Chip

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zetec-Sam

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That must have been one hell of a powerful bluefin map.

Guile1

Does it share the same tyres?
Calipers / pads?
suspension ?
Aerodynamic properties / body shell / shape?
is it the same weight?


the way i see it:

yes things are shared , over engineered but working them CLOSER to the limit decreases saftey ... i can't really ADD much more to my argument.



Of courses it not black and white ... but i can see why remapping can = MOT faluire.... Maufacturers spend millions testing , employ the best , and do things for a reason... If your 'MATE' in a small garage tells you they are wrong or knows better then fine.. im not gona argue

i think maps can really help improve cars in some cases . but like i said.... when you change the design of a tested product ...... you MUST question the effects OVER TIME.
If these are not officially tested , why should a car be legal?

thats my view and guess it comes from being a software tester

Psycho Warren

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you forget there is a whole subsection of the car industry that doesnt have the same tests etc and its called kit cars so they have a super MoT called the iVA. Most of the parts used are from mainstream cars and being used not as originally designed so under your arguements should never be legal, but the IVA shows they meet basic safety standards and thats what is important obviously. If full EU type approval was the be all and end all for safety then the kit car industry would be shut down.....

so already your arguement is flawed when you dont legally need type approval for one group of cars (even new ones) and yet you claiming you should do for another???

DanW@FastFord

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Yes. The 90, 115, and 130 bhp Mondeos all share the same engines, tyres, bodyshell, interiors and brakes. They are identical apart from a few engine components (injectors, turbo, map).

So by your rationning would it be ok to 'tweak' a 90ps Mondeo up to 130ps?

Would it be more 'illegal' to take a 130PS Mondeo up to 150ps, than it would be to take a 90 to 130? If so why?

bonnerworld

idont think anything will come of it regards the mapping, how will they know, roling road every car to get the BHP fit every mot station out with every type f computer ecu reading device and check that the map matched exactly the manufactures specs

and even then, how many cars dont actually have the BHP that the manufactures say, case in point focus ST170 how many of them make 170 ponys on a dyno (how many do with a remap)

also i totally agree with what someone said about cheap/basic cars being involved in more crashes, totally agree, most of the people i know that crash have been in crap cars that have no feel rubbish brakes poor handeling and thats why they crash

rant over (sorry)

zetec-Sam

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iirc just by plugging in a fault reading machine, garages can tell if the ecu's been mapped...

dojj

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other than the st being slightly lower and having a bigger bodykit and a spoiler on the back, everything else is the same

so the kit causes more drag so it can't go as fast in the first place

some lesser spec'd models also share the same engines such as the titanium tdci's, which also have the same kit on them but aren't badged as st's

so your arguement fails there

not sure about other models, but you are talking to a mondeo nerd here who has nerdier nerds to back up his arguements if the need arrises

foreigneRS

Guile1 - you'd better not tow a trailer, you'll never stop

actually you have a point, but it's a theoretical one rather than a practical one

Chip

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Or have a passenger

Guile1

Yea agree its never black or white.
Personally I hate this government and their policies... they have damaged the automotive industry in this country enough and they seem to hell bent on doing more damage..

I hope we never end up with hybrid / electric snot boxes, wired to black boxes watching our every move!!!

Chip

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I am of the opposite opinion, the sooner we are on nuclear power station fuelled electric cars the better, the drop in desire for petrol will bring the prices down potentially and even if it doesnt it will at least mean petrol lasts us longer, and after a week of driving my electric commuter car I can go and do a trackday in my petrol one.

Rod-Tarry

How about no MOT, I can remember it starting . No one gave a monkeys back then . Were we a happier nation, YEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Chip

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Cars were a lot slower and were built differently, wasnt such an issue, there is a lot more to go wrong on a modern car.

Taps

Oh but it was, thats why it was brought in.

foreigneRS

not likely as the supply will go down to match, and as not so much oil will be processed into petrol it will be more costly per unit.

i wonder what would happen to all of those products and materials that are by-products of the refining process.

Chip

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Those products would still be needed so the refining process would still happen, and petrol would be the unwanted by-product that was given away for free hopefully