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Old 28-12-2010 | 03:11 PM
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Or not ?
Old 28-12-2010 | 03:16 PM
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Do you know what sort of temps you are hitting at the moment mate?
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Not a clue Gav,the saphs just a fast road car will never see a track.
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Depends on how hot you find your oil gets.....fit a gauge and find out, if it's goin over 120 you really need one
It's VERY unlikely you'll need one imo unless you venture out on track in the summer, though you could always fit a thermostatic one so it only flows through the cooler when the oil reaches a certain temperature, and therefore won't overcool the oil.
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As above although not sure on the reliability of the stats found in oil cooler kits
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Just for show on a road car.. + if it's 4x4 then it already has a cooler mate
Old 28-12-2010 | 03:43 PM
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You are very unlikely to get your oil up to the correct temperature in a road car let alone need a cooler.
Old 28-12-2010 | 04:19 PM
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Too much guesswork here, even by rod, the question can't be answered realistically unless you know for certain what temps you are reaching, my old xr4i for example maintained a steady 130C at 55mph on a hot day, so had one, having heard how much noisier the cossie gets as the oil thins out, esp with castrol oil, I fitted one for peace of mind, with a stat, as like to keep nearer 80C - 90C.
The temps are likely to shoot through the roof on a cossie oil wise, the oil does at least as much cooling as the coolant don't forget, cruising should be ok but sudden big bootfulls is lots of extra heat to dissipate, gives the cooling system an easier time as well, and with a stat will always be ideal temp.
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Originally Posted by tabetha
Too much guesswork here, even by rod, the question can't be answered realistically unless you know for certain what temps you are reaching, my old xr4i for example maintained a steady 130C at 55mph on a hot day, so had one, having heard how much noisier the cossie gets as the oil thins out, esp with castrol oil, I fitted one for peace of mind, with a stat, as like to keep nearer 80C - 90C.
The temps are likely to shoot through the roof on a cossie oil wise, the oil does at least as much cooling as the coolant don't forget, cruising should be ok but sudden big bootfulls is lots of extra heat to dissipate, gives the cooling system an easier time as well, and with a stat will always be ideal temp.
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something wrong with your temp gauge or engine then mate!
standard unstressed engines running 130c at a steady 55 mph???
so when you were sitting at 80 mph on the motorway for an hour.. 150+ deg c??
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Why do they have oil modine's then ?

I run a cooler with a thermostst.

The oil even gets warm enough to open this time of year.

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Alright Kev,

Whats been happening with yourself??
How is the car going with the new engine? Did you get a new turbo?

Cheers Brian
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Alright Kev,

Whats been happening with yourself??
How is the car going with the new engine? Did you get a new turbo?

Cheers Brian
Hey Bri,hows it going m8 ? Engine is going brilliant,I got R/B T38 in the end still to be live mapped though. Hows the job ?
Old 28-12-2010 | 05:42 PM
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Why do they have oil modine's then ?

I run a cooler with a thermostst.

The oil even gets warm enough to open this time of year.

Steve
You recommend one then Steve ?
Old 28-12-2010 | 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tabetha
Too much guesswork here, even by rod, the question can't be answered realistically unless you know for certain what temps you are reaching, my old xr4i for example maintained a steady 130C at 55mph on a hot day, so had one, having heard how much noisier the cossie gets as the oil thins out, esp with castrol oil, I fitted one for peace of mind, with a stat, as like to keep nearer 80C - 90C.
The temps are likely to shoot through the roof on a cossie oil wise, the oil does at least as much cooling as the coolant don't forget, cruising should be ok but sudden big bootfulls is lots of extra heat to dissipate, gives the cooling system an easier time as well, and with a stat will always be ideal temp.
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Oil needs to get to higher temp than 80C i would imagine to burn off the condensation that is present.

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Why do they have oil modine's then ?

Steve
My understanding was that it is to heat the oil quicker..

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dont think that oil cooler is worth £350 tho m8 you can get the same kit on the bay £141
Old 28-12-2010 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cossiedave
dont think that oil cooler is worth £350 tho m8 you can get the same kit on the bay £141
Cheers Dave,i didnt have a clue re price tbh.
Old 28-12-2010 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie
Cheers Dave,i didnt have a clue re price tbh.
that is way to much money m8
Old 28-12-2010 | 06:13 PM
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Kev dont bother,i never did,never saw oil temps high enough,

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if alot of high speed driving then yes deffo neede BUT fit a oil temp gauge as if the oil aint upto temp then you will cause more damage

oil should be around 100 to 110degrees temp for the correct viscosity,,,,,,, 80 degrees is wrong but as already mentioned its clear tabethas gauge is reading about as acurate as IMA's arse dyno whilst stoned
Old 28-12-2010 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by STUCOS
Kev dont bother,i never did,never saw oil temps high enough,

cheeRS stu
Tried to call you but couldn't get a signal.
Old 28-12-2010 | 06:25 PM
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Try the house phone,

cheeRS stu
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Kev saw the kit your looking at,the guy must be smoking crack at that price

cheeRS stu
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Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie
You recommend one then Steve ?
When i collected my car from Spec-R it was around 1 or 2c. Took the car for a drive before going home to check things over and the theromstat opened on my oil cooler. I couldn't even drive the car hard due to wheel spin lol.

I don't have a oil temp gauge in the car so no idea on oil temps.

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Originally Posted by KSA-Cossie
Hey Bri,hows it going m8 ? Engine is going brilliant,I got R/B T38 in the end still to be live mapped though. Hows the job ?

Job is spot on mate, making some money for a new RS focus!!!!!
Do you feel a difference with the R/B??
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Originally Posted by STUCOS
Kev dont bother,i never did,never saw oil temps high enough,

cheeRS stu
Thats cause you never drove it hard enough! lol
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kev wouldnt know a centre bearing from a wheel bearing

at least my taxi saw day light lol

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Originally Posted by funkybrian
Job is spot on mate, making some money for a new RS focus!!!!!
Do you feel a difference with the R/B??
Yup,and love the T38.

Originally Posted by funkybrian
Thats cause you never drove it hard enough! lol
Fpmsl.

Originally Posted by STUCOS
kev wouldnt know a centre bearing from a wheel bearing

at least my taxi saw day light lol
Nasty,but true lol.
Old 28-12-2010 | 07:48 PM
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Quality replies above

You reckon you can get a fully quipped oil cooler setup for £140
Old 28-12-2010 | 07:59 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SIERRA-SAPPHIR...item1c180b2f64
Old 28-12-2010 | 08:04 PM
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The simple answer to the OP is

a) What temps are you seeing on the road?
b) What is the operating range of temps of the oil you're using?

Without knowing a or b you just cant know what to do, despite the opining of some members.
If you do fit one, you may never get your oil up to the optimal temperature and then potentially shorten the lifespan of your engine
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So no aeroquip ,no goodrich fittings, no remote filter, so its unfair to compare it
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Originally Posted by It's Czech Mate
The simple answer to the OP is

a) What temps are you seeing on the road?
b) What is the operating range of temps of the oil you're using?

Without knowing a or b you just cant know what to do, despite the opining of some members.
If you do fit one, you may never get your oil up to the optimal temperature and then potentially shorten the lifespan of your engine
Agree totally.
I was shocked when i asked Opie what was the correct operating temp of my oil. I certainly cannot reach it driving on the road & lets say i have driven very fast out there .
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Originally Posted by Jon(M600BHP)
So no aeroquip ,no goodrich fittings, no remote filter, so its unfair to compare it

That ebay kit doesnt have a thermostat in the sandwich plate either!
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I thought yours was a 4x4 kev, therefor you have a oil cooler? Unless you want to upgrade it maybe? But to what i understand you dont need to for a road car.
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Kev i had one fitted to my old car, I had to due to the block and ended up blocking half it off as oil temps were too low.
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Originally Posted by Red16
That ebay kit doesnt have a thermostat in the sandwich plate either!
from the ebay listing
In very cold/wet weather over cooling of the oil can be avoided by the addition of a thermostat built into the sandwich plate for£19.99 extra.
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Originally Posted by Jon(M600BHP)
So no aeroquip ,no goodrich fittings, no remote filter, so its unfair to compare it
do the same job tho m8
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Correct, just like a full on GGR breather do the same job as a Bailey £130 jobby

You pays your money you makes your choice
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Question about the one on eBay, It looks tall and not very wide. Is it the same shape as the standard cossie one?
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