable as they may or may not be, the answer is NO. They have ONE cam for CVH Turbo. The list goes on.
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RE: Failure, this isn't really the place. I have said on the BB why, I am sure you could find it if you really wanted to...
Anyway, best of luck with the new build
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HT's are supposed to be good. Mark from BSW used to work there years back. I hear they aren't the quickest people around at getting work done and they tend to do more N/A stuff... AFAIK
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Andy,
Take Newman for example, do they make Custom Cams for CVH's?? As knowledgable as they may or may not be, the answer is NO. They have ONE cam for CVH Turbo. The list goes on.
Take Newman for example, do they make Custom Cams for CVH's?? As knowledgable as they may or may not be, the answer is NO. They have ONE cam for CVH Turbo. The list goes on.
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Take Newman for example, do they make Custom Cams for CVH's?? As knowledgable as they may or may not be, the answer is NO. They have ONE cam for CVH Turbo. The list goes on.
newman do and always have done several cams for the cvh
andys(b8) and mine are completely different cams specced for our engine
i was offered the same cam as hes got,why would they offer me the same cam with promises of gains bhp wise.
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Andy,
Take Newman for example, do they make Custom Cams for CVH's?? As knowledgable as they may or may not be, the answer is NO. They have ONE cam for CVH Turbo. The list goes on.
Take Newman for example, do they make Custom Cams for CVH's?? As knowledgable as they may or may not be, the answer is NO. They have ONE cam for CVH Turbo. The list goes on.
I also have a Newman cam in my car,
Me, B8 and JamboRST all have didfferent spec cams in our CVHs.
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Originally Posted by T28 RST
Originally Posted by B8
Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Andy,
Take Newman for example, do they make Custom Cams for CVH's?? As knowledgable as they may or may not be, the answer is NO. They have ONE cam for CVH Turbo. The list goes on.
Take Newman for example, do they make Custom Cams for CVH's?? As knowledgable as they may or may not be, the answer is NO. They have ONE cam for CVH Turbo. The list goes on.
I also have a Newman cam in my car,
Me, B8 and JamboRST all have didfferent spec cams in our CVHs.
worms...... can....... open.......
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Originally Posted by JamboRST
i thought you knew a lot about turbo's until i heard this stupid statement.
newman do and always have done several cams for the cvh
andys(b8) and mine are completely different cams specced for our engine
i was offered the same cam as hes got,why would they offer me the same cam with promises of gains bhp wise.
newman do and always have done several cams for the cvh
andys(b8) and mine are completely different cams specced for our engine
i was offered the same cam as hes got,why would they offer me the same cam with promises of gains bhp wise.
Alan (AVA) is VERY knowledgable, I have had several conversations with him and I totally believe that he is capable of spec'ing a Cam, but it was always referred to as "If you want a Custom Cam, then speak to Newman". I did just that and he very openly admitted that he can't help. He also admitted that he is having alot of problems with his Solid Lifters.
Other than that, of all the people I have spoken to in the last few weeks, I think Karl is the only other one that I am confident he could Spec a cam.
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Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Andy,
Take Newman for example, do they make Custom Cams for CVH's?? As knowledgable as they may or may not be, the answer is NO.
Take Newman for example, do they make Custom Cams for CVH's?? As knowledgable as they may or may not be, the answer is NO.
Originally Posted by Christian and Beccy
Alan (AVA) is VERY knowledgable, I have had several conversations with him and I totally believe that he is capable of spec'ing a Cam, but it was always referred to as
"If you want a Custom Cam, then speak to Newman".
I did just that and he very openly admitted that he can't help.
"If you want a Custom Cam, then speak to Newman".
I did just that and he very openly admitted that he can't help.
Christian Custom-built by definition is made to order following customers specification......
You stated quite clearly that Newman do not make a Custom Cam when the fact of the matter is THEY DO, if you were to have given a brief with specs for a cam then a custom cam would have been made.
So it could be said to make things a little more accurate and nearer the truth.
You went shopping but didnt know exactly what you were shopping for...... Oh and the shop assistant may or may not have been knowlegable.......and because you didnt know what you wanted in the 1st place..........and therefore didnt get it.
Then the shop assistant is Shit?
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if AVA are givin newman the spec they want the cam to be made to, then newman make the cam then newman make custom cams get it
you said they dont when clearly they do and have done.
if you think that people are goin to give away there cam specs to you, that they have spent months developin then your very much mistaken
they offer 1 cam OFF THE SHELF like piper and kent offer there cams but they will spec any cam for you with the info you give them
case closed
you said they dont when clearly they do and have done.
if you think that people are goin to give away there cam specs to you, that they have spent months developin then your very much mistaken
they offer 1 cam OFF THE SHELF like piper and kent offer there cams but they will spec any cam for you with the info you give them
case closed
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Its all a big contradiction of terms. Please read and understand this before commenting.
When Custom Cams were discussed, it was at the same time as Karls Custom Cams were also mentioned.
I am lead to believe that you could get Karl to spec you a Cylinder Head, Turbo and consequently a matching CUSTOM cam. This is then be called an NMS Custom Cam. Even though I still believe to this day that Karl doesn't actually grind it (and I don't hold that against him). After all, Cam grinding equipment isnt something you can just pick up on Ebay.
You cannot go to Newman and tell them the spec of your engine and ask them to design you a cam, therefore they cannot supply you with a Custom Cam. They will offer you the one and only CVH Turbo cam that they produce.
You can, however, go to AVA and Alan will spec you a cam, which he will instruct Newman to do. That to me is an AVA cam on the same basis that the one that Karl offers is an NMS cam.
Similarly, I would imagine that Ahmed can do a Cam. You will probably never know who physically made it, but you would refer to it as an Ahmed cam.
When Custom Cams were discussed, it was at the same time as Karls Custom Cams were also mentioned.
I am lead to believe that you could get Karl to spec you a Cylinder Head, Turbo and consequently a matching CUSTOM cam. This is then be called an NMS Custom Cam. Even though I still believe to this day that Karl doesn't actually grind it (and I don't hold that against him). After all, Cam grinding equipment isnt something you can just pick up on Ebay.
You cannot go to Newman and tell them the spec of your engine and ask them to design you a cam, therefore they cannot supply you with a Custom Cam. They will offer you the one and only CVH Turbo cam that they produce.
You can, however, go to AVA and Alan will spec you a cam, which he will instruct Newman to do. That to me is an AVA cam on the same basis that the one that Karl offers is an NMS cam.
Similarly, I would imagine that Ahmed can do a Cam. You will probably never know who physically made it, but you would refer to it as an Ahmed cam.
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Originally Posted by adamS2RST
I'm hearing you Christian
Here's another example. Ford. How many Ford parts do Ford actually make?? Take Head Gaskets for example. An RS Turbo Head Gasket from Ford is known as a genuine Ford Head Gasket. It is actually made for Ford to their spec, by Payen. We dont refer to it as a Payen Head Gasket do we?
I think thats where the confusion arises.
Its a shame that on all the MANY cam discussion threads that have been started in the past (not just by me), you AVA boys didn't say 'AVA can do you a cam', because I might have phoned and asked. Instead, lots of people said 'Newman' can do you a Custom Cam, so I phoned them and found that they said 'No, we can't help you.'. Its as simple as that.
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To me christians definition is correct. I think he is saying newman dont have a range of cams prebuilt ready to buy of the shelf, they have only the one which they have based on a certain criteria of engine, perhaps theyre equivalent of a kent cam or piper one.
Karl and Alan are going to design a cam based on each persons individual setup and the criteria for drivability the customer wants. So this may be an xyz duration cam etc.. for a car with a t34 turbo running xyz compression with xyz spec head which could be very different from the next car that comes in. So they work out the design send it to be ground into spec they briefed or carry out this themselves if they have the equipment to do so. Hence a custom cam being produced for every engine and not a mass produced one such as the piper 285t.
Karl and Alan are going to design a cam based on each persons individual setup and the criteria for drivability the customer wants. So this may be an xyz duration cam etc.. for a car with a t34 turbo running xyz compression with xyz spec head which could be very different from the next car that comes in. So they work out the design send it to be ground into spec they briefed or carry out this themselves if they have the equipment to do so. Hence a custom cam being produced for every engine and not a mass produced one such as the piper 285t.
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it may be an AVA specced cam but who does it? newman
which means newman do custom cams
as said they will not give you a cam off the shelf that someone else has spent
a long time developin thats what we pay the tuners for not to let them do they hard work then take there designs
it may be that ava and newman have worked together on this design,who knows
so there not going to give you that cam off the shelf
they dont throw engines together everythin is developed,tried and tested
and definately not for anyone else to know
ask karl for the spec of his cams will he tell you, no
my cam,andys cam and davies cam were all specced with the engine not just biggest this and
out of interest christian at what rpm does your car make peak power?
which means newman do custom cams
as said they will not give you a cam off the shelf that someone else has spent
a long time developin thats what we pay the tuners for not to let them do they hard work then take there designs
it may be that ava and newman have worked together on this design,who knows
so there not going to give you that cam off the shelf
they dont throw engines together everythin is developed,tried and tested
and definately not for anyone else to know
ask karl for the spec of his cams will he tell you, no
my cam,andys cam and davies cam were all specced with the engine not just biggest this and
out of interest christian at what rpm does your car make peak power?
#75
Having worked in the industry, it's amazing how "custom" some "custom" stuff actually is!
As for what you said earlier Christian, it's a real shame Tony can't wait for Karl.
I've had firsthand experience with CVH heads done by Karl, and you would not believe the finished article.
As a direct result of that, when my engine gets rebuilt, the head will be done by Karl if I have to wait a year!
Best of luck with what you decide though...........
As for what you said earlier Christian, it's a real shame Tony can't wait for Karl.
I've had firsthand experience with CVH heads done by Karl, and you would not believe the finished article.
As a direct result of that, when my engine gets rebuilt, the head will be done by Karl if I have to wait a year!
Best of luck with what you decide though...........
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Originally Posted by adamS2RST
I'm hearing you Christian
Here's another example. Ford. How many Ford parts do Ford actually make?? Take Head Gaskets for example. An RS Turbo Head Gasket from Ford is known as a genuine Ford Head Gasket. It is actually made for Ford to their spec, by Payen. We dont refer to it as a Payen Head Gasket do we?
I think thats where the confusion arises.
Its a shame that on all the MANY cam discussion threads that have been started in the past (not just by me), you AVA boys didn't say 'AVA can do you a cam', because I might have phoned and asked. Instead, lots of people said 'Newman' can do you a Custom Cam, so I phoned them and found that they said 'No, we can't help you.'. Its as simple as that.
they dont sell them they are designed along with engines that they have produced and developed with engine spec in mind
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It appears that the contradiction in terms that you refer to :- ie a statement that contradicts itsself would apply to the definition of the term "Custom Cam"
My definition and am sure its not just a Scottish thing, (I must check the English dictionary ) would be one that is made to order following customers specification......
AVA in this case being the customer.
My definition and am sure its not just a Scottish thing, (I must check the English dictionary ) would be one that is made to order following customers specification......
AVA in this case being the customer.
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Andy,
Agreed, but YOU instigate the purchase of the "custom" cam by AVA by being the end user and end purchaser.
I think the point that Christian makes is that you can't wander into Newman and ask for a cam to fit a CVH with this CR, such and such a turbo, these lifters etc.
They make cams, and don't spec engines.
Agreed, but YOU instigate the purchase of the "custom" cam by AVA by being the end user and end purchaser.
I think the point that Christian makes is that you can't wander into Newman and ask for a cam to fit a CVH with this CR, such and such a turbo, these lifters etc.
They make cams, and don't spec engines.
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It just seems like Manipulation of words.
The original Context was, Who cam provide me with a Custom Cam?
The answer is Newman can't. Phone them on Monday and ask them to provide you with a Custom cam for a 1600 CVH running a 0.63 T34. They CANNOT do it. I would bet money on it.
Do Sainsburys make all their stuff? Do they fook. Yet we refer to Sainsburys Toilet Rolls as Sainsburys Toilet Rolls.
OK, I accept that Newman almost certainly HAVE got the equipment to grind cams, but for all we know, hypothetically speaking they might be subbing it out to Piper. They are all in Kent after all. I'm just saying that to prove a point.
The original Context was, Who cam provide me with a Custom Cam?
The answer is Newman can't. Phone them on Monday and ask them to provide you with a Custom cam for a 1600 CVH running a 0.63 T34. They CANNOT do it. I would bet money on it.
Do Sainsburys make all their stuff? Do they fook. Yet we refer to Sainsburys Toilet Rolls as Sainsburys Toilet Rolls.
OK, I accept that Newman almost certainly HAVE got the equipment to grind cams, but for all we know, hypothetically speaking they might be subbing it out to Piper. They are all in Kent after all. I'm just saying that to prove a point.
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Andy,
Agreed, but YOU instigate the purchase of the "custom" cam by AVA by being the end user and end purchaser.
I think the point that Christian makes is that you can't wander into Newman and ask for a cam to fit a CVH with this CR, such and such a turbo, these lifters etc.
They make cams, and don't spec engines.
Agreed, but YOU instigate the purchase of the "custom" cam by AVA by being the end user and end purchaser.
I think the point that Christian makes is that you can't wander into Newman and ask for a cam to fit a CVH with this CR, such and such a turbo, these lifters etc.
They make cams, and don't spec engines.